The Counterpunch Articles: Why I love Transformers Part4: Cybertron

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i have to admit, cybertron was a cool line (and i love metroplex's alt mode lol) it did have the odd stinker, but overall far better than the previous 2, and i was one who loved both armarda and energon

Thanks for pointing out and featuring Mudflap. He's one of my absolute fav's and he really goes unnoticed. He's the ultimate homage to Hotspot and he has awesome alt and robot mode playability.

One wouldn’t know how much I’m kicking my self now for not buying any Cybertron figures for the first year they were out… I liked them, but I was ticked off that it meant the end for Energon, which still remains as my favorite series.

Then came Christmas, my father bought me Armorhide, Overhaul, Scattorshot and Landmine, suddenly I felt this weird combination of regret and joy, thankfully though I was able to get most of the Cybertron figures I wanted most and recently Metroplex and Primus.

Cybertron also gave us the first Soundwave since G1, not to mention the Scarpmetals who were references to G1 Rumble and Frenzy.

Well I more or less missed Cybertron, for the same reasons I missed Energon and Armada, I just collecting during those years for reasons that escape me. However, I have had the opportunity to get my hands on some of the Cybertron repaints that have been popping up in the Movie line and they are some of my favorite pieces in my collection. Since I started coming to TF fan boards since the past summer I have always heard people talking down about Mudflap, and I was confused why after I took a look at his gallery. As soon as I saw him I wanted him, and that can be said for alot of the toys from this line. Makes me wish I had a time machine...

Oh well, I'm hoping to get to the Toronto TF con this June, so maybe I can find some cool Cybertron, Energon and Armada toys at the vendors table there and experience the fun alot of you other guys have had with these three lines.

Ahh yes Cybertron.. So many good figures so little cash.


I must agree that Cybertron had something for everybody, however the particular figures you chose, bar Metroplex which is one of my favorites from that line, did not really get my attention. I regret now not picking up Scourge or Cryo Scourge for that matter. But at first he really did not appeal to me. now I'm starting to warm up him. As for the rest, I never really liked Mudflap still really don't. Not sure what it is.

Cannonball repaint of Red Alert, not a bad figure but definitely not worth a second purchase.

Ransack there is just something about Motorcycle TF's i just can;t handle.

Anyway Cybertron gave us such gems as Downshift, Dark Skorponok, Scout Scattershot, Hot Shot Repaint Excellion. But then there were failures, although quite scarce compared to other lines. However scarce they were they were also monumental. Cybertron Thundercracker/Skywarp: just the big honking unsightly blaster arm was enough to deter most people from buying it. But since I needed a Skywarp and at that time, Classics hadn't even begun to rear its prototype face yet.


Still if Cybertron is remembered for anything its for bringing us a big honking Starscrea ... Wait no that's not it. Ahh yes: Bringing us the home planet of the Transformers itself, and God of all transformers: Lord Primus. Not many transformers can come close to the wonder that is Primus. Full of detail, with acceptable articulation. He is a Sold piece unlike Unicron (not that hes a bad figure).

The only other mistake I would really hold against Hasbro in this line would have to be the Starscream Issue. Why o why did they think a Supreme class Starscream should preclude the individual release of a Voyager sized figure. Instead we got a Target Exclusive packaged deal in Thrust colors. And while the scheme is pretty good, the release was extremely difficult to come by, and you would have to buy Vector Prime to get it. Still a Mystery to me.

I just hope Hasbro decides to re-release that mold for Universe in some way. But I guess the Botcon exclusive Heroic Starscream kind of puts a dent in that idea.

Cybertron defense Team anyone? Gotta love bots with a lot of ifrepower, and Scattershot was such an upgrade from his original form...so cool!

Oh, and don't forget Excellion, best Hot Rod, I mean Hot Shot, I mean Hot Shot repaint ever...

The show didn't do much for me, but the toys sure did.

Oh and how about the return of Soundwave in a form meaningful today, and yet, reminiscent enough of his G1 self. The cartoon even tried to give him a funny voice similar to his G1 self.

Then there was a beastie of pure love, well artiulcated, nice weapon, good alt.-- Snarl to you and me, Wolfang elsewhere.

Oh and I know it wasn't in the US, but black repaints!!!!!!!!! Gotta love it!

And then of course, you have you homage to RID Prime, and Star Convoy in Optimus Prime.

And Unicron as a tank... what else could anyone want??? :???:

Yeah and my version of cannonball was really rare in that the green paint glowed in the dark for some reason.

[quote="Counterpunch":3f57x4tb]but what I really do think is fun about Cybertron is the near universal acceptance we grant to it.[/quote:3f57x4tb]
I think you hit the nail on the head there. The Cybertron line, I think, was the epitome of what the Transformer universe should be in terms of robot and alt mode aesthetics; not to mention the diversity of the toys (vehicle, city, and beast modes), as you described.

[color=#FF0000:168elusr]I cannot, and will not agree with people's love of Metroplex. That toy is NOT worth the rrp, and frankly, isnt worth the rrp of a deluxe (especilly concidering UK prices). I have never liked this toy from the moment I saw it's first photos. But I thought, 'why not? Every time I've disliked the photos of a cybertron toy, then bought it, I've loved it, I'll buy him too.'

Well, I was really disapointed. Yes, he's articulated, he really really is, but that dosnt stop me disliking him intensly.

Anyway, now I've gotten that rant out of the way, I wholeheartedly agree with everythign else that was said in this artical.

As far as I am concerned, [b:168elusr]Cybertron is THE best transformer line there has ever been[/b:168elusr], and quite frankly, as much as I love everything I've seen of Animated (and I really do), I cant see that line changing that statment.

I mean, (andI dotn think this was picked up enough in the artical) the detailing. In no other previous line, had so much detailing been included on every figure. Whereas in previous lines ther would have been large holes and/or blank bits of boring plastic, here there was nearly always molded detail that looked stunning and really made the robot modes look solid. Fine example, the voyager Starscream mold, there is a peice of fantastic detailing on a peice of plastic you only ever see [b:168elusr]during the transformation process[/b:168elusr]. Can you imagine, even 4 or 5 years ago, a transformer having THAT MUCH DETAIL? Hell, MP Prime dosnt have that kinda detailing.[/color:168elusr]

Yeah, Cybertron was I great line. I still think it could have done without the whole Cyber Key thing though. And one of the reasons why it was so great is because it had so many great homages. It had even more than Classics. Let's list them shall we?

Pipes(Armorhide)
Blurr
Kupp(Brakedown GTS)
Buzzsaw
Cyrotech(Cryo Scourge)
Black Zarak(Dark Scorponok)
Wheeljack(Downshift)
Hot Rod(Excellion)
Hot Spot(Mudflap)
Star Convoy/PM Prime/RiD Prime(Optimus Prime)
G1 Megatron(Galvatron)
Leobreaker(Lio Convoy)
Longrack
Soundwave
Lazerbeak
Soundblaster
Buzzsaw
BW Megatron(Beast Megatron)
BW Primal(Beast Optimus)
Metroplex
Ravage/Nemesis Prime(Nemesis Breaker)
Elita-1(Override)
Primus
Ramjet
Thrust
Sunstorm
Repugnus
Runamuck
Rumble(Red Scrapmetal)
Frenzy(Blue Ramble)
Skywarp
Smokescreen
Wolfang/BW Silverbolt/BM Jetstorm(Snarl)
Pre-G1/WW/Coronation Starscream
Swerve
Swindle
Unicorn

I think that's everyone. That's 40+ homages. Twice as much as Classics. A line that was completely dedicated to homages. And there are more less ovious homages.

For example, I consider GF Prime to the closest thing to a Guiltor release we'll probably ever see. Even though he's not red, blue, and grey, the black and red color scheme is quite menasing. And seperates him from simply being another Nemesis Prime. And I like to think of the planet symbols on his shoulders as planets he's destroyed. Like how fighter pilots put a mark on their jet for every enemy they've killed. Then there's the alt mode. Similar, though he has 2 cannons instead of 1. He's even got a jet mode, so there's a little bit of Starsceams influence there.

Three cheers for Cybertron! :APPLAUSE:

Loved Primus, Galaxy Force Starscream, Optimus Prime, Scourge, and all the cool Botcon repaints that came out of the line.

Metroplex, Menasor, Quickmix, Red Alert, Cannonball, are not stand-outs for me (I still like Cannonball's backstory), although I own them too.

To date, the only actual Leader class figure I have purchased was Cybertron Prime (in the 2-pack with Wing Saber), though I may get Premium Movie Prime.

Cybertron came out about the time I really got fully back into collecting, but it was coming to an end by the time I reached my "Ohh, that's cool! Gotta have it!" stage. I regret now missing out on a ton of Deluxes from the line, and only recently got my hands on the best Chopper ever, Evac.

Cybertron gave us some new alt modes, as well, ones that either never existed before in the actual TF line (like the submarine minicon), or we had only seen as Micromasters (Downshift's muscle car mode). While it was rather contrived to have five planets colonized all tending towards a single alt-mode style, it gave an excuse to make nearly any alt mode you could imagine. You had Earth for the Realism fans (and they, themselves, had four of the best figures of the line - Evac, Downshift, Armorhide, and Mudflap), Cyberton for the sci-fi fans, Speedia (?) for the car fans, the beast planet for BW / BM fans, and the Giant Planet for Big Bots.

It also gave us the wonder of the original batch of Legends figures. Far more articulated and true to their 'bigger cousins' than the Movie legends, they made me go "Wow!" in a way few others of their size have. And since I could snag one with pocket change (they were cheaper than even the 2-packs of minicon repaints released later), I rapidly got several of them.

There were only a very few flubs IMHO in the entire line. While beastformers aren't really my taste (too many are of the "Stand up, flip head down, put tail in hand as sword" type), Backstop really should have been named "Doorstop", because he's about that useful. Scout sized Scattorshot really disapponted me with his lack of articulation as well, but he wasn't as bad. And whoever thought of turning Nitro Convoy into a transgendered robot for the US Show should be chained to a desk writing "Robots do not need gender" a thousand times.

I honestly believe that the Classics would not have been as awesome as they were had the designers not had the experience of Cybertron.

Another great article! :APPLAUSE:

I agree that Cybertron is one of the best lines we fans have ever been graced with, if not better than Energon, at least as damn good as.

I too share the love for Mudflap. As I was considering thinning down my collection today, I just couldn't bear the thought of letting him go.

Armorhide is simply my favorite figure from Cybertron. It's also about the only figure from Cybertron I have, as I just wasn't a fan of the molds. Yet, after getting Movie Hardtop, (in turn a redeco of Swindle I think), I have to say that the Cybertron Scout class just had some bitchin' posability.

Otherwise, I missed out on a few good ones. I'd still kill to have the Lucky Draw Sky-Lynx Redeco of Scourge.

I have to admit, I really like how you all as the readers of these contribute with details that would have otherwise made the article unreadable.

It's cool to see/hear some of the things I would have liked to have said but couldn't due to space restrictions.

I find that my tastes run differently than many fans, probably due to the difference in age group. I love the Cybertron toys and Metroplex is one of my favorites. It is his blockiness that I love as well as how he clicks when you transform him. I love robots that click loudly. Metroplex is one of the few than haven't gone into storage at my house. The only negative about him is that his weapon does not attach well in alt mode. Cannonball is another one of my favorites, not because I like the mold, but because of his redeco. Many Cybertron toys appeal to me and I have quite a few, but have never seen the Cybertron cartoons.

Cybertron was the last [i:3eho4zlu]Great[/i:3eho4zlu] toy line. Classics was awefully good, but in a different league.

Not only did the Cybertron line have somthing for everyone, they had somthing for everyone's buget. Depending on the paycheck we had, if I am not mistaken, 7 size classes to choose from. The brand new Legends class, Scout class, Deluxe class, Voyager class, Ultra class, Leader class, and finally Supreme class. This line brought with it( as far as we know) the death of the supreme class. I highly doubt we will see one for a [i:3eho4zlu]very, very , very[/i:3eho4zlu] long time if ever which is too bad. Dispite thier heftey price tags, I always enjoyed the supreme class stuff.

Cybertron is/was the best toyline in Transformers history. I wonder almost if the Animated line came before the movie stuff if it would be recieved better by some fans. Animated in many ways is just the next step in the evolution from Cybertron, and if it weren't for peoples' disappointment/elation over the movie toys, perhaps we'd have less moping about Animated.

Anyway, Cybertron was so great, that even if the movie toys were any good the line [i:1jiesdb5]still[/i:1jiesdb5] would have been a letdown.

That mining thing is friggin scary.



The only thing that ruined this line for me is not having enough money :(

I miss the supreme class, my SS is great, i love him to bits. As for blockyness, thats what i love too. Im a G1 addict so i love the more blocky bots, which is why i think rescue ratchet is by far the best movie toy, and the good thing about cybertron was they were all bulky toys that looked like big war fighting machines!!!


btw MB, just noticed the sig quote, Tek will be honoured

I have admit the Cybertron line is great! I do enjoy the different directions they went with as far as all the transformations. I really didn't care for the cyber keys at first either, but it's not like that gimmick wasn't a transformed version of the little energon peices from the Energon line. Only differnce is thay actually do something now! I just wish I got into the toy line when it was on the shelves. After draining my funds heavily into Reissues, Alternators, and almost nearly every Energon figure; I had to take a break.

[quote="Pottermus_Prime":2d2xhbht]I miss the supreme class, my SS is great, i love him to bits. As for blockyness, thats what i love too. Im a G1 addict so i love the more blocky bots, which is why i think rescue ratchet is by far the best movie toy, and the good thing about cybertron was they were all bulky toys that looked like big war fighting machines!!!


btw MB, just noticed the sig quote, Tek will be honoured[/quote:2d2xhbht]


Funniest thing I'd read all day :P


Distribution was much improved for this line, even over here in GB.
While Armada was relatively easy to find (due to its low numbers of character figures; stores often became full of figures that everbody already had), and Energon was rather difficult, Cybertron seemed to have a very even spread. Nearly all of the figures were available at any good toy store, and had at least 2,3 or 4 of each figure on the shelves.



I miss the days of Cybertron. That was the time when transformers inhabited two isles at TRU. Now they just inhabit half of one.
We do still get the cheesy tf music playing in the isle though, I suppose :P

[quote="Dagon":kycfiw82]Cybertron is/was the best toyline in Transformers history. I wonder almost if the Animated line came before the movie stuff if it would be recieved better by some fans. Animated in many ways is just the next step in the evolution from Cybertron, and if it weren't for peoples' disappointment/elation over the movie toys, perhaps we'd have less moping about Animated.

Anyway, Cybertron was so great, that even if the movie toys were any good the line [i:kycfiw82]still[/i:kycfiw82] would have been a letdown.[/quote:kycfiw82]
I’d still hate animated all the same no matter when they made it.

Sorry to say it, but Animated just isn’t my cup of tea and the movie has nothing to do with it. I think the reason I hate animated so much is because the designs commonly differ so much from what I like and what I like is stuff more along the lines of Energon.

When I got heavy on collecting Transformers I didn’t get into them because they looked like Jay Leno, I got into them because I was familiar with the way they looked, they reminded me of mech like Gao Gai Gar and some other Japanese robots that I like quite well.

Basically, Animated is not what I like about Transformers and not how I think they should look.

[quote="Nekoman":11yie3lx][quote="Dagon":11yie3lx]Cybertron is/was the best toyline in Transformers history. I wonder almost if the Animated line came before the movie stuff if it would be recieved better by some fans. Animated in many ways is just the next step in the evolution from Cybertron, and if it weren't for peoples' disappointment/elation over the movie toys, perhaps we'd have less moping about Animated.

Anyway, Cybertron was so great, that even if the movie toys were any good the line [i:11yie3lx]still[/i:11yie3lx] would have been a letdown.[/quote:11yie3lx]
I’d still hate animated all the same no matter when they made it.

Sorry to say it, but Animated just isn’t my cup of tea and the movie has nothing to do with it. I think the reason I hate animated so much is because the designs commonly differ so much from what I like and what I like is stuff more along the lines of Energon.

When I got heavy on collecting Transformers I didn’t get into them because they looked like Jay Leno, I got into them because I was familiar with the way they looked, they reminded me of mech like Gao Gai Gar and some other Japanese robots that I like quite well.

Basically, Animated is not what I like about Transformers and not how I think they should look.[/quote:11yie3lx]


Right on man, I'm just postulating. It seems to me that Animated furthers the cartoonish nature of some of the Cybertron ideas, and was just thinking that maybe if we weren't given 'hyper realistic' movie figures before the more and more cartoonish Animated ones, maybe some people would have different opinions or the general opinion may be different. I don't know, people like what they like and don't like what they don't like, and I'm not even trying to say everyone would like Animated more if it came before the movie toys.

Personally, most people's complaints about the Animated toys are how I feel about the movie toys. Sure they're different, and sure, we should certainly give different a try. But that doesnt mean I have to love it. Sure, movie toy alt modes are 'ultra super realistic', but robot modes look like crap. If movie figures are so amazingly detailed, why can't I discern a face on Ironhide? If I wanted extra real vehicles, I'd build models or collect die cast cars or something.

I wasn't like, trying to change minds or anything, just pointing out that if it weren't for Animated---the most stylized TF line--- following the movie line---(arguably) the most realistic TF line---, opinions may not be so divided. As much controversy as the movie designs sparked around here, before the movie came out and suddenly everyone was an expert about Transformers, I don't remember it being half as heated as the uproar/division that Animated is causing. Just tossin' in my idea.

i bought a few cybertron toys, i thought they were ok but then grew to dislike the ones i had for some reason, or at the least i sold them to make room for toys i liked more. mudflap was one i didnt get but hes probably my favourite in hindsight (can those arm weapons be removed?) i never likes his over long chaplin feet though!

the firts one i got was red alert as he had a lot of g1 blockiness but he ended up a mould i just couldnt stand, funny how that happens. as of now i have no cybertron toys.

Sadly, by the time I grew out of G1-only and started appreciating the newer stuff, Cybertron was off the shelves :\

Ah well, hopefully another homage-filled plentiful bounty of a series will come out int he next couple years.

why do people dis armada it was the best out of any series for me, but thats just me. while on subject transformers cybertron relistic modes .nope!. no way at all. crosswise he aint real. what crazy car company would think of that the germans (bugatti (veyron) hot shot and his swat tank, they could use them in kent with the riot patrol. red alert now he is real im dying to get him aswell. but cybertron dosnt have a big robot that can turn into a ship, it dosnt have a giant 4x4 ambulance with a little black crane and it dosnt have a white and red jet with a small f1 minicon dont they? anyone get what i mean? and prime then did have a better powerlink(x)

[quote="Sgt. Grumbles":1e10rrao]Sadly, by the time I grew out of G1-only and started appreciating the newer stuff, Cybertron was off the shelves :\

Ah well, hopefully another homage-filled plentiful bounty of a series will come out int he next couple years.[/quote:1e10rrao]

Welcome to the boards homie!

[quote="Sgt. Grumbles":a76g99wp]Sadly, by the time I grew out of G1-only and started appreciating the newer stuff, Cybertron was off the shelves :\

Ah well, hopefully another homage-filled plentiful bounty of a series will come out int he next couple years.[/quote:a76g99wp]

Well, I don't know about "homage-filled", but there are some nicely updated G1 figures coming out in Transformers: Universe this year such as Sunstreaker, Silverbolt, Octane (Tankor), Powerglide, and Onslaught. :wink:

Love the focus on the 5 figures there CP, Mudflap is overlooked far too often.

But no mention of Shortround's toilet mode? I am disappointed!

Still, Backstop and Thundercracker deserve far more love than they are given, and Snarl is always overlooked as well.

[quote="UltraPrimal":2h67ovr9]For example, I consider GF Prime to the closest thing to a Guiltor release we'll probably ever see. Even though he's not red, blue, and grey, the black and red color scheme is quite menasing. And seperates him from simply being another Nemesis Prime. And I like to think of the planet symbols on his shoulders as planets he's destroyed. Like how fighter pilots put a mark on their jet for every enemy they've killed. Then there's the alt mode. Similar, though he has 2 cannons instead of 1. He's even got a jet mode, so there's a little bit of Starsceams influence there.[/quote:2h67ovr9]

Yes! Completely agree, even though I don't have the mold, it is pretty close judging from pics. Now if it had been released as a Decepticon, there would be even more closeness.

As for Cybertron itself, didn't pick too much of it up. No job at the time(I now finally have one), and other things seemed to take priority then. Still, most of what I did pick up I enjoyed, and was fortuneate to find good old Primus on clearance. The one figure I didn't like was Thundercracker. Oh, it wasn't the loose arms or anything, it was the fact that it broke unrepairably at the shoulders after about two weeks with minimal and pretty careful handling. I'm still bummed at that....

But if there are two figures I'm so glad I picked up(once again, clearance....I'm cheap), it's Jungle Planet Optimus Primal and Megatron. First of all, I love both molds, and I love the detail on them. I also love the neat new colors chemes on them, they aren't "show accurate"(I know they released ones that were), but they look great all the same. I also like the smaller deluxe size.

I have to say that the Cybertron line is a fantastic line, and gave us some excellent toys. Mudflap is a cool figure, I was lucky to find him on clearance for $10 at my local Walmart, and I think his robot mode is great. I like the Cybertron Defense team, and we were able to get two(well...four) of the coolest transformers ever made, Leader Galvatron with Nemesis Breaker in Dark Claw mode, and Optimus Prime and Wingsaber in Sonic Wing mode. Sonic Wing OP/Wingsaber is, in my opinion, the coolest looking and best transformer ever made(except maybe MP Starscream). OP with swords, a big gold chestplate with the raised Autobot symbol, big guns over his shoulders, and Wingsaber as a backpack to fold up and do more damage? Solid. This line really shined in the deluxe class figures, with Downshift, Excellion, Hot Shot, and Landmine being some of the best. Ransack is a very good 'bot, but the Japanese TRU Police Gasket repaint is even better than the GTS repaint.

[quote="i_amtrunks":26zibdhc]
But no mention of Shortround's toilet mode? I am disappointed! [/quote:26zibdhc]

YES! No other line gave us both a toilet (Shortround) and a chair! (Jetfire)

I love Cybertron. Best toyline ever, to me.

[quote="Dealer":1obd2ntd][quote="Pottermus_Prime":1obd2ntd]I miss the supreme class, my SS is great, i love him to bits. As for blockyness, thats what i love too. Im a G1 addict so i love the more blocky bots, which is why i think rescue ratchet is by far the best movie toy, and the good thing about cybertron was they were all bulky toys that looked like big war fighting machines!!!


btw MB, just noticed the sig quote, Tek will be honoured[/quote:1obd2ntd]


Funniest thing I'd read all day :P


Distribution was much improved for this line, even over here in GB.
While Armada was relatively easy to find (due to its low numbers of character figures; stores often became full of figures that everbody already had), and Energon was rather difficult, Cybertron seemed to have a very even spread. Nearly all of the figures were available at any good toy store, and had at least 2,3 or 4 of each figure on the shelves.



I miss the days of Cybertron. That was the time when transformers inhabited two isles at TRU. Now they just inhabit half of one.
We do still get the cheesy tf music playing in the isle though, I suppose :P[/quote:1obd2ntd]


dude, go to tru now, they aint had it on in ages lol

Gotta agree, Cybertron was a great line!

I was just getting back into TFs around then with the Alts.

I had been collecting Marvel Legends for some time, so I was aware of the TF stuff that was available, but I had not been watching the shows so I was able to keep my wallet from that particular vacuum :D

Well, once the Classics hit, I ended up going back and getting quite a bit of the Cybertron line to "flesh out" the ranks of my Classics, and I'm glad I did!

Cyb Prime stands proudly behind my Classics prime as "Classics" Star Convoy.

But the Cybertron Defense force holds a pretty special place too, heading up my war bots.

There's just so much great stuff, that no matter what or how you collect TFs there is something to enjoy in the Cybertron line.

I totally agree. Cybertron was the best of the Unicron trilogy.

Great Article... I didn't mind Cybertron.. good to see Blurr again.

Cybertron was by far the best line of the trilogy. I am proud to say I have every figure including a few store exclusives. The episode that featured the death of Vector Prime was everything that "Code of Hero" wasn't. Sure the figures had a few issues here and there, but tell me you didn't run to your computer and enter the cyber key code when you bought a new figure.