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Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3?

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Friday, November 26th, 2010 7:13PM CST

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Thanks to Bob from movie site iesb.net for letting us know that there may be some postproduction issues brewing for Transformers 3, specifically with the 3D version of the film. According to the article, the issue is with the native 3D footage, the material that was actually filmed with 3D equipment versus a digital, 2D camera. Insiders working on the film report that this footage "looks like #@*$" and may have to be scrapped or go through additional post production. The article goes on to mention that the problems, if true, may stem from Michael Bay's high energy, "aggressive" filming style. And while the final cut will hopefully still look good in 3D, it may not live up to the moviegoer expectations set by benchmarks such as Avatar.

To read the whole article, click HERE.
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Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151084)
Posted by ProwlJazz on November 26th, 2010 @ 7:20pm CST
This could be a problem, hopefully there's no set backs because of it.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151089)
Posted by ashe5k on November 26th, 2010 @ 7:28pm CST
Strangely enough, that was the FIRST thing that popped into my head when they talked about making this 3D. Michael Bay's "Shoot for the Edit" and quick cuts, while great as 2D pieces that move things along at a frantic pace are WAY too jerky to really effectively work with the current 3D tech. Avatar doesn't have a ton of those frantic action cuts at all. Most of it is panning, and even when it goes 'hand-held' it's no where NEAR as nuts as when Bay goes hand held.

Hopefully they'll clean it up.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151111)
Posted by Ungie on November 26th, 2010 @ 8:27pm CST
All I can say is, "Ruh Roh, Michael!"
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151132)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on November 26th, 2010 @ 9:31pm CST
I always watch my movies in 2D anyway, so no loss for the James.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151137)
Posted by Mechastrike on November 26th, 2010 @ 9:44pm CST
i just hope this will improve things. i mean there was a loop hole in the first movie (Barricade), and there were plenty in ROTF.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151147)
Posted by zenosaurus_x on November 26th, 2010 @ 10:39pm CST
I'll probably see it in 2d anyways...but I hope this doesn't cause any...more...problems...
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151164)
Posted by SlyTF1 on November 26th, 2010 @ 11:57pm CST
I knew some dumb ass shit whoud happen. It always happens.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151165)
Posted by SlyTF1 on November 26th, 2010 @ 11:59pm CST
Mechastrike wrote:i just hope this will improve things. i mean there was a loop hole in the first movie (Barricade), and there were plenty in ROTF.


I just can't stop myself from doing this. Name them.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151171)
Posted by Joshua Vallse on November 27th, 2010 @ 2:28am CST
Yeah, the shooting style of Bay def contributed to this fiasco. Honestly, being Paramount demanded such a high turnaround....I'm not at all surprised at all the issues popping up. Whats the tally now?

1. Filming halted in Washington

2. BB car crash fiasco

3. Extra injured on set

4. Pending lawsuit

5. Cancelation of sequence due to location and budget

6. 3D Footage is "garbage"

7. Megan Fox walked.

I'm at 6, I'm sure I missed something though. Honestly, I think Paramount should have waited till 2011, bieng this summer ALOT of big league films are going to hit, which will no doubt give TF3 more then ample competition. I don't predict the same phenom last year where it Bogart'd the entire summer boxoffice due to a lack of competition. If they waited till 2011, they would have had less competition, and work out all of these impending bugs.

Aw well, I think if they can't edit and cut around whats been shot, they'll need to re-shoot or cut their losses and ditch the 3D being filming with the 3d cameras demands more time and patience...patience not being Bays strong suit. Nor can Paramount afford the time for that matter.
~Josh
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151199)
Posted by griftimus prime on November 27th, 2010 @ 5:51am CST
i wont pay to see it in 3d anyway.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151209)
Posted by Windsweeper on November 27th, 2010 @ 7:29am CST
The footage looks like slag? Nah, that's just the robot designs!
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151212)
Posted by ConBotFormer on November 27th, 2010 @ 7:42am CST
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!! I knew this would happen. :P
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151216)
Posted by Albershide on November 27th, 2010 @ 7:58am CST
Michael Bay's site moderator Nelson commented this article. He simply said: "BS".
You can draw the conclusions for yourselves. :)
By the way let's not forget that Michael Bay said that before filming started they made a test if his filming style will look good in 3D and they were very satisfied with the result. Then they decided to go 3D. So I really I don't believe that suddenly the footage turned to be so bad.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151217)
Posted by kviesgaard on November 27th, 2010 @ 8:02am CST
Well this just proves to me that 3D does not equal quality.

It also shows that haste IS waste. The studio demanded the 3rd
film ready for next year and more or less forced Michael Bay
to work with new technology that he was unfamiliar with and
did not want to. Know we can read why.

This is going to cost more time and money. Somehow I doubt that
the studio will have learned anything from this event.

Just my thoughts.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151223)
Posted by Albershide on November 27th, 2010 @ 8:24am CST
And now here is what Michael Bay thinks of this article (taken from Shoot for the Edit):

"Wow, I read these morons on the internet who think they are in the know. "We have have problems with our 3D????" Really? Come into my edit room and I will show you beautiful 3D. There has never been a live action show that has pushed the boundaries of 3D like Transformers 3. We shot the entire movie with 3D cameras. I actually loved shooting in 3D. I will give full details of my process and why I liked 3D in the next week right before the Transformers announcement piece comes out on Tron and Narnia.

Michael"

And a second comment:

"And don't watch this movie in 2D, we made it for 3D."


So this is a direct confirmation that TF3 trailer will debut with Tron and Narnia. And also that the whole movie is shot with 3D cameras and looks great. :)
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151231)
Posted by Mechastrike on November 27th, 2010 @ 8:52am CST
SlyTF1 wrote:

I just can't stop myself from doing this. Name them.

Bonecrusher's alt mode appeared but didn't do anything. Jolt appeared only in the Climax. Megs was resurrected by using a Constructicon's spark and the piece of the cube. Wheelie seem to have disappeared. Barricade didn't appear.

my point is this movie was only nominated for best sound while razzies piled up despite 2009 biggest earner. they have to make this movie 2011's biggest hit.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151232)
Posted by omega666 on November 27th, 2010 @ 8:55am CST
Who cares? I only watch regular and not 3D.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151239)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on November 27th, 2010 @ 9:04am CST
I'd enjoy 3D films more if they made glasses I could actually wear over my glasses, thats the big flaw of 3D tech. I've only seen one pair of glasses that fit over my own, for a samsung 3D TV, and it is not like I have huge glasses or anything.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151243)
Posted by Covenant on November 27th, 2010 @ 9:17am CST
Wait, Mikey's 'brand' of shooting has created issues with the quality of what will be seen?

Noooooo, you're kidding.

Lol.




However, in this instance I do hope they get a handle on it. I've already promised my son we'd go see it in 3D.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151254)
Posted by dragons on November 27th, 2010 @ 9:49am CST
i would have to agree with bay with this one ever 3d movie ive seen when action is fast paced 3d effects look littel blury when movie is still slow motion effects paning motion thats when you can see 3d effects in there full potiontial i saw resident evil in 3d corworkers like crazy about it 3d stuff i ddint see to many stuff in when there was 3d involved in fast action scenes most of time it was blurry.

do i hate 3d yes i gave 3d shot it didint work out for me maybe hollywood will catch on making everymovie in 3d will garrentee you alot of money as avatar did avatar made its money with its characters, effects not with 3d. 3d or no 3d it would of made same amount of money either way maybe littel less since 3d tickets are few dollars more than 2d.

me i see all movies in 2d
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151261)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on November 27th, 2010 @ 10:27am CST
Anyone care to transliterate dragons post into something a little more comprehensible? I'm not certain what's being said and cant tell if I should argue against it or agree with it...
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151264)
Posted by Swiftknife24 on November 27th, 2010 @ 10:31am CST
Haha, I like how the post implies that Avatar was any good and that the 3D was of a high quality.

(No, not all of us think like a mainstream crowd; in my opinion the film was a waste of time and money and the 3D added nothing to it at all and Cameron should've kept 3D in Universal Studios with Terminator 2: 3D...Now THAT'S a 3D adventure!)

Anyway, why can't they keep consistancy and release as per the first two? :BANG_HEAD: At least Michael was sceptical from the beginning; so was I!
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151274)
Posted by Joshua Vallse on November 27th, 2010 @ 10:57am CST
Albershide wrote:"Wow, I read these morons on the internet who think they are in the know. "We have have problems with our 3D????" Really? Come into my edit room and I will show you beautiful 3D. There has never been a live action show that has pushed the boundaries of 3D like Transformers 3. We shot the entire movie with 3D cameras. I actually loved shooting in blah blah blah blah




This thread hit a nerve with Mickey? Oh thats just awesome, I wonder if somewhere, something randomly exploded....cause thats how the law of cause and effect applies to Michaels person :lol:

I would luv to come into your editing room Mickey, for soooo many reasons ha ha. I luv his close to bi-polar attitude concerning 3D, how it went from stealing jobs from americans to the bestest thing ever in cinema, it's pretty awesome just watching him "react" now. Like a bonus movie within a movie.

As for the footage, I guess it's all fine. Even so, I'm sitting in the back row when I see this film in 3D, however now I might just watch it in 2D just to see his reaction to that ha ha ha. Even so, I made the mistake of sitting too close for ROTF, and my eyes paid for it. It was close to Cloverfeild levels of dizziness. I can only imagine what my eyes will do if all those XCU's are in 3D :BOOM:

Only problem I see is for cinemas without digital projectors. Even the most high quality 3D pics can go off with digital projectors, problems get higher with traditional projectors (Shout out to my bud at the theatres) and if there are any sort of problems Mickey can't see on his awesome waaaayyyy too expensive digital monitors and home entertainment system...they will be amplified to ungodly levels once it hits the mainstream media. Hopefully, for his sake I hope he's right, cause thats an aweful lot of work just for it to go apesh!t.
~Josh
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151357)
Posted by Red 50 on November 27th, 2010 @ 2:49pm CST
Windsweeper wrote:The footage looks like slag? Nah, that's just the robot designs!

What's wrong with the robot designs?
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151452)
Posted by RiddlerJ on November 27th, 2010 @ 7:01pm CST
Remember weeks ago, we had quotes like these from Lorenzo di Bonaventura from IGN:

"Michael is so awesome at shooting, the question originally was how the cameras would work because they're cumbersome. Look how long it took Jim Cameron to make one movie. All those things are quite daunting, but Michael figured out how to use the cameras in a day."


Oops #-o
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151556)
Posted by Prime Riblet on November 28th, 2010 @ 12:11am CST
Omega666, I agree with you. I will be watching in 2-D, so I could care less when it comes to the quality of the 3-D product.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151561)
Posted by Burn on November 28th, 2010 @ 12:33am CST
I'll be watching it in 3D because i've yet to find a pair of 3D glasses to fit over my prescription glasses, and I refuse to go out and pay for a fancy pair that do.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151766)
Posted by Albershide on November 28th, 2010 @ 2:08pm CST
I'm really surprised on the lack of updates and info from the news crew about this thread. The info from this thread is old and was denied by Michael Bay himself yesterday. No one made anything to inform the forum members that this info is false. I wrote an explanation but most of the forum members never read other people's posts, only the headline of the thread.
Also one of the most important thing about a movie (it's trailer) now have a release date and the news crew didn't even mention it.
I guess this site is mostly for toys and cartoons. Too bad for the small amount of people that rely to get some info for the movies from here.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151792)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on November 28th, 2010 @ 3:24pm CST
Burn wrote:I'll be watching it in 2D because i've yet to find a pair of 3D glasses to fit over my prescription glasses, and I refuse to go out and pay for a fancy pair that do.


Same bloody problem I have, mate!
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151793)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on November 28th, 2010 @ 3:26pm CST
Albershide wrote:I'm really surprised on the lack of updates and info from the news crew about this thread. The info from this thread is old and was denied by Michael Bay himself yesterday. No one made anything to inform the forum members that this info is false. I wrote an explanation but most of the forum members never read other people's posts, only the headline of the thread.
Also one of the most important thing about a movie (it's trailer) now have a release date and the news crew didn't even mention it.
I guess this site is mostly for toys and cartoons. Too bad for the small amount of people that rely to get some info for the movies from here.


Dude, new info really should be posted in a new thread to get serious attention. Plus maybe the news moderators haven't noticed your post, it happens. Take a chill pill and stop feeling so defensive.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1151997)
Posted by Albershide on November 29th, 2010 @ 7:56am CST
NuclearConvoy wrote:
Albershide wrote:I'm really surprised on the lack of updates and info from the news crew about this thread. The info from this thread is old and was denied by Michael Bay himself yesterday. No one made anything to inform the forum members that this info is false. I wrote an explanation but most of the forum members never read other people's posts, only the headline of the thread.
Also one of the most important thing about a movie (it's trailer) now have a release date and the news crew didn't even mention it.
I guess this site is mostly for toys and cartoons. Too bad for the small amount of people that rely to get some info for the movies from here.


Dude, new info really should be posted in a new thread to get serious attention. Plus maybe the news moderators haven't noticed your post, it happens. Take a chill pill and stop feeling so defensive.


I don't care if the news crew will notice my post. I don't care if I will be in the credits. The info is all over the web. I just want them to post news together with all other TF sites.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1153130)
Posted by MagnusRex on December 2nd, 2010 @ 1:31pm CST
I'm not hating on Michael Bay and I know he said that the 3D looks great and that it's going to blow everyone away, and that there were no problems and that people don't know what they're talking about. The same thing was also said when X-Men Origins: Wolverine was released like 2 weeks early and the studio and Hugh Jackman all said that the bootleg version is not what you will see in the theaters, and to not cheat yourselves by watching it. Only to turn out 2 weeks later that what was leaked was exactly what turned up in the theaters but with added in SFX. ROTF got a lot of negative feedback and people are already pissing on DOTM even though they haven't seen any footage yet. Michael Bay is the front man, so he has to come out and squash any rumors weather they are true or false.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1154060)
Posted by Joshua Vallse on December 5th, 2010 @ 11:23am CST
MagnusRex wrote:I'm not hating on Michael Bay and I know he said that the 3D looks great and that it's going to blow everyone away, and that there were no problems and that people don't know what they're talking about. The same thing was also said when X-Men Origins: Wolverine was released like 2 weeks early and the studio and Hugh Jackman all said that the bootleg version is not what you will see in the theaters, and to not cheat yourselves by watching it. Only to turn out 2 weeks later that what was leaked was exactly what turned up in the theaters but with added in SFX. ROTF got a lot of negative feedback and people are already pissing on DOTM even though they haven't seen any footage yet. Michael Bay is the front man, so he has to come out and squash any rumors weather they are true or false.


Welcome! Very true what you said though, I mean the mans rep is on the line in saying he didn't support 3D...it was stealing jobs from Americans and blah blah blah, then publically said shooting 3D was great and there was nothing to it...only to have one of the companies and 3D farms report that the film might be useless (meaning there is "something" to it)....thats got to sting hard core.

Now there's a possible discription of what were might expect to see in the upcoming "trailer", however this "trailer" looks and sounds to be just a gimmick made to get people into the seats, not really a reflection of what we are to expect to see in the actual film, kinda like that awefully funny SAW 3D movie trailer....with all the knives and saws flying at you. Those shots are just to showcase and cater to the 3D gimmick, but thats not a reflection of the film itself. I think what we are going to see with TRON and Narnia is just that, shiny cool things moving and "transforming"...but if it's the footage they showed in...where was it, Italy? Well I doubt it will be actual fottage from the movie itself...just like the Mars Rover viral footage from the first film. But hopefully I'm wrong, and we do get an actually trailer. This week will tell.

~Josh
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1154236)
Posted by MagnusRex on December 5th, 2010 @ 10:19pm CST
Joshua Vallse wrote:
MagnusRex wrote:I'm not hating on Michael Bay and I know he said that the 3D looks great and that it's going to blow everyone away, and that there were no problems and that people don't know what they're talking about. The same thing was also said when X-Men Origins: Wolverine was released like 2 weeks early and the studio and Hugh Jackman all said that the bootleg version is not what you will see in the theaters, and to not cheat yourselves by watching it. Only to turn out 2 weeks later that what was leaked was exactly what turned up in the theaters but with added in SFX. ROTF got a lot of negative feedback and people are already pissing on DOTM even though they haven't seen any footage yet. Michael Bay is the front man, so he has to come out and squash any rumors weather they are true or false.


Welcome! Very true what you said though, I mean the mans rep is on the line in saying he didn't support 3D...it was stealing jobs from Americans and blah blah blah, then publically said shooting 3D was great and there was nothing to it...only to have one of the companies and 3D farms report that the film might be useless (meaning there is "something" to it)....thats got to sting hard core.

Now there's a possible discription of what were might expect to see in the upcoming "trailer", however this "trailer" looks and sounds to be just a gimmick made to get people into the seats, not really a reflection of what we are to expect to see in the actual film, kinda like that awefully funny SAW 3D movie trailer....with all the knives and saws flying at you. Those shots are just to showcase and cater to the 3D gimmick, but thats not a reflection of the film itself. I think what we are going to see with TRON and Narnia is just that, shiny cool things moving and "transforming"...but if it's the footage they showed in...where was it, Italy? Well I doubt it will be actual fottage from the movie itself...just like the Mars Rover viral footage from the first film. But hopefully I'm wrong, and we do get an actually trailer. This week will tell.

~Josh


Exactly, and I still think that even though he's filming in 3D and standing up for his work, he still thinks that it's all a gimmick and he only filming in 3D because that's what the studio wants. So I'm sure that adds to the hard core sting.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 3D footage is total crap and can't be used. Michael Bay's method of filming and directing doesn't really fit with how a movie being filmed in 3D should be. I think that was also one of the reasons why he didn't support 3D. It's not like he's been pretty much living under the sea for 10 years making boring documentaries with 3D cameras and learning how to really film with them like a certain Avatar director. The studio should have just left him alone and film the movie in the way that he's comfortable filming it.
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1154393)
Posted by Zombie Starscream on December 6th, 2010 @ 10:32am CST
NuclearConvoy wrote:
Burn wrote:I'll be watching it in 2D because i've yet to find a pair of 3D glasses to fit over my prescription glasses, and I refuse to go out and pay for a fancy pair that do.


Same bloody problem I have, mate!
Thirded. Only it is because my eyes don't line up perfectly, so all I see is one blue area and one red area, and not the 3D 'effect.'
Re: Trouble in the 3rd Dimension for Transformers 3? (1154414)
Posted by MagnusRex on December 6th, 2010 @ 11:33am CST
As much as I liked Avatar, it was annoying to watch. The glasses the theater I went to supplied where huge and the way they sat on my nose made it hard for me to breath. I had to rasie them up every now and then just so I could breath in comfort.
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