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Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Sunday, April 26th, 2015 10:09PM CDT

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We recently got in hand images of Cyber Commander Optimus Prime, which is already out in Brazil, and now it is time to see some more from his 11 inch classmate, Bumblebee. Not only so we have some in hand images from TFW member Osenator, but he also provided a video detailing the articulation on the figure and how it differs from Optimus' articulation.

While these toys are currently available at Brazillian retail (both brick and mortar and online), there is still no current indication that these will be released elsewhere, aside from listings on Hasbro's main website in American dollars.



Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee

Transformers News: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee
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Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679740)
Posted by Seibertron on April 26th, 2015 @ 10:28pm CDT
Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679754)
Posted by MaverickPrime on April 26th, 2015 @ 11:08pm CDT
Just like he said, these are perfect for little kids, well, almost because like he also said, the lack of knees is inexcusable, they are big enough so the integrity and stability wouldn't be an issue, it's just a corner cut which sadly brings them down quite a bit, the designs are actuall very good, I love the headsculpt on Prime! But no knees at that size is a deal breaker.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679758)
Posted by Tsutsukakushi on April 26th, 2015 @ 11:17pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?


Speculating some sites will sell these.

Disappointed that Eleven Bumblebee has no bending knees. :-(

Plan to buyer Starscream, Megatron , Eleven Optimus and Eleven Bumblebee.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679760)
Posted by MartianSpyGirl1996 on April 26th, 2015 @ 11:35pm CDT
This is insulting towards children.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679762)
Posted by Ultra Markus on April 26th, 2015 @ 11:46pm CDT
i think they look good, robots look good, vehicles look good, simple to change and their big
not crazy about no knees though but i can overlook that, they make up for being not stupid looking
like some of the 1 step or 3 step or flip n change. cyber series looks like a winner
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679764)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on April 27th, 2015 @ 12:00am CDT
I can see these doing well with little kids, say around 5 or 6. Nothing too complex, nice size, and looks sturdy enough that they can drop it and bash it around a bit without 40 small parts popping out of ball sockets.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679771)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 27th, 2015 @ 1:07am CDT
Seibertron wrote:Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?


I've tried doing every conceivable search possible for these. I can't find them. FYI there is no eBay Brazil either.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679782)
Posted by Zeedust on April 27th, 2015 @ 2:27am CDT
Black Bumblebee wrote:I can see these doing well with little kids, say around 5 or 6. Nothing too complex, nice size, and looks sturdy enough that they can drop it and bash it around a bit without 40 small parts popping out of ball sockets.


I still think that if this is meant as the kiddie line, the toys would bear more of a resemblance to what the kids would have seen recently, rather than G1, which matters more to the grown-ups. Since they'd have to pay licensing fees for the movie bots, that'd probably mean toys loosely based on the various offshoots of Alligned continuity. But I'm not a marketing expert, so what do I know?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679792)
Posted by BlueBefore on April 27th, 2015 @ 5:10am CDT
"Why couldn't it be just like a leader class figure!!!" because it is 4/9ths the price.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I still think that if this is meant as the kiddie line, the toys would bear more of a resemblance to what the kids would have seen recently, rather than G1, which matters more to the grown-ups. Since they'd have to pay licensing fees for the movie bots, that'd probably mean toys loosely based on the various offshoots of Aligned continuity. But I'm not a marketing expert, so what do I know?

I don't know Bumblebee looks quite modern. Parents are reminded of the fun they had with their transformers toys and naturally buy them for their kids. The Dollar General legion class figures are a good example of this.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:This is insulting towards children.

No it just makes you upset because you suffer from immense privilege.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679794)
Posted by TimothyR on April 27th, 2015 @ 6:07am CDT
BlueBefore wrote:"Why couldn't it be just like a leader class figure!!!" because it is 4/9ths the price.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I still think that if this is meant as the kiddie line, the toys would bear more of a resemblance to what the kids would have seen recently, rather than G1, which matters more to the grown-ups. Since they'd have to pay licensing fees for the movie bots, that'd probably mean toys loosely based on the various offshoots of Aligned continuity. But I'm not a marketing expert, so what do I know?

I don't know Bumblebee looks quite modern. Parents are reminded of the fun they had with their transformers toys and naturally buy them for their kids. The Dollar General legion class figures are a good example of this.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:This is insulting towards children.

No it just makes you upset because you suffer from immense privilege.


"Immense privilege" has nothing to do with this.

Immense greed is more like it. Look at most of the transformers.. The greed is sadly obvious.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679795)
Posted by Allenspurs on April 27th, 2015 @ 6:11am CDT
TimothyR wrote:
BlueBefore wrote:"Why couldn't it be just like a leader class figure!!!" because it is 4/9ths the price.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I still think that if this is meant as the kiddie line, the toys would bear more of a resemblance to what the kids would have seen recently, rather than G1, which matters more to the grown-ups. Since they'd have to pay licensing fees for the movie bots, that'd probably mean toys loosely based on the various offshoots of Aligned continuity. But I'm not a marketing expert, so what do I know?

I don't know Bumblebee looks quite modern. Parents are reminded of the fun they had with their transformers toys and naturally buy them for their kids. The Dollar General legion class figures are a good example of this.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:This is insulting towards children.

No it just makes you upset because you suffer from immense privilege.


"Immense privilege" has nothing to do with this.

Immense greed is more like it. Look at most of the transformers.. The greed is sadly obvious.




Greed? You are aware hasbro is a business not a charity?

It's simply design and build a toy then sell it, if it's not wanted it won't sell, if it does sell then they have rightly released a line of toys in demand.

Greed?? What a strange way of looking at it...
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679796)
Posted by Emerje on April 27th, 2015 @ 6:30am CDT
Kids really don't care about articulation. They don't equate articulation with fun like adults do. Power Rangers Zords have always been big sellers in Japan and the US and those usually don't have much more than shoulder articulation. Prime and Bee are contortionists compared to a Zord. As long as they do something fun, like transform, kids don't care.

I don't understand why people keep saying these figures are too G1 for kids. The only ones that really look G1 are 7" Prime and Starscream. 11" Prime and Bee look way more like their recent animated incarnations. About the only thing Bee has in common with G1 is the color and horns.

Emerje
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679802)
Posted by william-james88 on April 27th, 2015 @ 8:16am CDT
Also, we still dont know if these are even made for north american and eurasian markets since there is almost no evidence that ties them up to those markets. So speaking of voting with our wallets or that this is terrible for kids is kind of moot at this point since these might never make it to our shores anyway.

And I find that the more interesting angle with these. In recent years (we wont bring G1 into this), I am aware of Hasbro Asia exclusive releases (GDO, which did eventually find their way to the US), European exclusive releases (upscaled Prime cyberverse deluxes) and Canadian exclusives (Final wave of Beast Hunter Cyberverse Commanders and Predacon Rising Constructbot sets) as well as the First Edition Prime figures which had a super odd distribution pattern. But is there a precedent of Brazil exclusive lines? With the price of TFs there, it seems this is where Hasbro makes their biggest margins. The fact that it appeared at their toy show and none anywhere else is a pretty big red flag for me.

On another note, as far as simplified Transformers go, I think that Bumblebee is the best attempt so far. This is for the same market as that smash and change Optimus of last year and it is leagues better.

Side story: I was looking for some TFs at Toysrus and I saw a dad shopping for a 6 year old boy. He was totally clueless in the TF aisle. He had a budget of 20$ but wanted a nice big toy to give as a present. He was clearly baffled by what little 20$ could get him (good thing he wasnt in the Marvel aisle) and he didnt want a small deluxe since it makes an unimpressive present. I asked him if his kid cared for articulation and he said "of course not", so I pointed him towards the Hyperchange Grimlock figure which was on sale at 19.99$ (canadian). Big toy, not too expensive, easy to transform, it was a win for him. I would have much preffered to point him to one of these Cyber series figure if they were available.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679827)
Posted by shajaki on April 27th, 2015 @ 9:09am CDT
I think figured out the appeal of this line:
It looks decent. But the big draw is the pseudo-secrecy. We don't know much about them, where to get them, or even if we'll get them. Whats the actual strategy of this onlt being released and distributed in one overseas country? Is it some kinda test run?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679847)
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:17am CDT
In terms of designing, engineering, manufacturing and marketing figures that are made specifically 'to appeal to children', can we agree that the movie4 toys were a total flop? If the shelves at walmart are any indication, then hardly any of the 'made to appeal to children' figures moved at all. If they thought splitting the figure line with some made for older collectors, and some for children, was going to translate into equal sales and profitability, then they were grossly mistaken. I'm not sure what the actual sales numbers were, but seeing all those dusty, battered and bent movie4 packages still on the shelf after all this time - it's just sad.

The movie is long over and done with, gone from theaters, the DVD release long past. But the shelves at Target, Wal-mart and all the major brick and mortar retailers are still choked with tons of Movie4 One-Steps, Power Punch, Sparkers, and all the other movie4 crap that was made to 'appeal to the kiddies'. That's not even to mention the 'Titan' class shampoo bottle figures. They're just wasting shelf space that could be used for more Generations/CW figures, which (unlike the movie line) are selling like hotcakes. I say send all the Movie4 'made for kiddies' garbage back to China, recycle them and reclaim the plastic for more Combiner Wars figures.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679917)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 27th, 2015 @ 1:54pm CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:In terms of designing, engineering, manufacturing and marketing figures that are made specifically 'to appeal to children', can we agree that the movie4 toys were a total flop? If the shelves at walmart are any indication, then hardly any of the 'made to appeal to children' figures moved at all. If they thought splitting the figure line with some made for older collectors, and some for children, was going to translate into equal sales and profitability, then they were grossly mistaken. I'm not sure what the actual sales numbers were, but seeing all those dusty, battered and bent movie4 packages still on the shelf after all this time - it's just sad.

The movie is long over and done with, gone from theaters, the DVD release long past. But the shelves at Target, Wal-mart and all the major brick and mortar retailers are still choked with tons of Movie4 One-Steps, Power Punch, Sparkers, and all the other movie4 crap that was made to 'appeal to the kiddies'. That's not even to mention the 'Titan' class shampoo bottle figures. They're just wasting shelf space that could be used for more Generations/CW figures, which (unlike the movie line) are selling like hotcakes. I say send all the Movie4 'made for kiddies' garbage back to China, recycle them and reclaim the plastic for more Combiner Wars figures.


I cannot agree since the basic movie toys; one-steps, power battlers, are far and away my most watched reviews. In fact they continue to get more views than anything from CW or RID. Just looking at those numbers CW and RID are failures not the simplified toys
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679922)
Posted by william-james88 on April 27th, 2015 @ 2:03pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:[

I cannot agree since the basic movie toys; one-steps, power battlers, are far and away my most watched reviews. In fact they continue to get more views than anything from CW or RID. Just looking at those numbers CW and RID are failures not the simplified toys


I will also add that while yes they are still present in stores, those are just remnants. Hasbro made a ton of these and they sold. I see the left overs no different than the leftover Beast Hunter Arcee figures my Toysrus still have. And I do not think this means in any way that the deluxe Prime toys were unwanted garbage.

Also, Smash and Change Optimus and Flip and Change Grimlock are sold out all across every store I go to. Does that make them a major hit to you or no?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679948)
Posted by Cobotron on April 27th, 2015 @ 3:15pm CDT
I really wish the users in here without children, or little to no experience with children, would stop assuming they know what is good for children. Maybe kids ages 4 to 7 could handle slightly more complex transformers toys based on intellect, but you have to take more into consideration than that. There are all kinds of aspects to mental and physical development in children. And every child develops at a different rate. Other than intelligence, two more that come in to play with Transformers are motor skills and attention span.

These toys are perfect for that age group. I have a 3year old daughter. One of her best friends, a boy, is just nuts for transformers. We just went to his 4th birthday party last weekend. We got him 1 step Steeljaw. He flipped. Why? Because he has Warrior Steeljaw, and it drives him crazy that he can't TF it.
I have also seen him get bored with one steps and he always goes straight to his Rescue Bots that are slightly more complex than the one steppers. He also got Generations Springer. He had absolutely no interest in that toy.
This new line finds a perfect in between. They have an interesting TF that is challenging to their developmental level, and it will help them to develop and grow their motor skills, problem solving, and patience.

I really hope this line makes it here. I think it's perfect for the kids I know and who are into Transformers. IF they do, Uncle Cobotron is gonna make Santa Klaus look like a chump to my nephew. :lol:
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679963)
Posted by william-james88 on April 27th, 2015 @ 3:50pm CDT
Totally agree Cobotron. A lot of us here grew up on G1, G2 or Beast Wars and none of those were overly complex. Thats why we have such fond memories of transformers in our youth. While Transformer toys have gotten more complex over the years, we still need to have some simpler toys (like we had when we were younger) for kids to get into the brand and have fun with it. If I had it my way, I would give every 5 year old in the world a G2 Dreadwing so they could fall in love with the brand as I did. But thats just not possible right now. Maybe that 4 year old would also like those hyperchange transformers? Thats the one I recomended that father at the store, he was glad to have it as an option.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679965)
Posted by Cobotron on April 27th, 2015 @ 3:56pm CDT
Thanks Will.
You know what TFs the little boy I mentioned and my nephew go straight for when there here in my house?
anything Legion class, and Cybertron. They lone Cybertron. Big, beefy, and easy to transform. Just like this new line.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679966)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on April 27th, 2015 @ 3:57pm CDT
I don't remember any toy I enjoyed in my childhood being as simplistic as the 1 step changers but many G1 toys had very simple transformations and I'm okay with that.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679976)
Posted by william-james88 on April 27th, 2015 @ 4:17pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:Thanks Will.
You know what TFs the little boy I mentioned and my nephew go straight for when there here in my house?
anything Legion class, and Cybertron. They lone Cybertron. Big, beefy, and easy to transform. Just like this new line.


YES Cybertron! But you know, that toyline had some amazing designs. They might have been big and beefy but the style was through the roof and very Takara/Japanese. But you know, the combiner wars deluxes are as complex as that line, so they may be into those (the Stunticons have similar transformations to Hotshot, but Hotshot had feet so that's a plus for him).

I know I gave my 10 year old cousin Windblade for her birthday and she told me she'd rather keep it in robot mode after the painfully tried to transform her into a jet. Her favourite is Cybertron Leader Optimus. She loves how fun and easy he is to transform and yet how each mode is drastically different from one to the next. She feels a great sense of accomplishment while having no frustration. That is a really tough thing to pull off and Takara had done it.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679978)
Posted by Cobotron on April 27th, 2015 @ 4:24pm CDT
NuclearConvoy wrote:I don't remember any toy I enjoyed in my childhood being as simplistic as the 1 step changers but many G1 toys had very simple transformations and I'm okay with that.
Good.
To clarify I'm not advocating for one steppers.
But to advocate for the devil...

Image

My Dad brought these home from Toy Fair for me when I was 11 or 12. I loved them! But there is something cooler about these than today's one steppers. Motorized? Articulation? Shiny blasters? Why are these cooler?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679980)
Posted by william-james88 on April 27th, 2015 @ 4:28pm CDT
I like how the front of the ship disappears behind the legs. I have fun with these and the motorized part is neat. But today's one steps are pretty fun too. I really liked one step Helicopter Drift. Its also the only original mold for Drift's mode in the whole AOE toyline.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679983)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 27th, 2015 @ 4:46pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:
NuclearConvoy wrote:I don't remember any toy I enjoyed in my childhood being as simplistic as the 1 step changers but many G1 toys had very simple transformations and I'm okay with that.
Good.
To clarify I'm not advocating for one steppers.
But to advocate for the devil...

Image

My Dad brought these home from Toy Fair for me when I was 11 or 12. I loved them! But there is something cooler about these than today's one steppers. Motorized? Articulation? Shiny blasters? Why are these cooler?


Simple, characterization. You knew who they were, and why they did what they did from the bio cards on the back. Hasbro has really forgotten just how important fully fleshed out bios can be.

william-james88 wrote:I like how the front of the ship disappears behind the legs. I have fun with these and the motorized part is neat. But today's one steps are pretty fun too. I really liked one step Helicopter Drift. Its also the only original mold for Drift's mode in the whole AOE toyline.


I have to say that mold and Galvatron, are my favorite One-Step changers from the line. I hope we see that Helicopter re-used down the line.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1679995)
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 27th, 2015 @ 5:08pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I cannot agree since the basic movie toys; one-steps, power battlers, are far and away my most watched reviews. In fact they continue to get more views than anything from CW or RID. Just looking at those numbers CW and RID are failures not the simplified toys


As I said, I'm not sure what the actual sales numbers are on the 'for kiddies' movie4 toys. But I'm not sure that 'most viewed' reviews translates to 'cleaned up in actual sales'. It may be the viewers were just curious to see if it was worth it, saw the review, then said 'that's not for me'. Or it could be the reverse - we just don't know for sure unless we have the real numbers.

While the G1 figures were simpler - they were the most advanced for their time. Topspin and Twintwist didn't come out until after the G1 figures had been on the market for a couple of years. (I started collecting in 83 when I was just going into High School.) I suppose the 'one step' and other simplified movie4 stuff could be said to be the 2014/15 equivalent of Topspin and Twintwist.

I stopped collecting in 88 because the figures were becoming too blocky, too simple, and too garish. They moved from neat figures into gimmickry, with the target masters, headmasters and 'micro masters'. Possibly for the same reasons. Sales were down, and they wanted to rope in a new generation of younger buyers with flashier colors, simpler transformations, and neat-o gimmicks.

It didn't work then either. Sales continued to drop until the 90s, when they went to 'G2', which was mostly just the G1 figures with 90s day-glow paint jobs. The real Transformer renaissance didn't take place until the 'Classics' figures started coming out in the mid-2000s.

The CW line DOES actually have simpler transformations, at least compared to some of the movie 'advanced' figures. The deluxes and voyagers are comparatively simple and fun, compared to say, Evasion Mode Optimus. You don't get the impression that you're trying to solve a puzzle when you transform the CW figures. I'm not sure what the review view ratio is compared to the sales ratio, but the CW figures are really hard to get from HTS, and even harder to find in stores because they sell out so fast.

Whereas you have your pick of the movie4 simplified toys, which have tons left unsold.

Make of that what you will...
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680025)
Posted by Zeedust on April 27th, 2015 @ 6:32pm CDT
shajaki wrote:I think figured out the appeal of this line:
It looks decent. But the big draw is the pseudo-secrecy. We don't know much about them, where to get them, or even if we'll get them. Whats the actual strategy of this onlt being released and distributed in one overseas country? Is it some kinda test run?


I'm guessing that the draws are meant to be that they're simpler to transform and they're bigger than the other Transformers that you could get for the same price.

Emerje wrote:I don't understand why people keep saying these figures are too G1 for kids. The only ones that really look G1 are 7" Prime and Starscream. 11" Prime and Bee look way more like their recent animated incarnations. About the only thing Bee has in common with G1 is the color and horns.


Grimlock looks pretty G1 other than color, and Megatron looks like G1 Megs other than being a tank rather than a gun (for obvious reasons), carm cannon, color scheme, G1-style head.

I guess what I meant to say is that I'm just surprised they're drawing so heavily on G1 in a toyline meant for those who weren't born until after it ended. I did not in any way mean to imply children wouldn't enjoy these, just that I'm surprised they're not also drawing on more recent sources for characters.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680048)
Posted by shajaki on April 27th, 2015 @ 7:27pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:
shajaki wrote:I think figured out the appeal of this line:
It looks decent. But the big draw is the pseudo-secrecy. We don't know much about them, where to get them, or even if we'll get them. Whats the actual strategy of this only being released and distributed in one overseas country? Is it some kinda test run?
I'm guessing that the draws are meant to be that they're simpler to transform and they're bigger than the other Transformers that you could get for the same price.
I meant the draw for US. I understand these are meant for kids, but as I mentioned earlier there's a strange amount of attention being paid to this thread.

And by strategy, I meant why they're only being released in... what.. Brazil? And nowhere else?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680076)
Posted by Stryfe Convoy on April 27th, 2015 @ 9:34pm CDT
BlueBefore wrote:"Why couldn't it be just like a leader class figure!!!" because it is 4/9ths the price.


Not too sure about the 4/9ths the price there. He said it cost him 120 Brazilian dollars or 50 Canadian dollars in the video, which is around 41 US dollars. That's only, what, 5 to 9 dollars cheaper than a leader class toy? I just paid 45ish for CW leader class Megatron, in a K-Mart no less, so we'll call it a 4 dollar difference. There's not enough of a price difference to explain the lack of features for these toys. No weapons. No knee articulation. The articulation in the elbows isn't even consistent between molds, as shown in this video. It's 11 inches of a Rescue Bot that the guy paid leader class money for.

This Cyber series would be a great kids line, just like Rescue Bots, and why you might ask? Because that's who Hasbro want's to sell these toys to, the kids, or more appropriately, the kid's parents, who don't want to sit there and transform the toy every time their child picks it up. But not at that price.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 27th, 2015 @ 9:54pm CDT
In Brazil, unless the thing is made locally, everything get hit with some heavy taxes. That's why the PS4 sell for like, 2000$US over there. It dosent mean it's worth that much for real.
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Posted by Stryfe Convoy on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:07pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:In Brazil, unless the thing is made locally, everything get hit with some heavy taxes. That's why the PS4 sell for like, 2000$US over there. It dosent mean it's worth that much for real.


Huh, didn't know that. and judging by the fact that I got my PS4 for $400 US, that is a lot of tax. That sucks. Still not sure about these toys though. Oh well, to each their own...
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680086)
Posted by BlueBefore on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:15pm CDT
Stryfe Convoy wrote:
BlueBefore wrote:"Why couldn't it be just like a leader class figure!!!" because it is 4/9ths the price.


Not too sure about the 4/9ths the price there. He said it cost him 120 Brazilian dollars or 50 Canadian dollars in the video, which is around 41 US dollars. That's only, what, 5 to 9 dollars cheaper than a leader class toy? I just paid 45ish for CW leader class Megatron, in a K-Mart no less, so we'll call it a 4 dollar difference. There's not enough of a price difference to explain the lack of features for these toys. No weapons. No knee articulation. The articulation in the elbows isn't even consistent between molds, as shown in this video. It's 11 inches of a Rescue Bot that the guy paid leader class money for.

This Cyber series would be a great kids line, just like Rescue Bots, and why you might ask? Because that's who Hasbro want's to sell these toys to, the kids, or more appropriately, the kid's parents, who don't want to sit there and transform the toy every time their child picks it up. But not at that price.


Please do some actual research before commenting and stop wasting people's time. http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... med/32647/
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680096)
Posted by Stryfe Convoy on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:42pm CDT
BlueBefore wrote:
Stryfe Convoy wrote:
BlueBefore wrote:"Why couldn't it be just like a leader class figure!!!" because it is 4/9ths the price.


Not too sure about the 4/9ths the price there. He said it cost him 120 Brazilian dollars or 50 Canadian dollars in the video, which is around 41 US dollars. That's only, what, 5 to 9 dollars cheaper than a leader class toy? I just paid 45ish for CW leader class Megatron, in a K-Mart no less, so we'll call it a 4 dollar difference. There's not enough of a price difference to explain the lack of features for these toys. No weapons. No knee articulation. The articulation in the elbows isn't even consistent between molds, as shown in this video. It's 11 inches of a Rescue Bot that the guy paid leader class money for.

This Cyber series would be a great kids line, just like Rescue Bots, and why you might ask? Because that's who Hasbro want's to sell these toys to, the kids, or more appropriately, the kid's parents, who don't want to sit there and transform the toy every time their child picks it up. But not at that price.


Please do some actual research before commenting and stop wasting people's time. http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... med/32647/


Not wasting everyone's time, I just quoted the video. You know, the video that was the whole start of this thread? You should try watching it, while you make snide remarks about other people's opinions. We are allowed to share our opinions, right? This shit is why I don't like posting in the forums in the first place. I don't recall trying to attack you, Blue. I was just pointing out what was said in the video. Let's leave it at that.

Back on topic, I can see buying these for 20 dollars a piece for the nephews to play with. Assuming they are still coming to the states, as I've read earlier in this thread, that seems to be a concern. Either way... meh
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680105)
Posted by shajaki on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:49pm CDT
There's 17 pages in this thread, and I'm going to guess most people haven't read every post. Blue, you could have dropped the same post only politely and informatively. Let's try to respect one another shall we?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680106)
Posted by william-james88 on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:53pm CDT
The start of this thread is page 1. The video news landed you here so you could be part of the latest conversation but this is still part of the Cyber Series thread which contains the previous known info on the products such as the prices found on Hasbro's website.

Also, back to the whole G1 aesthatic, this feels to me more like a combination of G1 and movies, just like Prime tried to do. The Megatron feels like the Megatron from the recent WFC video games (which is a cross between G1 and ROTF) and Grimlock feels like the G1 Dino with the snout of RID 2015 and the colors of the AOE toy. It's actually really smart design that brings in old and new fans together. I am still just really surprised by how low key this whole thing is.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680108)
Posted by Cobotron on April 27th, 2015 @ 10:57pm CDT
william-james88 wrote: this feels to me more like a combination of G1 and movies
Yup. I see dat.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680128)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 28th, 2015 @ 1:57am CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I cannot agree since the basic movie toys; one-steps, power battlers, are far and away my most watched reviews. In fact they continue to get more views than anything from CW or RID. Just looking at those numbers CW and RID are failures not the simplified toys


As I said, I'm not sure what the actual sales numbers are on the 'for kiddies' movie4 toys. But I'm not sure that 'most viewed' reviews translates to 'cleaned up in actual sales'. It may be the viewers were just curious to see if it was worth it, saw the review, then said 'that's not for me'. Or it could be the reverse - we just don't know for sure unless we have the real numbers.

While the G1 figures were simpler - they were the most advanced for their time. Topspin and Twintwist didn't come out until after the G1 figures had been on the market for a couple of years. (I started collecting in 83 when I was just going into High School.) I suppose the 'one step' and other simplified movie4 stuff could be said to be the 2014/15 equivalent of Topspin and Twintwist.

I stopped collecting in 88 because the figures were becoming too blocky, too simple, and too garish. They moved from neat figures into gimmickry, with the target masters, headmasters and 'micro masters'. Possibly for the same reasons. Sales were down, and they wanted to rope in a new generation of younger buyers with flashier colors, simpler transformations, and neat-o gimmicks.

It didn't work then either. Sales continued to drop until the 90s, when they went to 'G2', which was mostly just the G1 figures with 90s day-glow paint jobs. The real Transformer renaissance didn't take place until the 'Classics' figures started coming out in the mid-2000s.

The CW line DOES actually have simpler transformations, at least compared to some of the movie 'advanced' figures. The deluxes and voyagers are comparatively simple and fun, compared to say, Evasion Mode Optimus. You don't get the impression that you're trying to solve a puzzle when you transform the CW figures. I'm not sure what the review view ratio is compared to the sales ratio, but the CW figures are really hard to get from HTS, and even harder to find in stores because they sell out so fast.

Whereas you have your pick of the movie4 simplified toys, which have tons left unsold.

Make of that what you will...


I don't know the view to sales ratio either but what I can share is my most watched CW video is Air Raid with over 4,000 views, compared to Power Battler Prime which has over 160,000 views. Keep in mind the average number of views my TF reviews get is roughly 2,000. AOE simple toy reviews average 4,000 with most over 10,000. Another bit of info for the period of March 16th-April 15th, which was the most recent earnings cycle, out of my top 10 videos only 2 were non movie toys, but they were the RID One-Step wave 2 figures and Hyperchange Prime.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680193)
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 28th, 2015 @ 10:32am CDT
I admit, I'm curious. Does each video view/review count as a 'buyer'? Or is it just people who want to check out the figure to see if it's worth buying or not?

For my part, I haven't needed the video reviews to help make up my mind whether or not to buy the CW figures, I know I'm buying them :)
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680194)
Posted by BlueBefore on April 28th, 2015 @ 10:39am CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:I admit, I'm curious. Does each video view/review count as a 'buyer'? Or is it just people who want to check out the figure to see if it's worth buying or not?


I'd say it's more the latter. I've watched chuckdawg1999's videos and bought 5 one steps. Though I was already into Rescue Bots at the time so I wouldn't say it's a causative relationship.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680197)
Posted by william-james88 on April 28th, 2015 @ 10:54am CDT
The idea of a review at the root is to give information to potential buyers. That's why I despise heavily sponsored reviews since that just becomes like a commercial for the product.

So while the amount of times a review is watched might not directly translate into sales numbers, it is obvious that the amount of times a review is seen is directly related to the interest on these figures. If nobody cared (which is what is insinuated with the comments on these toys being worthless and shelfwarming) then no one would be watching the videos. But it seems people were very interested by those figures.

I myself have bought one of these simplified figures, I know Cobotron and Kanrabat have done so too, and I am sure many other people on these boards have bought some simplified figures as well.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680200)
Posted by Cobotron on April 28th, 2015 @ 11:16am CDT
I often look at reviews after a purchase to see if I am transforming something right.

I new after seeing Chuck's review of RID15 Warrior Drift, I would be buying him. I would have probably got him anyway because I like the line, but the review definitely solidified my decision. Chuck and others are usually very helpful with discovering things like weapons storage, and anything else that is left out of the instructions.

My point, there are lots of good reasons to watch video reviews.

This might make a good thread topic, "What do you get out of video reviews?"
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680203)
Posted by Stryfe Convoy on April 28th, 2015 @ 11:26am CDT
I like watching the reviews, simply because most of the time, the reviews come out before the toys hit the shelves in my area. I can tell if I'm going to like it or not by seeing it in motion. It's nice to have something to look at in case I have a problem with the transformation as well. Though recently, that's mostly the 3rd party stuff, but anyways...
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680224)
Posted by NuclearConvoy on April 28th, 2015 @ 1:37pm CDT
Yeah, I have the same feelings about reviews.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680231)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 28th, 2015 @ 2:28pm CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:I admit, I'm curious. Does each video view/review count as a 'buyer'? Or is it just people who want to check out the figure to see if it's worth buying or not?

For my part, I haven't needed the video reviews to help make up my mind whether or not to buy the CW figures, I know I'm buying them :)


I don't look at views counting as buyers, I think of it as a general portrait of interest. I've been doing video reviews since DOTM and I've seen peaks and valleys in views the line up with interest in the brand. Keep in mind a larger reviewer who has 10,000 plus subscribers can't really see this since they have enough habitual viewers that they wouldn't notice a dip here and there. I think in my case the views came from people baffled by the horrible instructions on the packaging and curiosity in the figures. Personally if I were to get say 11" Optimus Prime to review, I don't expect it to do more than 2K views, that's if it gets front paged. The casual fans who are only into the movies aren't looking at the TF brand now so they're searching less on YouTube for related content.

I am very curious if what was speculated on in another post is true, is Brazil a emerging market for Transformers? I was under the impression the economically they can't sustain leisure pursuits such as toy collecting. Fascinating times.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680233)
Posted by william-james88 on April 28th, 2015 @ 2:36pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
I am very curious if what was speculated on in another post is true, is Brazil a emerging market for Transformers? I was under the impression the economically they can't sustain leisure pursuits such as toy collecting. Fascinating times.


They are definitely considered emerging markets. Their middle class is growing every year, and more and more people are able to spend more money on leisure activities. Same with India, China and Russia. Other countries are still stuck with only dollar store KOs though, like Vietnam.

What I dont get is the how expensive imports in Brazil are. Imports seem to be about twice as much as the price they cost in north america. Does that mega premium go to the government or do the exporters get some of that crazy money?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1680237)
Posted by mtma on April 28th, 2015 @ 2:48pm CDT
Well, actually our problem here in Brazil is basically corruption. Every single politician takes out money from public projects and other stuff for themselves.

This eventually leads to taxes rising, because there is not enough money to maintain the country itself.

Hasbro has been very... Irregular when it comes to releasing Transformers here, so I'm impressed there's al ine onl we are getting. IT still doesn't make me happy because CW wave 1 deluxes are not coming here ._.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1681505)
Posted by Kyleor on May 2nd, 2015 @ 9:11am CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?


I've tried doing every conceivable search possible for these. I can't find them. FYI there is no eBay Brazil either.


Did you do searches in Portuguese?
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1681655)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 2nd, 2015 @ 4:36pm CDT
Kyleor wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?


I've tried doing every conceivable search possible for these. I can't find them. FYI there is no eBay Brazil either.


Did you do searches in Portuguese?


That I did not. I only speak English and I'd be very hesitant to do business with a non English site.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1681686)
Posted by Kyleor on May 2nd, 2015 @ 5:59pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?


I've tried doing every conceivable search possible for these. I can't find them. FYI there is no eBay Brazil either.


Did you do searches in Portuguese?


That I did not. I only speak English and I'd be very hesitant to do business with a non English site.


Finding is half the battle.
Re: Video Review and In Hand Images for Transformers Generations Cyber Commander 11 inch Bumblebee (1681708)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on May 2nd, 2015 @ 7:00pm CDT
Kyleor wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Kyleor wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Are these up on eBay or somewhere I can purchase them yet so that I can do proper galleries of these for Seibertron.com?


I've tried doing every conceivable search possible for these. I can't find them. FYI there is no eBay Brazil either.


Did you do searches in Portuguese?


That I did not. I only speak English and I'd be very hesitant to do business with a non English site.


Finding is half the battle.


No, half the battle is red lasers. The other half is blue. Trust me I'm an expert.

Seriously though, are you trying to tell us something? Links would help.

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