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Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime

Transformers News: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime

Saturday, May 19th, 2012 11:34AM CDT

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Takara Tomy have revealed their Transformers exclusives for the 2012 International Tokyo Toy Show, which takes place June 14th through June 17th, 2012. The exclusives will be a translucent Transformers Prime "First Edition" Voyager Class Optimus Prime and a black Transformers United Voyager Optimus Prime. Each exclusive figure is priced at 5000 Yen and limited to two per attendee.

More information from Takara Tomy about this event can be found by clicking on the images below or by clicking here.

http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/event/eventlist2/toyshow12.html

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Further information about the International Tokyo Toy Show, which takes place June 14th through June 17th, 2012, can be found by clicking on the image below or by clicking here.

http://www.toys.or.jp/toyshow/index_en.html

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Credit(s): Takara Tomy
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Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381244)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 19th, 2012 @ 11:41am CDT
Awesome, took em long enough to bring that sexy black beauty out on the market. =P~
Oh and it's a Decepticon, so it's not exactly the same as the original intent but still awesome!

Oh and the Clear FE Prime's nice too. >:oP
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381246)
Posted by RhA on May 19th, 2012 @ 11:47am CDT
JAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381249)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on May 19th, 2012 @ 11:53am CDT
8-} Sorry if this seems stupid to ask but might these be sold as a set like "Sons of Cybertron" or individually? I would so buy the set and sell off the clear OP no problem! ;)^ :VEHI:
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381254)
Posted by MightyMagnus78 on May 19th, 2012 @ 12:08pm CDT
I believe the answer you are looking for is AWESOME!
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381261)
Posted by Che on May 19th, 2012 @ 12:30pm CDT
So, everybody complained that FE Optimus was substituted by RID Optimus, one of the reasons being the use of translucent plastic in RID's arms. As a result, HasTak has decided to bring back FE Optimus... with its whole freaking body made of translucent plastic?!?!

Man... two possibilities: either they are illogical or deaf :lol: 8)
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381266)
Posted by Mkall on May 19th, 2012 @ 1:01pm CDT
I'll take a Black Prime please.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381267)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on May 19th, 2012 @ 1:08pm CDT
So the Classics Optimus mold is not as unusable as previously thought and blows the SDCC one out of the water.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381274)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on May 19th, 2012 @ 1:26pm CDT
LOST Cybertronian wrote:So the Classics Optimus mold is not as unusable as previously thought and blows the SDCC one out of the water.


I'd still take a Universe 2008 Nemesis Prime, as he's a proper clone. The fad in Japan now seems to be making black Primes "Darksides", or the dark side of Optimus' character.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381278)
Posted by WolfDawg on May 19th, 2012 @ 1:42pm CDT
Both look nice, but I'm not sure if I want that United Black Prime... It just seems kind of pointless since there's already the KO version (which is way cheaper and seems just as nice) and the SDCC version which has been out for years. I guess I'm just disappointed because I really expected to see a black repaint of the FE Prime mold. The Translucent one is nice, but black is always better.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381301)
Posted by Vicalliose on May 19th, 2012 @ 2:57pm CDT
A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'd still take a Universe 2008 Nemesis Prime, as he's a proper clone. The fad in Japan now seems to be making black Primes "Darksides", or the dark side of Optimus' character.
Well yeah, the idea is that it's supposed to be a BAD GUY clone. I don't see what you're getting at here calling this a FAD either, since it's been the idea since Scourge/Black Convoy. While I realize the black repaint of G1 prime exists, I hardly find it iconic. But to each their own I guess.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381307)
Posted by Poyguimogul on May 19th, 2012 @ 3:08pm CDT
Didn't bite on this black prime before, probably won't now.
Wish they had still made the Blue Henkei Bumblebee :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381310)
Posted by Heavy B on May 19th, 2012 @ 3:18pm CDT
This may be a tad off topic, but DAMNIT HASBRO, GIVE US THE FIRST EDITIONS
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381316)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 3:36pm CDT
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381317)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 19th, 2012 @ 3:42pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381319)
Posted by Vicalliose on May 19th, 2012 @ 3:46pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

Read that again. I was referring to the Classics Optimus Prime mold not FE. I'm pretty certain Hasbro said the molds were broken.

That said, this looks exactly like the canceled Black Convoy from a while back, they may have just been sitting in storage as opposed to being fresh from the factory.

Edit: Didn't see your post there Dead Metal.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381320)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 3:54pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.


I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381322)
Posted by Vicalliose on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:02pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).
It was quite a while back. I'll never be able to find the news post where it was mentioned. But I remember this to be the case. That's why we ended up with this.
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Same goes for this just being an old cancelled Scourge/Black Convoy repaint, there's no record of it on TFwiki but it definitely happened. I believe it was Wonderfest Black Convoy.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381324)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:04pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.


I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).


The mold started showing its age around SDCC Nemesis Prime and BotCon 2008, I read about alignment problems here and there with those two toys.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381326)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:13pm CDT
Vicalliose wrote:
Seibertron wrote:I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).
It was quite a while back. I'll never be able to find the news post where it was mentioned. But I remember this to be the case. That's why we ended up with this.
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Same goes for this just being an old cancelled Scourge/Black Convoy repaint, there's no record of it on TFwiki but it definitely happened. I believe it was Wonderfest Black Convoy.


Sounds like theories, not facts. I had assumed that the "deluxe" version of Optimus Prime was used because it hadn't come out in Japan so Takara Tomy decided to use it in the "Sons of Cybertron" set and in the United line. They later released the deluxe Megatron in the United line as well so it seems only natural that the deluxe Optimus Prime was released for the same reasons that they decided to use the deluxe Megatron mold.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381327)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:14pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.


I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).


The mold started showing its age around SDCC Nemesis Prime and BotCon 2008, I read about alignment problems here and there with those two toys.


Don't have any problems with either of mine. This all sounds like fan assumptions that fans have said so many times that they consider it to be fact. Happens a lot in this fandom.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381330)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:19pm CDT
Perhaps this is the source of this rumor/assumption:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mold

TFwiki.net wrote:Molds that seem to be on their way out include:
The Alternators Subaru Impreza mold in its various incarnations started to show major signs of deterioration with Binaltech Asterisk Alert.
The Generation 1 Combaticons.
The Generation 1 Seacons are considered by many to have been beyond this point already when the Transformers Collectors' Club released the Timelines versions.
The Generation 2 Cyberjets.
Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime.
Classics Voyager Optimus Prime.
Classics Starscream.
Movie Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee.


"Molds that seem to be on their way out include"

This appears to be the author's opinion, not a statement of fact. Molds could always be repaired, modified, fixed, etc. Wouldn't be the first time that this has happened, or that a toy seems loose, but then later something is adjustment with the mold and future uses seem better or "fixed".
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381336)
Posted by Vicalliose on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:27pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Sounds like theories, not facts. I had assumed that the "deluxe" version of Optimus Prime was used because it hadn't come out in Japan so Takara Tomy decided to use it in the "Sons of Cybertron" set and in the United line. They later released the deluxe Megatron in the United line as well so it seems only natural that the deluxe Optimus Prime was released for the same reasons that they decided to use the deluxe Megatron mold.
Not just theory in my mind. As I said, whether or not that was the reason the deluxe mold was released I could SWEAR a Hasbro rep stated the mold had suffered too much degradation to be used again, though I could easily be wrong, my memory fools me some times.

But, yes the mold was showing a good amount of age, whether officially stated or not it's not hard to come to this conclusion. Heck my Ultra Magnus is close to having his windows fall off and I had it for a shorter time than my Classics Prime, I imagine it could only get worse from there.

I cannot find any pictures of the original Wonderfest Convoy anywhere, only the KO of it. But if the KO is meant to be a close duplicate then it should actually have Autobot symbols and slightly different paint all around. Still, the plastic colors are no different. Or maybe they just fixed it... :???:
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381337)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:34pm CDT
Thing is, we won't know how good this thing is till we have it in hand, it could end up like Henkei Thundercracker which was the last toy made from the 2.nd (the improved) Classics Starscream mold, the one that was first used for Hasbro's Classics Skywarp.

So it could very well be completely f**ked, wasn't that also the reason Takara gave why the figure was originally cancelled, due to the mold being too far deteriorated?

There also was a Henkei Convoy re-release, and a Hasbro re-release in the form of the Classics Optimus Prime/ Magnus two-pack.
Oh and Lucky Draw Convoy, but nobody knows how many of those actually exist or what the quality on them is like, due to the two different KOs that came out of it at the exact same time.


Oh and the author of the tfwiki article who put that there was me, after hearing all the complaints of SDCC and BotCon SG Prime, and well my own personal experience with SDCC Prime, which I had to take apart to cut off all the deformed plastic in the joints, well except for a few misalignments that are beyond my abilities. I put it under "seem to be on their way out" due to it being unconfirmed. That was one of the last edits I did on there before stopping with wiki work, I completely forgot about it to be honest.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381339)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:39pm CDT
Vicalliose wrote:Not just theory in my mind. As I said, whether or not that was the reason the deluxe mold was released I could SWEAR a Hasbro rep stated the mold had suffered too much degradation to be used again, though I could easily be wrong, my memory fools me some times.


Happy to accept any of this as fact if anyone can find via Google searches people talking about Hasbro or Takara Tomy employees stating something to this effect at some point. This isn't the first time that I've heard this, it's just no one can seem to point me in the direction of where it originally came from. I can back track via Google to find where people were complaining about minor issues with some of their toys from this mold, and people making statements that they think the mold is degrading, but from what I've been able to find no one seems to make a statement that anyone from those companies made a statement at some point. Just lots of fans turning assumptions into fan-facts.

Vicalliose wrote:But, yes the mold was showing a good amount of age, whether officially stated or not it's not hard to come to this conclusion. Heck my Ultra Magnus is close to having his windows fall off.


Sounds like a problem with your particular Ultra Magnus, as that was the first reuse of the mold and came out shortly after the release of Optimus, that there wouldn't have been mold degradation at that point. There are no issues with any of my versions of this toy. They all transform fine, they all line up fine, all four wheels touch the ground in vehicle mold. None of them are loose.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381341)
Posted by kirbenvost on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:42pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:A fully translucent First Edition Prime and a Nemesis Prime release of a mold that is supposed to be lost forever...

I believe we've just been trolled by Has/Tak.


Whoever said anything about the molds being lost forever? You'll get the First Edition toys ... they just won't be in First Edition packaging when those molds come out at retail, kind of like how the First Edition Cliffjumper mold is being used for both Zombie versions, and the FE version of Megatron and the Starscream mold (as Skywarp) was used in the Arms Micron line. I'm sure they'll show up in some form or another in the Transformers Prime toy line at some point.

No, he means the Classics Voyager Prime mold, which was supposed to be lost forever due to mold degradation.


I misread that.

Comment still remains though ... whoever said anything about the Classics Prime mold having mold degradation? Wasn't it only used 6 times? (Classics, Ultra Magnus, SDCC, BotCon, Henkei, and transparent).


The mold started showing its age around SDCC Nemesis Prime and BotCon 2008, I read about alignment problems here and there with those two toys.


Don't have any problems with either of mine. This all sounds like fan assumptions that fans have said so many times that they consider it to be fact. Happens a lot in this fandom.


That's what I've been thinking this entire time in regards to 'mold degradation'. They retooled the Classics seeker mold to fix problems, after all.

As for these releases, I'm never interested in transparent figures, but I've wanted that Black Convoy for a very long time. Unfortunately I no longer have the money to afford expensive Japanese exclusive figures, so I will have to admire it lovingly from afar.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381342)
Posted by Blurrz on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:42pm CDT
Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381343)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:45pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:Oh and the author of the tfwiki article who put that there was me, after hearing all the complaints of SDCC and BotCon SG Prime, and well my own personal experience with SDCC Prime, which I had to take apart to cut off all the deformed plastic in the joints, well except for a few misalignments that are beyond my abilities. I put it under "seem to be on their way out" due to it being unconfirmed. That was one of the last edits I did on there before stopping with wiki work, I completely forgot about it to be honest.


Any chance that some of the products you have or that others have were just imperfect toys? If mine and others are OK, but yours and some other people's aren't, just seems like it's too few examples and that no assumptions should be made.

It's one thing to state your opinion, but it's another thing to make statements of fact out of assumptions.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381344)
Posted by Seibertron on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:45pm CDT
Blurrz wrote:Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....



Do the clear Shadow Microns count?
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381345)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:46pm CDT
Blurrz wrote:Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....

And some made of translucent sparkly pink plastic, Sparkle Sparkle Sparkle!

A few cast in G2 colour schemes, ones done up in the colours of their larger partners.

Ones done in show accurate weapon colours.

And finally G1 targetmaster colour homages.

8-}
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381347)
Posted by Blurrz on May 19th, 2012 @ 4:51pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Blurrz wrote:Just take my money! FE Voyager OP deserves aton of accolades and turning him clear was probably guessable but still great! Now we need some clear microns....



Do the clear Shadow Microns count?


Im still not sure where those four are going! Maybe we'll get a clear black Prime or a clear Megatron
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381351)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 19th, 2012 @ 5:02pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Oh and the author of the tfwiki article who put that there was me, after hearing all the complaints of SDCC and BotCon SG Prime, and well my own personal experience with SDCC Prime, which I had to take apart to cut off all the deformed plastic in the joints, well except for a few misalignments that are beyond my abilities. I put it under "seem to be on their way out" due to it being unconfirmed. That was one of the last edits I did on there before stopping with wiki work, I completely forgot about it to be honest.


Any chance that some of the products you have or that others have were just imperfect toys? If mine and others are OK, but yours and some other people's aren't, just seems like it's too few examples and that no assumptions should be made.

It's one thing to state your opinion, but it's another thing to make statements of fact out of assumptions.

I didn't post it as fact, I posted it as a possibility after people spouted it as fact, since there was a good chance that it was just a few bad ones.

Then Takara cancelled their Black Convoy due to issues with the toy, the people who managed to snag some of the test samples reported the same problems that people had with the botcon release, so we never got confirmation one way or the other.

So the option of, well it might be broken, but it might not sounded like a pretty good place for the figure.

Well, mine was loose, so the possibility of it being just a test shot or one that didn't pass the QC test exists, however the store I bought it from had a boxed set left which he offered to break up to replace mine, after I refused that he stated that he checked that one and it had a few (not all) of the problems that mine had (loose back-kibble, wonky head, loose shoulders and a warped air-vent).

There where loads of posts about SG Prime being bad, too many for me to believe that it was just a few. I mean it was an expensive short run exclusive, BotCon would have removed all the really bad ones and only supplied the best. They wouldn't knowingly sell a crappy figure if they could supply better samples. But seeing how there are so many complaints from people who own him and they all sound a hell of a lot like the complaints people had about the Classics Seeker mold and other toys suffering from mold degradation.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381362)
Posted by Shadowstream on May 19th, 2012 @ 5:21pm CDT
While I'm not sure there are any facts regarding the degradation of the classics prime mold, there are a lot of factors involved that draw people to the conclusion that it's degraded to the point of non-use. I mean even ignoring the numerous reports of Nemesis and SG Prime being wonky, there were reports of the re-issue Henkei Convoy being pretty bad. Add to that the mass number of similar, if not higher quality knock offs of the mold and we start making assumptions.

That said, if the mold can make a comeback I REALLY hope it does! I don't give a s**t what anyone says, as far as I'm concerned the classic voyager leaders are my absolute favorite renditions of Prime and Megatron ever. G1? Masterpiece? Pfff! Kibble forever! :CON:

Additional note: Despite how cool translucent plastic is, I wish they wouldn't use it on the jointed plastic kibble. :BANG_HEAD:
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381364)
Posted by xyl360 on May 19th, 2012 @ 5:29pm CDT
I have 4 Henkei Primes and an Ultra Magnus (no KO's) and they ALL have the same minor alignment issue with the head.

Given that Henkei was one of the first runs of the mold (as was UM), I suspect it's just an issue with the original condition of the mold itself, not degradation. It's just more pronounced/noticable on some copies of the figure vs others.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381365)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 19th, 2012 @ 5:31pm CDT
xyl360 wrote:I have 4 Henkei Primes and an Ultra Magnus (no KO's) and they ALL have the same minor alignment issue with the head.

Given that Henkei was one of the first runs of the mold (as was UM), I suspect it's just an issue with the original condition of the mold itself, not degradation. It's just more pronounced/noticable on some copies of the figure vs others.

Neither my Classics Prime or Ultra Magnus have the head issue though.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381373)
Posted by xyl360 on May 19th, 2012 @ 5:53pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:
xyl360 wrote:I have 4 Henkei Primes and an Ultra Magnus (no KO's) and they ALL have the same minor alignment issue with the head.

Given that Henkei was one of the first runs of the mold (as was UM), I suspect it's just an issue with the original condition of the mold itself, not degradation. It's just more pronounced/noticable on some copies of the figure vs others.

Neither my Classics Prime or Ultra Magnus have the head issue though.

Yet my UM does. I got him in the 2 pack TRU exclusive with Skywarp (Skywarp was the reason I bought him, before I ever heard about City Commander). I believe there was only one run of that set, so if mine has it and yours does not, then that again would indicate that the problem may not be mold degradation (unless it occurred in the middle of the run or something).
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Posted by Sodan-1 on May 19th, 2012 @ 6:57pm CDT
I want that United Black Prime. That's the figure we dhould've got as part of the Universe line. God how I want that. =P~
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381409)
Posted by Kibble on May 19th, 2012 @ 8:10pm CDT
Red tinted windows and black legs look nice. Only question is are they nice enough to upgrade the SDCC NP I already have for lord know how much through the online retailers?
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381430)
Posted by Aluus on May 19th, 2012 @ 9:57pm CDT
I'm the only one who noticed "Prime" was misspelled?
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381434)
Posted by gavinfuzzy on May 19th, 2012 @ 10:05pm CDT
The black prime's not doing anything for me, since I own the SDCC one. Seems nearly Identical, except this one's all black, without the navy blue parts, and has red clear plastic instead of blue.

Might be getting that FE Prime though... Might keep it MISB.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381441)
Posted by DISCHARGE on May 19th, 2012 @ 10:14pm CDT
They are both awesome and wants!
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381448)
Posted by Powered Convoy on May 19th, 2012 @ 10:31pm CDT
Oh My! Wow, never thought they'd do him after all this time.

I have a test shot of the original (way before the KO's were made).

The original is different, using a really nice sparkle blue instead of the normal teal.

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With that said, the Henkei one is SO much prettier than the Hasbro one in person. SO SO much prettier. Obviously people won't agree with me (I'm used to it by now), but I'm telling you, the figure is gorgeous.

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Also looks like he has Decepticons symbols and his grill is chromed this time.

Randy
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381458)
Posted by Heckfire on May 19th, 2012 @ 11:46pm CDT
Sexy, yes, but I'm happy (for now) with my SDCC Nem Prime. I'm more excited to see that there's still an outside chance of a new issue of the Classics Prime mould so I don't have to shell out a hundred buck on ePay for one.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381466)
Posted by Vicalliose on May 20th, 2012 @ 12:28am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Sounds like a problem with your particular Ultra Magnus, as that was the first reuse of the mold and came out shortly after the release of Optimus, that there wouldn't have been mold degradation at that point. There are no issues with any of my versions of this toy. They all transform fine, they all line up fine, all four wheels touch the ground in vehicle mold. None of them are loose.

Well, it could also have something to do with the trailer armor, hard to say. It's not really so much degradation as a design flaw, but it did seem to happen more quickly on him. That said allot of people had different problems with latter uses of the mold anyway. The mold getting fixed is not out of the question though. Hey, maybe they got their hands on some of those KO molds! :lol:

Can't say I'm that enthused about a return of this mold though, the translucent arm panels were a bad idea. I don't exactly play with my Transformers anymore (much) but I do transform them allot when I'm bored and want to change up the shelf a bit, and at this point all but Henkei convoy have cracks in their panels, not to mention how badly chipped Classics Prime got (I was careless back then) seeing as how those panels have to be painted. Yeah I hate translucent plastic.

Bandai translucent plastic is cool though, it has some give to it and won't crack. Dunno if you can paint it though...
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381474)
Posted by xyl360 on May 20th, 2012 @ 1:16am CDT
Yep, the clear plastic worries me a bit too, but it sure looks cool, so I'll most likely bite since I love the FE mold. I'll probably get the black Classics Prime as well if he's available on BBTS. It's hard for me to turn down that mold and it looks quite good in black.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381479)
Posted by Seibertron on May 20th, 2012 @ 1:46am CDT
Curious how much we'll actually end up paying for these. I'm thinking somewhere between $100 to $150 each.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381489)
Posted by Dead Metal on May 20th, 2012 @ 3:44am CDT
Powered Convoy wrote:Oh My! Wow, never thought they'd do him after all this time.

I have a test shot of the original (way before the KO's were made).

The original is different, using a really nice sparkle blue instead of the normal teal.

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With that said, the Henkei one is SO much prettier than the Hasbro one in person. SO SO much prettier. Obviously people won't agree with me (I'm used to it by now), but I'm telling you, the figure is gorgeous.

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Randy

Dude that's awesome, I'm curious does it suffer from problems that are associated with mold degradation or was that just panicked hype from back then? From the pics his head at least looks perfect.
Man, that really is an awesome item to have in one's collection, especially when taking the history behind it in mind.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381617)
Posted by Nemesis Destron on May 20th, 2012 @ 12:59pm CDT
Thanks for the pics Powered Convoy! ;)^ Now I really want this United Prime for sure, I figure he and SDCC NP would be towering minions to 2012 SG Prime...ahhhh yeah! :VEHI:
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1381649)
Posted by Flux Convoy on May 20th, 2012 @ 2:37pm CDT
Finally, Wonderfest Black Convoy! That's pretty rad. I wonder who's gonna offer these. I need a pre-order stat!
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Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1382167)
Posted by Convotron on May 21st, 2012 @ 11:37pm CDT
TFSource and BBTS have opened up pre-orders for these figures.
Re: Tokyo Toy Show 2012 Exclusives: translucent TF Prime FE Optimus + black United Optimus Prime (1382181)
Posted by xyl360 on May 22nd, 2012 @ 12:47am CDT
Convotron wrote:TFSource and BBTS have opened up pre-orders for these figures.

Yep, and BBTS is apparently already sold out. I had to get them off of TFSource (who is pretty far from my first choice of online retailers, I almost decided to just wait till the scalpers put them up on ebay).

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