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Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor?

Transformers News: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor?

Sunday, September 1st, 2013 11:03AM CDT

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Seibertron.com member Mindmaster has found a piece of potential juiciy news, originally posted by DecepticusPrime on fellow fansite TFW2005. Check it out below, and leave your thought in the Energon Pub!

Mindmaster wrote:While working at his job in Wal*Mart, TFW2005 user DecepticusPrime found a rather interesting find; possible Deluxes of Rattrap, Nightbeat, Crosscut, and Tankor!

was messing around the system at work this morning(walmart) and saw these listed in the deluxe assortment
Rattrap, Nightbe(at i assume), tankor, and Crosscu(t i assume)

551716976-crosscut
551716975-tankor
551716974-rattrap
551716973-nightbeat


According to the user, he says they were cross-referenced with the IDW Generations: Thrilling 30 line.
Credit(s): Mindmaster, DecepticusPrime
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Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515092)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 1st, 2013 @ 11:19am CDT
Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515099)
Posted by First-Aid on September 1st, 2013 @ 11:41am CDT
Generations Ratrap?? Fer bootin' up cold...!

Seriously, that's pretty awesome.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515105)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 1st, 2013 @ 12:02pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?


When I was proposing my theory, I also hit the same snag. But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.


Ehh, maybe. I could see them doing a Tankor first, then, knowing how lazy Hasbro can be sometimes, they can redeco it into Grindcore.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515112)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 1st, 2013 @ 12:17pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.
If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515113)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 1st, 2013 @ 12:23pm CDT
Bumblevivisector wrote:
Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.
If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?


How about the laser pistol that was used in the cartoon? Or maybe one of his explosives that he also used often in the cartoon? ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515116)
Posted by Prime Evil on September 1st, 2013 @ 12:32pm CDT
I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515124)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 1st, 2013 @ 12:44pm CDT
Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html


Is it coincidence that I was just looking at that gallery not even a minute ago? :shock:
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515127)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 1st, 2013 @ 12:56pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Bumblevivisector wrote:
Mindmaster wrote: But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Skywarp, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.
If true, then the only way this year could get any better for Beast Wars news is if someone came up with a treatment to permanently counteract the Transmetal chrome flaking problem!

Of course, a deluxe Rattrap sounds like he might be a tad too big. Maybe we'll see a new spin on the ol' package-someone-with-a-downed-traffic-light trick? Some actual garbage to munch? His collection of Waspinator parts?


How about the laser pistol that was used in the cartoon? Or maybe one of his explosives that he also used often in the cartoon? ;)
I was assuming the gun is a given, but neither of those examples would take up enough space to get a scout-sized Rattrap into deluxe packaging, much like Animated Prowl's shuriken (and he wasn't even Scout-y, just skinny). Maybe if they threw in a dozen of those bombs, but did he ever use more than 2 at once on the show, 1 in each forearm?

As for Nightbeat, that example looks awesome...but dammit, I still want a Nightbeat with not only his Marvel head, but G1 character model chest! To The Pit with IDW considerations!
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515131)
Posted by Prime Evil on September 1st, 2013 @ 1:07pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html


Is it coincidence that I was just looking at that gallery not even a minute ago? :shock:


Coincidence or did i mind control Mindmaster?!?!?! ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515135)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on September 1st, 2013 @ 1:31pm CDT
If those listings are true, then we pretty much have the whole line-up for the coming year, give or take. We now have 17 Deluxes, which is a good size for the year (Prime had 14 and 16 Deluxes, FoC Generations had 18).
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515138)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 1st, 2013 @ 1:38pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If those listings are true, then we pretty much have the whole line-up for the coming year, give or take. We now have 17 Deluxes, which is a good size for the year (Prime had 14 and 16 Deluxes, FoC Generations had 18).


I remember reading sometime last year that Generations would receive up to at least forty toys. Including the Fall of Cybertron Deluxes and Voyagers, and the the Thrilling 30 Voyagers, we've got just about forty five in total (may have forgotten a couple Voyagers). I'd say we received much love for us Classics-lovers. :lol:
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515152)
Posted by Dead Metal on September 1st, 2013 @ 2:37pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Tankor may very well be the Beast Machines character, but isn't it odd to release Beast Wars Rhinox along with his future self at the same time in completely different size classes? Is a rhino bigger than a cybertronian tank?

Here's a weird idea. Maybe this new Tankor is IDW Grindcore? Think about it. We've already got tons of IDW inspired figures coming out, and Grindcore is another "new" character created for the IDW Generation 1 comics. Also, Grindcore has a tank alt-mode, and he's apparently repurposed from the Takara Transformers United EX line "Tankmaster" (or visa versa?). Why not call him Grindcore, then? Maybe trademark reasons, although, Gridcore was a name for a movie line Autobot (redeco of Cybertron Landmine). Maybe the name is unobtainable now, or Hasbro doesn't want confusion with his faction due to earlier use of the name Gridcore for the Autobots? Why use Tankor? Seems to be a goto name for Hasbro these past several years when nothing else will work. It could also be an attempt to bridge the character with Tankmaster from United EX.

There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.

I do believe tanker is the Beast Machines guy.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515153)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 1st, 2013 @ 2:41pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.


Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515154)
Posted by Dead Metal on September 1st, 2013 @ 2:47pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.


Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515161)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 1st, 2013 @ 3:06pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.


Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.


Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue. Admittedly, he's not being produced with his IDW body, as he's a repaint of Generations Blitzwing. Still, being dead doesn't stop a toy from being made. How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515165)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 1st, 2013 @ 3:15pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue.
Yeah, but he appeared in the IDW comics well before his own spotlight issue, making on and off recurring appearances before his death at the end of in his spotlight.

Wolfman Jake wrote:How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?
Cliffjumper also starred in the four-issue Prime graphic novel that came out more than a month before the cartoon's first episode premiered.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515166)
Posted by Supreme Convoy on September 1st, 2013 @ 3:18pm CDT
Oh man. I would love a new version of Nightbeat!
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515176)
Posted by Dead Metal on September 1st, 2013 @ 4:01pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:There's is one problem, Grimdcore is like super dead right now, as in he died shortly after his debut in 2008.


Eh, hasn't stopped Hasbro in the past.

It would still be weird for them to make a toy based on a character that showed up for a few pannels in one comic, and hasn't shown up for 5 years due to being dead.


Although, we are getting Double Dealer very soon, who died in his very own spotlight issue. Admittedly, he's not being produced with his IDW body, as he's a repaint of Generations Blitzwing. Still, being dead doesn't stop a toy from being made. How many toys did Prime Cliffjumper get AFTER he died 5 minutes into the series premiere?

Here's the differences:
Doubledealer is an established oldschool character
Doubledealer was a major character before his death
Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515184)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on September 1st, 2013 @ 4:26pm CDT
And silly me, we have a full 18 Deluxes this year. I forgot about the Mini-Con 3-pack. :oops:
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515185)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 1st, 2013 @ 4:28pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And silly me, we have a full 18 Deluxes this year. I forgot about the Mini-Con 3-pack. :oops:


Same here. So let me correct myself: 46 Generations toys.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515186)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 1st, 2013 @ 4:28pm CDT
Dead Metal wrote:Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).


Hasbro was probably close to making "that guy," lol. They were straining to extend the first movie line by the end, with unused concept characters, videogame drone fodder, new characters made up of various inanimate cars, planes, and objects seen in the movie, repaints of Armada, Cybertron, and Classics toys, AND "premium" repaints of the first wave of figures. "That guy" Megatron offlined probably had more reason to be in the toyline than most of the non-screen characters. ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515192)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on September 1st, 2013 @ 4:36pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).


Hasbro was probably close to making "that guy," lol. They were straining to extend the first movie line by the end, with unused concept characters, videogame drone fodder, new characters made up of various inanimate cars, planes, and objects seen in the movie, repaints of Armada, Cybertron, and Classics toys, AND "premium" repaints of the first wave of figures. "That guy" Megatron offlined probably had more reason to be in the toyline than most of the non-screen characters. ;)


Simon Furman revealed on his blog he created IDW Grindcore, simply because he liked the name. You can read that on his blog.
As such, Movie Grindcore and IDW Grindcore are completely unrelated. Heck, Movie Grindcore was inspired by the Japanese G1 Crush-Bull figure!
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515193)
Posted by Dead Metal on September 1st, 2013 @ 4:38pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Grindcore was only in that one issue to get killed off, he wasn't even a minor character, that's like making a toy based off of the guy Megatron killed in that one flashback of the movie (07).


Hasbro was probably close to making "that guy," lol. They were straining to extend the first movie line by the end, with unused concept characters, videogame drone fodder, new characters made up of various inanimate cars, planes, and objects seen in the movie, repaints of Armada, Cybertron, and Classics toys, AND "premium" repaints of the first wave of figures. "That guy" Megatron offlined probably had more reason to be in the toyline than most of the non-screen characters. ;)

Yes and all because they didn't have much to work with while stores demanded more, which is why they absorbed a few toys that where meant to be Classics into that line. That is also the reason why Prime Cliffjumper got so many toys, since there aren't many on-screen characters to work with.

Grindcore on the other hand is an idw guy, and there are sooooooooooooooooo many idw guys for Hasbro to choose from, why would they choose him over any of the actual characters, the guys who still show up today? And then rename him Tankor? What sense does that make?
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515204)
Posted by Sodan-1 on September 1st, 2013 @ 5:05pm CDT
If this is true, then I can hardly believe how many figures we're getting from this line. :DANCE:

I'm really looking forward to Nightbeat and Rattrap. If only all of the season 1 Beast Wars characters would make an appearance in the comics. :PRAY:
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515228)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 1st, 2013 @ 8:41pm CDT
Relax, Dead Metal. I know Grindcore is a longshot. I've not been defending my speculations so much as poking fun at Hasbro's weird and unpredictable behavior over the years. :)

JelZe, I wasn't talking about Grindcore at that point. I was talking about random dead Cybertronian/Autobot that Megatron killed in a flashback sequence. ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515241)
Posted by PrymeStriker on September 1st, 2013 @ 10:25pm CDT
If Rattrap's coming to us, this further proves the rumor(?) that those appearing in "Dark Cybertron," or at least the first issue's cover, are getting Thrilling 30 toys.

Image

I mean, we've already more than half of the characters on that cover.

And with that, I hope they close off the Deluxes with that Rodimus. Read T30 Trailcutter's censored spotlight from the pack-in today, I can't get over Rodimus' glorious character model.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515242)
Posted by Joetx on September 1st, 2013 @ 10:33pm CDT
Prime Evil wrote:I would love a nightbeat done like this:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons- ... tbeat.html


I could go for a Nightbeat version of that mold. I'm not getting the Bumblebee version, though. I have BB fatigue.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515245)
Posted by First-Aid on September 1st, 2013 @ 10:56pm CDT
"That Guy"...seems to be mentioned a lot...

...am I the only one having a Futurama flashback? "Remember the Safety Dance" That wasn't as safe as they said..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5WT3U0T_BQ
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515262)
Posted by Arctorro on September 2nd, 2013 @ 12:55am CDT
Bumblevivisector wrote:His collection of Waspinator parts?
If they included this I think my head would explode from the pure awesome of it :KREMZEEK:

It is certainly a good time to be a transformers collector :D
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515287)
Posted by Flux Convoy on September 2nd, 2013 @ 5:49am CDT
Really hoping Nightbeat resembles the work done by Cheets as well. Really looking forward to Rattrap too. One of my all time favorite characters from Transformers. I really hope they do him justice. I'll be happy to wait and see on the rest.
:BOT:
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515309)
Posted by 1984forever on September 2nd, 2013 @ 9:18am CDT
When can we expect these? I have a fetish for evil tanks. I know Walmart just can't be putting stuff in their computers a year in advance.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515429)
Posted by Manterax Prime on September 2nd, 2013 @ 9:43pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:When I was proposing my theory, I also hit the same snag. But then I remembered something: in the IDW comics, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge are separate characters from Megatron, Bombshell, and Thundercracker, respectively, as opposed to the traditional "Unicron upgraded these guys". So it's quite possible that in the IDW continuity, Rhinox and Tankor, like the aforementioned Decepticons, are separate characters.


Yeah, having them be seperate characters can cause a lot of confusion.

Also, fixed it for ya!
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515430)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2013 @ 9:54pm CDT
Manterax Prime wrote:Yeah, having them be seperate characters can cause a lot of confusion.
Not when this is a different continuity.

Bumblebee and Goldbug are equally separate characters as well (Bumblebee's recent "Goldfire" body upgrade even still has him going by the name "Bumblebee").
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515431)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 2nd, 2013 @ 9:58pm CDT
And technically, it was never said who became Cyclonus and who became "his Armada". So really, it's all just a matter of perspective. ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515433)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2013 @ 10:09pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:And technically, it was never said who became Cyclonus and who became "his Armada". So really, it's all just a matter of perspective. ;)
In the movie, at least. Other media works have given more certain answers, even though said answers vary. ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515434)
Posted by First-Aid on September 2nd, 2013 @ 10:12pm CDT
Oh noes...continuity talk! Stop it before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW27kyh7PVM

:BANG_HEAD:
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515445)
Posted by Delicon on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:17pm CDT
Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515446)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:25pm CDT
Delicon wrote:Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.
Technically, Galvatron's original toy bio (which predated his appearance in the more mainstream fiction) painted him up as being a new character who wanted to gain leadership of the Decepticons, had a rank of 9 (lower than Megatron's rank of 10), and is a City Commander (like Ultra Magnus).

I know, I know, that was likely done to keep the film's reformatting him from Megatron a surprise, but it's still officially published material. ;)
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515447)
Posted by Mindmaster on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:25pm CDT
Delicon wrote:Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.


Amusingly ironic, given the central theme of Transformers is "change". ;) :lol:

It doesn't bother me much, really. Like I say all the time, "different continuities, different rules". Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515448)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:39pm CDT
Delicon, here's how I reason it out in my own meta-continuity between IDW's G1 reboot and the original G1 cartoon/animated movie. Maybe it will help you feel better about IDW Galvatron. So, without further ado:

Consider that in both universes, the D-Void/The Darkness/Dead Universe and Unicron represent the same philosophical idea. Thanatos. Unlife. Death and destruction of the living. Unicron, in the cartoon, was created by some dude for some reason (see: "Call of the Primitives"). Maybe Unicron figures out how to tap into the Dead Universe as a power source? Maybe that's why he feeds so voraciously on planetary life. Instead of expanding the Darkness into the Universe, he's bringing the Universe to the Darkness? Or he's just mega hungry because he's an undead zombie from associating with the Dead Universe? The point is that, perhaps, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge were also ancient Cybertronians in the cartoon who were claimed by the Dead Universe. As Unicron uses Megatron and "the chassis of dead Decepticons" to form a strike force to seize the Matrix of Leadership from the Autobots, he remakes them in the image of Cybertronians he knows from his contact with the void. G1 Cartoon Megatron could be a facsimile of the original Galvatron who may have been lost to the void under similar circumstances eons ago. The same goes for Cyclonus and Scourge. If you like, you can take that as an additional reason that G1 cartoon Galvatron is crazy. Merging two different minds might do that to a person (persons?). Also interesting how the Matrix is the bane of both Unicron and the D-Void, huh? Almost like they're the same thing as far as the multiverse is concerned ;)

End of fan babbling.
Re: Wal*Mart Listings Tease New Generations Deluxes: Rattrap, Crosscut, Nightbeat, and Tankor? (1515449)
Posted by Delicon on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:39pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:
Delicon wrote:Am I the only one who really hates the IDWverse totally reinventing characters such as Galvatron?

I'm all for a little tweaking but I don't like it when they completely change who they are - in this case, literally.


Amusingly ironic, given the central theme of Transformers is "change". ;) :lol:

It doesn't bother me much, really. Like I say all the time, "different continuities, different rules". Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.


Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:40pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.
Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.
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Posted by Delicon on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:42pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Delicon, here's how I reason it out in my own meta continuity between IDW's G1 reboot and the original G1 cartoon/animated movie. Maybe it will help you feel better about IDW Galvatron. So, without further ado:

Consider that in both universes, the D-Void/The Darkness/Dead Universe and Unicron represent the same philosophical idea. Thanatos. Unlife. Death and destruction of the living. Unicron, in the cartoon, was created by some dude for some reason (see: "Call of the Primitives"). Maybe Unicron figures out how to tap into the Dead Universe as a power source? Maybe that's why he feeds so voraciously on planetary life. Instead of explanding the Darkness into the Universe, he's bringing the Universe to the Darkness? Or he's just mega hungry because he's an undead zombie from associating with the Dead Universe? The point is that, perhaps, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge were also ancient Cybertronians in the cartoon who were claimed by the Dead Universe. As Unicron uses Megatron and "the chasises of dead Decepticons" to form a strike force to seize the Matrix of Leadership from the Autobots, he remakes them in the image of Cybertronians he knows from his contact with the void. G1 Cartoon Megatron could be a faximile of the original Galvatron who may have been lost to the void under similar circumstances eons ago. The same goes for Cyclonus and Scourge. If you like, you can take that as an additional reason that G1 cartoon Galvatron is crazy. Merging two different minds might do that to a person (persons?). Also interesting how the Matrix is the bane of both Unicron and the D-Void, huh? Almost like they're the same thing as far as the multiverse is concerned ;)

End of fan babbling.


That was deep, dude. I still don't like IDW Galvy but you at least get a gold star from me for trying!
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:43pm CDT
Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.
It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.
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Posted by Delicon on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:46pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.
It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.


They were at least close enough. All but a few characters were virtually identical (Shockwave, Ratbat) in terms of overall character traits.
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:55pm CDT
Delicon wrote:That was deep, dude. I still don't like IDW Galvy but you at least get a gold star from me for trying!


Yay! Gold Star! :D

I noticed after the fact that my wall of text had a LOT of spelling errors. >.< Glad that didn't get in the way of the ideas being presented, though! FYI, I looked up the G1 episode "Call of the Primatives" just to confirm that "some dude's" name was Primacron, and "for some reason" was to rid the universe of life to have a perfect blank slate for experiments. Maybe Primacron build Unicron with the Dead Universe in mind? Anyway, I like how IDW is re-exploring the same themes of the G1 cartoon in very different ways. It just makes the whole 30 years so far that much richer, no matter the continuity.
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2013 @ 11:58pm CDT
Delicon wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Delicon wrote:Truthfully I hate all these stupid little universes, too. When you think about it, we really didn't have that until around R.I.D. came out, although some might argue Beast Machines contradicted too much established stuff to really fit in the G1 universe.
It was well before that. In the very beginning of the brand, when the Marvel comics and the Sunbow cartoon decided to ignore each other.


They were at least close enough. All but a few characters were virtually identical (Shockwave, Ratbat) in terms of overall character traits.
Character-wise, yeah, but the plots and events were virtually irreconcilable, so as to require that they be separate universes.

Though, with RiD being a new universe, that was thanks to the English dub. The Japanese version, Car Robots, was still a G1 series before it was brought over to the U.S.
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Posted by RAcast on September 4th, 2013 @ 8:10am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.
Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?
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Posted by Sabrblade on September 4th, 2013 @ 8:17am CDT
RAcast wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.
Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?
Optimal Optimus.
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Posted by Dead Metal on September 4th, 2013 @ 8:17am CDT
RAcast wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:Now, I understand uber, mega changes, say for instance, changing Optimus Prime from a truck to, say, a dopey little Model T. Then we can rant and rave about how much of a stupid idea that would be.
Is that really a thing to get worked up over, though? I mean, over 30 years of toys ans fiction, we've had "Optimus" (Prime, Primal, Minor, etc.) turn into flat-fronted trucks, long-nosed trucks, a Lamborghini, a bat, gorillas, a monkey, pickup trucks, Cybertronian trucks, shoes, Nissan GT-Rs, a Cybertronian race car, jets, fire trucks, a comet, a blaster, and much more.

I recognize all the rest, (that's an impressively full list by the way!)but what version of Optimus is a jet?

Cybertron/ Galaxy Force Optimus Prime had a flight mode, basically you flip out the wings of his super-mode while in "firetruck" mode and you have a flying "firetruck".

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