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Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February

Transformers News: Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February

Tuesday, November 5th, 2013 5:14PM CST

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A news submission by Captain N pointed us in the direction of a new Transformers Prime home video release. This time? Ultimate Bumblebee! Everyone's favorite beep booper steals the spotlight for this special collection available on video in February.

TV Shows On DVD reports the new release here: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Transf ... ebee/19143

Your Favorite Scout Like You've Never Seen Him Before! Join Bumblebee and the rest of the valiant Autobots, led by the legendary Optimus Prime, in this exciting collection of Bumblebee's best moments among The Transformers. Unleashing the antics of everyone's favorite yellow-hued transforming autobot hero, Ultimate Bumblebee is guaranteed to have you on the edge of your seat. And the four episodes, handpicked for this release, will definitely have you understanding why Bumblebee is everyone's favorite lovable little scout. Featuring the voice talents of returning Transformers legends Peter Cullen and Frank Welker alongside a superstar cast including Ernie Hudson (Ghostbusters), Jeffrey Combs (Re-Animator) and Will Friedle (Boy Meets World)!

Shout! Factory has scheduled a February 25th release date for Transformers Prime - Ultimate Bumblebee on DVD. This single-disc title will cost $9.99 SRP! It's not up for pre-order at Amazon just yet, but the studio does have a listing for it at their online store. Here's a button link along with the cover art:


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Re: Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February (1528136)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2013 @ 5:27pm CST
I'm guessing "Operation Bumblebee, Parts 1-2", "Deadlock" (due to Friedle's credit), and either "Sick Mind" or "Out of His Head".

Unless there's some bonus feature worth getting, I don't need this.
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Posted by TK415 on November 5th, 2013 @ 5:51pm CST
Your kidding me, right?

Come to think of it, what we really need is for Bumblebee to have his own on-going comic. Bumblebee should really have his own TV show as well. After that they should make a novel, the Life and Times of Bumblebee. Then Bumblebee the video game. Just the greatness of Bumblebee in every medium possible.
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2013 @ 6:00pm CST
TK415 wrote:Your kidding me, right?

Come to think of it, what we really need is for Bumblebee to have his own on-going comic. Bumblebee should really have his own TV show as well. After that they should make a novel, the Life and Times of Bumblebee. Then Bumblebee the video game. Just the greatness of Bumblebee in every medium possible.
Well, now that he can speak again, he's likable. ;)
Re: Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February (1528140)
Posted by PrymeStriker on November 5th, 2013 @ 6:32pm CST
Interesting how people flip their lids when Bumblebee gets something dedicated to himself, especially in a series when he was a near background character.

I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point.

Ironically, nobody gets tired of those three. :roll:

This DVD doesn't particularly matter to me, but it's nice to see Prime Bumblebee get some more recognition after Predacons Rising I suppose.
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Posted by Shockwave7 on November 5th, 2013 @ 6:49pm CST
If, by saying 'see Bumblebee as you've NEVER seen him before' they mean, 'see Bumblebee in tired re-runs that you've already seen a million times', then yeah. This lame repaint of a DVD will totally feature Bumblebee 'as we've never seen him before'.

Just what we needed - MORE Bumblebee. /sarcasm

Sorry to sound bitter - but I don't see why Hasbro thinks they have to cancel Transformers TV shows (even GOOD ones) just to clear toy shelves for whatever festering, worm-filled log Michael Bay intends to grunt out of his backside and call 'Transformers 4'.
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Posted by Kaizen on November 5th, 2013 @ 6:52pm CST
I always thought it was a bit silly to sell mini-volumes of episodes. Especially when they're all on netflix and (eventually) DVD anyway!

In any case, I think its pretty awesome Bumblebee is in the spotlight. Maybe the series that's supposed to be a follow up to Prime will have Bumblebee as the main character...?
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Posted by Venowtron on November 5th, 2013 @ 6:59pm CST
"handpicked episodes"

well that just saved me 10$
Re: Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February (1528146)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2013 @ 7:02pm CST
Shockwave7 wrote:Sorry to sound bitter - but I don't see why Hasbro thinks they have to cancel Transformers TV shows (even GOOD ones) just to clear toy shelves for whatever festering, worm-filled log Michael Bay intends to grunt out of his backside and call 'Transformers 4'.
What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?
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Posted by Shadowman on November 5th, 2013 @ 8:29pm CST
PrymeStriker wrote:Interesting how people flip their lids when Bumblebee gets something dedicated to himself, especially in a series when he was a near background character.

I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point.

Ironically, nobody gets tired of those three. :roll:

This DVD doesn't particularly matter to me, but it's nice to see Prime Bumblebee get some more recognition after Predacons Rising I suppose.


The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.
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Posted by Shockwave7 on November 5th, 2013 @ 8:31pm CST
What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?


Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.
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Posted by SlyTF1 on November 5th, 2013 @ 9:12pm CST
Shockwave7 wrote:
What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?


Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.


I'm sure TFA was cancelled before ROTF.
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2013 @ 9:28pm CST
Shock[/quote]wave7 wrote:Why are they ending TF prime?
Because they wanted to end on 65 episodes since before the show was created, they used up all of their story material, they felt the way they ended it was satisfactory enough, they were done making it, they didn't want the show to stagnate, they want to do something else now, etc. etc.

Shockwave7 wrote:This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons.
Not when everything they had planned for it got eaten up by the end of season 2. Predacons Rising wasn't even new material, it was just a retread of Unicron's story and existing stuff from the novels.

Shockwave7 wrote:Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'.
The Hub had nothing to do with it. Hasbro Studios felt they reached beyond their goal enough and were done with it.

Shockwave7 wrote:And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.
EVERY Transformers show ended before the next big thing came along. That's how the business model works. They do one thing for one or two years, and then move on the the next project.

As for Animated, like Sly said, that show ended before ROTF even came to theaters. And, to Hasbro, (regardless of how awesome it was) it was a mere filler series meant to cushion the open space between the first two movie toylines, as evidenced by how quick to drop it Hasbro was when a fourth season was already being thought of (unlike TF: Prime, which never had anything planned beyond episode 65 and the Preds Rising movie).
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Posted by EagleBot13 on November 5th, 2013 @ 9:31pm CST
Sure they would.
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2013 @ 9:36pm CST
Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.
TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on November 6th, 2013 @ 9:10am CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.
TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.


Yes, I was responding to TK415.
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Posted by Dead Metal on November 6th, 2013 @ 11:53am CST
Shockwave7 wrote:
What Transformers TV shows have been canceled other than Animated?


Why are they ending TF prime? This show was good and had plenty of potential for more seasons. Don't tell me 'the HUB' wants this show off the schedule so they can make room for more re-runs of 'Jem and the Holograms'. And with the 4th movie (and it's toys) on the horizon - are we to think it's mere coincidence that TF prime is off the air and hype for the new movie is on the rise?

And TFA was cancelled just before Dark of the Moon came out. Once, you might say 'bad luck' - twice? You gotta say - it's a calculation.

I cannot believe that people still believe Prime was cancelled, seriously they've stated since the show was first announced THAT THERE WHERE ONLY GOING TO BE THREE SEASONS WITH 65 EPISODES!
They only wanted to make 65 episodes, with the option that if it was popular enough they would make more, we got more, we got a TV movie and they're already working on the sequel series.
And I believe the following will also be news to you, but TF Prime ... has Unicron in it.


Also, I hate these stupid themed episode DVDs, I mean wtf? Who needs this after already owning the whole damn show in a box?
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2013 @ 11:58am CST
Dead Metal wrote:Who needs this after already owning the whole damn show in a box?
Kids who like Bumblebee but can't afford the boxed sets? ;)
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Posted by TK415 on November 6th, 2013 @ 2:47pm CST
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.
TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.


Yes, I was responding to TK415.

Look, I get it, Hasbro targets their products to children. Children like Bumblebee. A parent (and or a casual consumer) may be more likely to buy a Bumblebee DVD rather than a Transformer Prime DVD. I don’t have a problem with Hasbro making money or targeting their main audience. But, as an adult collector I can have the opinion that there is an over saturation of Bumblebee.

When I saw the news about the DVD I laughed, I wrote what I wrote, and then I didn’t let it bother me again. Good for Hasbro for thinking of a way to effectively target their audience. Also, the more money they make, the more product they will produce, which could be good for me. I had decent sarcasm, I would think that “Flip their lids” was not an accurate description of my post. I can agree that there is a lot of hate for Bumblebee out there, which bothers me. But we can still laugh at Hasbro’s actions.

Additionally, I thought Prymestriker’s following comment was excellent and one that I hadn’t thought about recently: “I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point.”

For me, I have no spite for Bee. I just don’t like over saturation of any character. Twelve shelves of Starscream for six months would be a problem for me. When the Star Wars prequels came out I enjoyed reading novels about Yoda, Mace, and others. I didn’t want to read 10 novels about Anakin. Sure you can have main characters, just as long as they aren’t the only characters. So, is a Bumblebee DVD a problem? No. Can we laugh about it? Yes.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on November 6th, 2013 @ 7:00pm CST
TK415 wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Shadowman wrote:The issue isn't that it's based on Bumblebee. The issue is that it's just a collection of Bumblebee-themed episodes that we've all already seen.
TK415 seemed pretty bummed that this a Bumblebee-themed release, which PrymeStriker seemed to be responding to.


Yes, I was responding to TK415.

Look, I get it, Hasbro targets their products to children. Children like Bumblebee. A parent (and or a casual consumer) may be more likely to buy a Bumblebee DVD rather than a Transformer Prime DVD. I don’t have a problem with Hasbro making money or targeting their main audience. But, as an adult collector I can have the opinion that there is an over saturation of Bumblebee.

When I saw the news about the DVD I laughed, I wrote what I wrote, and then I didn’t let it bother me again. Good for Hasbro for thinking of a way to effectively target their audience. Also, the more money they make, the more product they will produce, which could be good for me. I had decent sarcasm, I would think that “Flip their lids” was not an accurate description of my post. I can agree that there is a lot of hate for Bumblebee out there, which bothers me. But we can still laugh at Hasbro’s actions.

Additionally, I thought Prymestriker’s following comment was excellent and one that I hadn’t thought about recently: “I personally find a lot of things more annoying than Bumblebee. I can't seem to fathom all of his spite, especially when he's about as common a character as Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream at this point."

For me, I have no spite for Bee. I just don’t like over saturation of any character. Twelve shelves of Starscream for six months would be a problem for me. When the Star Wars prequels came out I enjoyed reading novels about Yoda, Mace, and others. I didn’t want to read 10 novels about Anakin. Sure you can have main characters, just as long as they aren’t the only characters. So, is a Bumblebee DVD a problem? No. Can we laugh about it? Yes.


Thank you for your kind and reasonable response. I apologize for any misconceptions I've made toward your post.
Re: Transformers Prime "Ultimate Bumblebee" DVD Coming In February (1528320)
Posted by TK415 on November 6th, 2013 @ 7:39pm CST
PrymeStriker wrote:Thank you for your kind and reasonable response. I apologize for any misconceptions I've made toward your post.
No problem, thank you for your kind response. You regularly have good points, and I agree that too much negativity really does get in the way. This also reminds me that tone and intent are not always clear in posts.
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 7th, 2013 @ 12:07am CST
Pretty sure the Bumblebee over-saturation has died down since the PRID line went under. I myself haven't seen a Bumblebee toy hive on the shelves since then, as the main Deluxes that now clogging the shelves appear to be BH Smokescreen, BH Starscream, BH Bulkhead, BH Lazerback, and the Wave 1 Generations toys that got re-released with the Wreckers.
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Posted by TurboMMaster on November 7th, 2013 @ 2:50am CST
PrymeStriker wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:1) Almost entirely new cast, characters from Prime returns only via cameo


I disagree with this. They practically left an open door for Bumblebee to be the star of the next series in Predacons Rising. I also don't believe we'll be shaking Bulkhead & Arcee anytime soon. And with Optimus gone, the logical choice for a replacement "leader" is Ultra Magnus.
I understand your POV, but after 65 episodes watching series with such small cast, you may have enough of any character from first seazon, maybe except for Wheeljack. Beast Hunters proves that creators have enough of Bulkhead and Arcee, But there is a lot of Bumblebee, Knock Out and Starscream too. Even if we consider that all three of them start to change before series finale.

PrymeStriker wrote:I agree with this. Knock Out can replace Ratchet as the medic for the Autobots on Cybertron.
To be honest, I would love to see that KO don't fits Autobots at all and either betray them, or beign kicked out. Is there really need in Autobot team for an opportunist and a coward?



With Megatron out of the question, Knock Out a member of the Autobots, Soundwave in the Shadowzone, and Starscream probably target practice for the Predacons, I don't think any returning Decepticons will want to continue the legacy. Especially when Megatron himself officially disbanded the Decepticons, in all of their loyalty to him.
A perfect situation for new Overlord to emerge :lol:


Meh....
After millenia of destructive warfare and later exile from their homeworld, no doubt some of Decepticons would prefer to made a deal with Autobots. And considering their adventage, I don't see reaon why they can't keep their autonomy.

7) Starscream lives.


Target Practice. :lol:
Why you think that Predacons want to KILL Starscream? Maybe humiliation is enough? I think that Predaking may keep Starscream at his court... As a jester :lol: Don't forget that he was - in some way responsible for creation of Darksteel and Skylynx. Of course Shockwave is he's main creator, but they still owns Starscream... Also, as a seaker, he maybe extremly usefull for Predaking, as a one who provide new bones, outside from Cybertron.

9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime



Why not? It's perfect way to keep him "dead" and "alive" at the same time....
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Posted by PrymeStriker on November 7th, 2013 @ 11:25am CST
TurboMMaster wrote:I understand your POV, but after 65 episodes watching series with such small cast, you may have enough of any character from first seazon, maybe except for Wheeljack. Beast Hunters proves that creators have enough of Bulkhead and Arcee, But there is a lot of Bumblebee, Knock Out and Starscream too. Even if we consider that all three of them start to change before series finale.


I understand your point of view as well. It's just that historically, direct sequels of shows have not radically changed the cast in the way you seem to be suggesting. Beast Machines started out with a cast of Maximals completely consisting of previous characters, and only later added to the cast with few new characters. Energon took the cast of Armada to a new level and removed a good deal of its old cast, but it's most prominent characters returned, minus Red Alert.

And for the live action films, pretty much any robot who didn’t die in the first movie came back for the second, save for Megatron and Barricade.

Point being, if the next series is a sequel to Prime, I couldn’t imagine an entirely new cast, not only with characters left with open books, but also with what we’ve gotten in the past.

PrymeStriker wrote:I agree with this. Knock Out can replace Ratchet as the medic for the Autobots on Cybertron.
To be honest, I would love to see that KO don't fits Autobots at all and either betray them, or beign kicked out. Is there really need in Autobot team for an opportunist and a coward?


There may not be room for an opportunist and coward on the Autobot’s side (though there have existed such characters before), but Knock Out could find a role model in one of his braver comrades. It would be good character development for him.

Plus, the Autobots need a medic. Ratchet can’t be space bridging back and forth all the time.

With Megatron out of the question, Knock Out a member of the Autobots, Soundwave in the Shadowzone, and Starscream probably target practice for the Predacons, I don't think any returning Decepticons will want to continue the legacy. Especially when Megatron himself officially disbanded the Decepticons, in all of their loyalty to him.
A perfect situation for new Overlord to emerge :lol:


I would love to see that character in the Prime design aesthetic.

Come to think of it, I would love to see any character we haven’t in the Prime aesthetic.





7) Starscream lives.


Target Practice. :lol:
Why you think that Predacons want to KILL Starscream? Maybe humiliation is enough?


I didn't say the Predacons want to KILL Starscream. Target practice =/= killed. They can tie Starscream up and fire rocks from a cannon at him every night, or practice their fire breath on him. That wouldn’t be killing him, but rather forcing him to endure eternal suffering and aggravation for his abuse toward them.

Also, as a seaker, he maybe extremly usefull for Predaking, as a one who provide new bones, outside from Cybertron.


I imagine Darksteel being responsible for that.

9) Reincarnation of Optimus Prime

No.

Why not? It's perfect way to keep him "dead" and "alive" at the same time....


Because. I’m tired of Optimus.
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Posted by TK415 on November 7th, 2013 @ 2:41pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Pretty sure the Bumblebee over-saturation has died down since the PRID line went under. I myself haven't seen a Bumblebee toy hive on the shelves since then, as the main Deluxes that now clogging the shelves appear to be BH Smokescreen, BH Starscream, BH Bulkhead, BH Lazerback, and the Wave 1 Generations toys that got re-released with the Wreckers.
Great point, and absolutely true in the short term. But six years of Bumblebee oversaturation is hard to shake off, and holds true for the average of those years.

Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.
Nice description, I like that.
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 7th, 2013 @ 4:40pm CST
TK415 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.
Nice description, I like that.
Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

Image
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Posted by Shadowman on November 7th, 2013 @ 4:46pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
TK415 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.
Nice description, I like that.
Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

Image


The situation has only been made worse with the addition of yet more bees!
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Posted by Dead Metal on November 8th, 2013 @ 1:35pm CST
Shadowman wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
TK415 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote: a Bumblebee toy hive.
Nice description, I like that.
Has also been called just "the hive", "Yellow Cancer", "Bumblebees, Bumblebees everywhere!", "the Yellow Swarm", etc.

For the following, I think Batman put it best when he said, "A deadly bee weapon. Bees, my God."

Image


The situation has only been made worse with the addition of yet more bees!

I don't even have to click that to know what it is.

Also, can't believe this hasn't been posted yet
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Posted by kaijuguy19 on November 16th, 2013 @ 1:53pm CST
I've came across this post on TFW that said that Beast Machines had better CGI then Prime right here.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... prime.html

It explains about how Beast Machines made better use of the CGI it had and that the desgins and stlyings are more consistant. Whereas in Prime while the robots and vehicles are detailed the humans and enveroments as well as the explosions don't seem to blnd well with the robots making it inconsitant as well as making it age faster.

Do you guys agree with this or at least some of it?
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 16th, 2013 @ 5:47pm CST
I can kinda see where this guy is coming from, though it is very confusing how he speaks of Beast Machines yet uses an image of Beast Wars.

I agree with most of the other users who speak of the two having very different aesthetics and it all comes down personal preference of which one was better, since that is entirely subjective.

Beast Machines used 100% CGI, while Prime made use of both CGI and hand-painted art pieces for backgrounds, flashbacks, etc.

Beast Machines also stuck to a more alien, otherworldly art style with designs that were unrealistic, atypical, and only believable within the realms of imagination.

Whereas Prime used a style that was uber realistic, with very traditional designs for its environments and humans, as though it tried its darnedest to hide the fact that it was a cartoon (but that's a whole other can of worms).

Of the two, I'd at least say that Beast Machines was the one that looked less "boring" by virtue of it being set on an alien world and stemming as far away as possible from Earthen designs. But to call its CGI better than Prime overall, I can't say for certain, since both had their own respective strengths and weaknesses.
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Posted by Avensis-Mahiya on November 17th, 2013 @ 1:01am CST
Eh, personally I would have loved to have seen a forth season. And honestly, I would have rather they went through with the 3 years of story rather than condense everything they had planned.
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Posted by kaijuguy19 on November 28th, 2013 @ 5:29pm CST
Do you think the Autobots as a whole in the series have some good interactions with each other or do you think the show didn't go deeper enough to their personatly and as a result think they're boring and one demensional? The reason I ask this is because many fans I've met talk about how they're just standing around the base, waiting to go back into the field and murder more Vehicons,don't have any traits for the viewer to identify with,and that we never saw them do stuff on their own outside of hanging out with the humans. They also said how the Decepticons are more interesting and entertaining then the Autobots because of this.

Here's a thread that talked about this for example.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... -bots.html
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 28th, 2013 @ 6:59pm CST
When Smokescreen came into the picture is when I feel we got some really good interactions among the Autobots.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on November 28th, 2013 @ 8:14pm CST
kaijuguy19 wrote:Do you think the Autobots as a whole in the series have some good interactions with each other or do you think the show didn't go deeper enough to their personatly and as a result think they're boring and one demensional?





The show didn't dig into the Autobot's personality? I guess Ratchet, Smokescreen, Wheeljack, and Bumblebee didn't exist in this show then. :roll:

don't have any traits for the viewer to identify with,


That's because the fans you are talking to severely lack the ability to analyze a cartoon and its characters.

Ratchet is a serious spirit with a strong hatred for humans and their technology, which is the basis for his character development throughout the series.

Wheeljack is a loose cannon who is rebellious against authority, and prefers to work alone, yet another point of character development when he became a regular in season three.

Smokescreen's an inexperienced trigger-happy optimistic with a fantastic ability to plan ahead, especially in split-seconds. Though, his overconfidence becomes a point of fault between him and his team.

Optimus & Magnus lacked personality, but ironically, that was part of their personalities.

and so on...

that we never saw them do stuff on their own outside of hanging out with the humans.


Bulkhead in "Armada" and to an extent "Toxicity."
Smokescreen in "Darkmount, NV," "Scattered," "Prey," and "Rebellion."
Cliffjumper in "Darkness Rising, Part 1"

Though, the whole point of the Autobots in this show is that they work together. They are in hiding from a giant group of dictators with thousands of brutes and warriors in their roster after all.

They also said how the Decepticons are more interesting and entertaining then the Autobots because of this.


Again, Ratchet, Bumblebee, Wheeljack, Bulkhead, and Smokescreen were very interesting and entertaining characters. Cliffjumper was too, which is why it's a shame they killed him so early. While I agree the Decepticons were more fun, when you think about it, the number of entertaining characters on either side are more balanced then others make them out to be.

Sabrblade wrote:When Smokescreen came into the picture is when I feel we got some really good interactions among the Autobots.


I concur, though "Loose Cannons" was a interesting episode for Autobot dynamic.
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Posted by kaijuguy19 on November 28th, 2013 @ 9:39pm CST
Again I guess it's because that after seeing the show in it's entiriety I'm beginning to look back at it. In a way most of the people who say that we don't see a lot of the Autobots doing things off the battle field or doing anything important enough on the show are somehow valid since I didn't see Arcee take an oil bath despite her talking about how much she loves on or that we don't know what Ratchet and Optimus do in their spare time other then stating the obvious mission at hand here. It's not the same like in Beast Wars and Animated where we see the case of Maximals actually do things that fits their character and not be epic all the time. Things that make them human and relatible like having an art hobby like with Animated bulkhead or Bumblebee playing hockey in Animated or Optimus loving history in the same show.

For the Autobots in Prime however the same people said that all of the past time the Autobots have are in a nutshell an afterthought with them not really being into what they're doing and not add anything to the character. There's also them saying that there's hardly any conflict between them other then Ratchet,Wheeljack and Magnus.

Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on November 28th, 2013 @ 9:52pm CST
kaijuguy19 wrote:Again I guess it's because that after seeing the show in it's entiriety I'm beginning to look back at it. In a way most of the people who say that we don't see a lot of the Autobots doing things off the battle field or doing anything important enough on the show are somehow valid since I didn't see Arcee take an oil bath despite her talking about how much she loves on or that we don't know what Ratchet and Optimus do in their spare time other then stating the obvious mission at hand here.


I'm going to quote Arcee from "New Recruit" on this argument:

"There was a war going on."

In Animated, the Autobots were on the top of the pile (like the Decepticons are here), and had time to goof off and be themselves. But with a severe lack of resources and a need to stay covert and undercover, none of the Autobots could do anything for leisure very often.

It wasn't until Predacons Rising when the Autobots had won that we saw some of the Autobots "in their element," such as Bulkhead in charge of the construction effort. Though, that was short-lived with the Predacon Predicament and the return of Unicron.

Point being, there was no spare time for the Autobots in this series. They were near-hungry, poor, and on-the-run for most of the series, and that's the way it would realistically be.


There's also them saying that there's hardly any conflict between them other then Ratchet,Wheeljack and Magnus.


Ratchet-->Optimus Prime (for a while)
Wheeljack-->Ultra Magnus
Arcee-->Smokescreen
Wheeljack-->Optimus Prime
Bulkhead-->Wheeljack (vaguely)

Seems like Bumblebee's the only one who hasn't had any kind of conflict with any of his teammates.

Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.


I never understood this argument. Can you elaborate on this, please?
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Posted by kaijuguy19 on November 29th, 2013 @ 12:16am CST
PrymeStriker wrote:
I'm going to quote Arcee from "New Recruit" on this argument:

"There was a war going on."

In Animated, the Autobots were on the top of the pile (like the Decepticons are here), and had time to goof off and be themselves. But with a severe lack of resources and a need to stay covert and undercover, none of the Autobots could do anything for leisure very often.

It wasn't until Predacons Rising when the Autobots had won that we saw some of the Autobots "in their element," such as Bulkhead in charge of the construction effort. Though, that was short-lived with the Predacon Predicament and the return of Unicron.

Point being, there was no spare time for the Autobots in this series. They were near-hungry, poor, and on-the-run for most of the series, and that's the way it would realistically be.


Oh I get that all right believe me I do. I think it's just we didn't see them do the stuff that they did have time to with either the kids or by themselves enough to really get a sense of them having a life aside from fighting that's all. I agree that while yes the Autobots aren't perfect they aren't the worst I've seen. I was sort of shocked when I've heard that the japanese characters from RID while being one track were constantly on track and never boring and that both the RID and UT at least had the excuse to have one track characters in low budget shows unlike Prime having a higher budget had no excuse to mess up characters. I should also point that while the Maximals of Beast Wars were in many tight situations they still found time to do some hobbies and such to relax a lot of times during the show.

Ratchet-->Optimus Prime (for a while)
Wheeljack-->Ultra Magnus
Arcee-->Smokescreen
Wheeljack-->Optimus Prime
Bulkhead-->Wheeljack (vaguely)

Seems like Bumblebee's the only one who hasn't had any kind of conflict with any of his teammates.


Well I guess Bee did get ticked off at Smokscreen a tad in Minus one with the whole "How come you want to talk normally when people can understand you just as fine." comment but that didn't last long.

Then there's the Autobots being Hyprocrties as well.


I never understood this argument. Can you elaborate on this, please?


Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.

There's also the time Arcee went off towards Airachnid in Crossfire ignoring Optimus's command not to when in the past episodes like Partners and One shall Fall she learned that revenge was a bad thing and told Bee not to do it to Megatron then after Crossfire told Smokescreen not to be reckless and disobeying orders. Then there's the part in Minus One where Optimus allowed Ratchet to use a method of breaking open Soundwave that seems harsh.

Those are just some examples of why some people think the Autobots are hyprocrites due to their morals being contradicting as well as delving into morally quiestionable territory ye those isseus never get touched on thus making them self rightous.

Here's a thread that were talking about such things.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... cites.html
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Posted by Sabrblade on November 29th, 2013 @ 12:19am CST
It's TFW. What else should we expect from it but the lowest respect for this show? :roll: :P
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Posted by Shadowman on November 29th, 2013 @ 1:23am CST
kaijuguy19 wrote:Oh I get that all right believe me I do. I think it's just we didn't see them do the stuff that they did have time to with either the kids or by themselves enough to really get a sense of them having a life aside from fighting that's all. I agree that while yes the Autobots aren't perfect they aren't the worst I've seen. I was sort of shocked when I've heard that the japanese characters from RID while being one track were constantly on track and never boring and that both the RID and UT at least had the excuse to have one track characters in low budget shows unlike Prime having a higher budget had no excuse to mess up characters. I should also point that while the Maximals of Beast Wars were in many tight situations they still found time to do some hobbies and such to relax a lot of times during the show.


When you are on the losing end of a millenia-old war, and all of your allies can be counted on two hands, while your enemies seem to have an infinite supply of soldiers, you don't exactly have time to go out for dinner and a movie...

kaijuguy19 wrote:Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another


I don't think you know what "hypocritical" means, because "killing enemy combatants" certainly isn't the definition of it.

"Oh, but the vehicons are really weak and can't fight back!" Tell that to Cliffjumper.

kaijuguy19 wrote:as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.


The two options they had were to nip that one in the bud, or give Megatron an army of Predacons. That's not hypocritical, that's just preventing the extinction of the human race.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on November 29th, 2013 @ 11:55am CST
kaijuguy19 wrote:Sure thing. The same people I talked to talked about how the Autobots like Optimus for example preach on about not killling those who can't defend themselves nor slaughter Vehicons who aren't made for combat yet goes around killing off Vehicons in brutal fasions like Arcee twisting off the head of one and Bulkhead ripping out the insides of another as well as killing off the Predacons in he tubes in Evolution.


Well, what Optimus said was that he/they did not believe in offing those who cannot defend themselves. However, the Vehicons the Autobots are seen constantly slaying and tearing apart are Vehicons who are attacking them in return. Not exactly "defenseless beings."

There's also the time Arcee went off towards Airachnid in Crossfire ignoring Optimus's command not to when in the past episodes like Partners and One shall Fall she learned that revenge was a bad thing and told Bee not to do it to Megatron then after Crossfire told Smokescreen not to be reckless and disobeying orders. Then there's the part in Minus One where Optimus allowed Ratchet to use a method of breaking open Soundwave that seems harsh.


All of these details are foggy to me, so I'm not going to defend 'nor argue them. I'll have to go re-watch some of these episodes.

Those are just some examples of why some people think the Autobots are hyprocrites due to their morals being contradicting as well as delving into morally quiestionable territory ye those isseus never get touched on thus making them self rightous.

Here's a thread that were talking about such things.

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... cites.html


Thanks for explaining that to me, though I don't agree with them. I don't agree with a lot of people on TFW. :roll:

Shadowman wrote:When you are on the losing end of a millenia-old war, and all of your allies can be counted on two hands, while your enemies seem to have an infinite supply of soldiers, you don't exactly have time to go out for dinner and a movie...


Exactly.
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Posted by TurboMMaster on December 16th, 2013 @ 3:54am CST
I can't belive it, after all this time, finally someone beside me consider Vechicons as a combatants! I Never Thought I'd Live to See the Day... :lol:
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Posted by PrymeStriker on December 17th, 2013 @ 9:59am CST
With Transformers Prime done for, I thought it was appropriate for me to discuss this:

Am I the only one who thinks Transformers Prime was better than Beast Wars?

*cough* Yes *cough*

I mean, everyone holds Beast Wars to be the holy grail of Transformers cartoons, but when Transformers Prime ended and I was able to sum up the whole cartoon and go back and re-watch episodes, I find Prime to be a superior show.

I have to be careful not to type 'far superior.' To put in perspective, I think Prime deserves an A grade and Beast Wars deserves an A-. Here's why:

Beast Wars was a great show. Entertaining and fun characters, great animation, a fine story. But my biggest problem with Beast Wars is that they killed off characters for no particular reason other than to make room for new toys.

Transformers Prime didn't give a rats ass about their toyline until season three, and even then they ignored a lot about it.

People complain that Prime 'wasted characters' through death. The same can be said for Beast Wars. But the difference is, Prime's character deaths served a purpose to the plot or someone else's character development.

What purpose to the plot or someone else's character development did Terrorsaur and Scorponok's deaths serve? None. Nobody give a crap when they died and they ultimately glorified the new Fuzor.

Which, might I add, died for no particular reason at the end of the show anyway.

But almost everyone in Prime who died mattered.

- Cliffjumper's death was character development for Arcee (and later, indirectly, Miko and Wheeljack).
- Skyquake's death was to serve Dreadwing's (and later Starscream in a rather "domino" effect) character development
- Makeshift's death was useless. The only example.

- Breakdown's death was necessary to the plot, and really the only candidate with what characters they had to choose from at that time. Breakdown's body was found and put back together by MECH, who was used when Silas was crushed by his failed Nemesis Prime project, who in turn tried to join the Decepticons with his new body, who failed at Damocles and became an experiment for (Dark) Synthetic Energon, which ultimately resulted in the loss of the Insecticon army and therefore Knock Out had to turn over the project to Shockwave, who later discovered it could create cybermatter, who with Ratchet's help stabilized the formula, which ultimately revitalized Cybertron.
>:oP

- Hardshell's death was character development for Miko.
- Dreadwing's death was character development for Starscream.
- Optimus Prime's ultimate death was necessary for the story to finish given the circumstances.

Not-so-honorable mention:
- Tailgate and Seaspray were already dead.

Am I forgetting anyone?

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Honestly, the only thing wrong with Prime by series' end was that Breakdown & Bulkhead's rivalry and Airachnid's control over the Insecticons were not explained, though I have my own theory for the latter. Every surviving character was developed except for Optimus Prime and Soundwave. The former is, however, arguable, and the latter absent from the conclusion anyway.

Another "nitpick" I have about Beast Wars is how everyone got some sort of new upgrade each season. I know I'm exaggerating, but Prime only changed characters' looks for season three and the movie, and even that was only four characters. Beast Wars was double this number, and in some cases the models changed more than once.

I guess the best factor is that both shows worked their "upgrades" into the plot, though I just think Prime handled and controlled it a lot better, especially when both were up against toyline upgrades en masse.

I also think Prime was animated a lot better, with a lot more detail and very realistic motions. I also prefer Prime's aesthetic to Beast Wars, and so on with personal preferences.

I know I'm not alone on my opinion within the TFW2005 community (though the number is 33% in favor of Prime, and the more vocal members irrationally revile the show.), but I wanted to see if anyone here shared my vision?

P.S: It's been fun discussing Transformers Prime with you all these past three-to-four years. :D
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 17th, 2013 @ 12:22pm CST
Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing. It's basically what TV Tropes calls being "Stuffed into the Fridge", only minus the killer's intended insult factor.
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Posted by Va'al on December 17th, 2013 @ 1:09pm CST
*PLUG*

You should all check out the Art of Prime book, because reasons.

*END PLUG*
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Posted by njb902 on December 17th, 2013 @ 2:34pm CST
Va'al wrote:*PLUG*

You should all check out the Art of Prime book, because reasons.

*END PLUG*


Sure, but it will cost ya a pic of your left eyebrow.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on December 17th, 2013 @ 3:04pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.


And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable? :???:
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 17th, 2013 @ 8:26pm CST
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.


And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable? :???:
Where in my post did I say that?
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Posted by PrymeStriker on December 18th, 2013 @ 8:46am CST
Sabrblade wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for someone else's benefit isn't typically an acceptable thing.


And being killed off for no reason other than to sell toys is acceptable? :???:
Where in my post did I say that?


The point in my original post was that getting killed for the benefit of storytelling or another character's development is a better reason than being killed to sell some new toys.

Saying that the former was not acceptable and not recognizing the other half of the claim seemed like you were excusing all of the crap deaths in Beast Wars.
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Posted by Sabrblade on December 18th, 2013 @ 8:56am CST
Being killed off for story progression, if handled well, is okay. Being killed off to create angst or turmoil for somebody else's character arc, however, is another case entirely.
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Posted by PrymeStriker on December 18th, 2013 @ 9:41am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off for story progression, if handled well, is okay.


Which is the case with a lot of deaths in Transformers: Prime, including Breakdown. :D

Sabrblade wrote:Being killed off to create angst or turmoil for somebody else's character arc, however, is another case entirely.


Ah, you're thinking of Cliffjumper and Skyquake.

Well, that is true, but without those two's deaths, we'd be with a lot of undeveloped characters.

Skyquake's death in relationship to Dreadwing wasn't really a bad thing. Without it, Dreadwing wouldn't have a motive to attack Starscream and therefore his questionable loyalty to Megatron wouldn't have been corrected. ;)

Same thing for Cliffjumper. Sure, it didn't do the best job of developing Arcee, but it did affect Miko in "Out of the Past" and shifted Wheeljack's "loner" arc from the others (most prominently Bulkhead) in "Plus One." On top of that, without Wheeljack warming up to the rest of the team after Arcee's talk, he probably wouldn't have gotten along with Ultra Magnus after "Evoltuion" (and vice versa), and then that would leave two more characters without development.

I agree that these two characters could have stuck around longer so that we'd care that they were gone, especially with season one being the exposition for the series, they could have given them more time before they were offed.

Nevertheless, they had to die.

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