Transformers and More @ The Seibertron Store














Details subject to change. See listing for latest price and availability.
RevTibe wrote:Yeah, not properly addressing Chromia's bombing in later issues is unquestionably a flaw, but I find it mystifying that you consider the anti-Starscream sentiment unwarranted. He was second in command to a brutal, tyrannical genocidal army that has killed billions, and even other members of that army think he's an untrustworthy lowlife.Randomhero wrote:RevTibe wrote:...Did we read the same comics, because in the first Windblade volume the big reveal was that Starscream wasn't the bad guy. Yes, most characters generally think he's up to no good (he is infamous, after all), but volume 1 ends with Windblade concluding that it's better to cooperate with him.Randomhero wrote:Here's the first two Windblade volumes in a nutshell, "Starscream is bad, why? Because. Can you elaborate? No... He's just bad and he needs to be stopped." Sorry, I'm not a Starscream fanboy but he seriously has done nothing really awful to show he wants to build an empire like Windblade accuses him of he's had the Enigma for a long time now and hasn't used it to build one combiner. Personally I think Starscream has changed. He's still a D-bag but he's not the monster Windblade accuses him to be.
As for the empire-building accusation - Starscream is legendarily power-hungry. We've seen it throughout IDW, and volume 1 made a point of Windblade spending much of her time talking to 'bots familiar with that legacy of greed and treachery. While flawed, (story seemed far too compressed - I'd imagine this is related to it being announced as an ongoing then shifting to a miniseries) volume 2 handled the Starsceam / Windblade dynamic quite well - shifting from competitive to tensely cooperative as the situation changed.
(Also, on the note of Starscream and awfulness, remember when he sicced Menasor on Caminus? Added an angry 'con to Menasor to make it more unstable? Tore the place up, killed a lot of innocent natives? 'Scream's still a monster, just less public about it.)
Remember the ending of volume one when it was revealed Starscream wasn't the villain of it but Chromia was? She bombed an area of Metroplex, killing a lot of innocent people and then tried to spacebridge Metroplex back to Caminus which would have killed hundreds more Cybertronians and it ended with Winblade just slapping Chromias hands and saying "do it again and we can't be friends" wow...
Seriously the Plot of Windblade was "grrr Starscream is bad, we need to stop him! Why? Because a bunch of people at blurs bar say he is! Grrrr! We have to stop Starscream!" And then it was revealed he wasn't the villain of that series. How did that end? With Windblade making a deal with him to use the spacebridge if they cover up Chromia killing a bunch of people.
Chromia: I killed a bunch of people
Windblade: -GROAN- that's alright I guess just don't do it again please...
Seriously, that series was really bad.
Further, the series made it quite clear that the deal she cut with Starscream was not focused on protecting her or Chromia, but on ensuring a route to what Windblade believed a brighter future - the whole arc of the idealistic Windblade having to make severe shortterm moral compromises to support her ideals' longterm goals.
Deadput wrote:Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?
That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.
Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.
Rainmaker wrote:Deadput wrote:Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?
That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.
Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.
And you didn't even answer my question.
Dr Va'al wrote:Rainmaker wrote:Deadput wrote:Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?
That's Elita 1 Arcee is with Optimus.
Swindle was killed in the final issues of Windblade.
And you didn't even answer my question.
What is it with everyone being confrontational in here? Chill out, all of you.
Swindle is allegedly dead. The graffiti SWINDLE LIVES was seen in the final issue. If you read the interview with Sara Pitre-Durocher, she does tease the arrival/return of Bruticus.
As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?
Bounti76 wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:
As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?
Kind of looks like an off colored Obsidian, Elita One's second in command on Carcer.
Dr Va'al wrote:Bounti76 wrote:Dr Va'al wrote:
As for the extra character (the white one to the right), I've been trying to figure that out myself, but am drawing a blank. Anyone else?
Kind of looks like an off colored Obsidian, Elita One's second in command on Carcer.
DING DING DING.
Thanks!
Rainmaker wrote:Who's the con next to Arcee and where's Swindle?
RevTibe wrote:Yeah, not properly addressing Chromia's bombing in later issues is unquestionably a flaw, but I find it mystifying that you consider the anti-Starscream sentiment unwarranted. He was second in command to a brutal, tyrannical genocidal army that has killed billions, and even other members of that army think he's an untrustworthy lowlife.
Further, the series made it quite clear that the deal she cut with Starscream was not focused on protecting her or Chromia, but on ensuring a route to what Windblade believed a brighter future - the whole arc of the idealistic Windblade having to make severe shortterm moral compromises to support her ideals' longterm goals.
Yeah, Starscream's often handled as a stock, static character in fiction - I suppose that's a consequence of characters being polished into a simple archetype as they're handed from continuity to continuity. Still, IDW's King Starscream might be the most thorough exploration the character's received. Despite Windblade Vol. 2's truncated feel, it's been fun seeing him develop from his Vol. 1 self, particularly the "cooperative rivalry" his and Windblade's interactions have become, rather than outright antagonism. As for proving himself; his secret police, threats, black flag operations and hidden prison are certainly proving his character! (Not saying that's somehow a negative - it's part of what's making him an interesting character to read.)Star_ling wrote:To be fair its not that it is unwarranted but that most characters are given a chance to prove themselves and at times Starscream is shown to be an exception (depending on how he is written). I mean Megatron of all people is getting his chance at redemption while having been responsible for far worse.
Appreciated! "We aim to maim please!"Dr Va'al wrote:I like you, RevTibe.
RevTibe wrote:Yeah, Starscream's often handled as a stock, static character in fiction - I suppose that's a consequence of characters being polished into a simple archetype as they're handed from continuity to continuity. Still, IDW's King Starscream might be the most thorough exploration the character's received. Despite Windblade Vol. 2's truncated feel, it's been fun seeing him develop from his Vol. 1 self, particularly the "cooperative rivalry" his and Windblade's interactions have become, rather than outright antagonism. As for proving himself; his secret police, threats, black flag operations and hidden prison are certainly proving his character! (Not saying that's somehow a negative - it's part of what's making him an interesting character to read.)Star_ling wrote:To be fair its not that it is unwarranted but that most characters are given a chance to prove themselves and at times Starscream is shown to be an exception (depending on how he is written). I mean Megatron of all people is getting his chance at redemption while having been responsible for far worse.Appreciated! "We aim to maim please!"Dr Va'al wrote:I like you, RevTibe.
Totally agree with you there - I hope his political career lasts a good, long time. Love seeing him as the leader, and it means neither the Autobots or Decepticons are dominating the other/totally comfortable, and some 'bots and 'cons can hang out on occasion (Swindle hanging out at Blurr's bar was great).Star_ling wrote:No I don't see that as a negative either as he is being true to form but I would certainly like to see a version of his character actually successfully maintain leadership. He certainly has been put through the wringer and I want to see them go somewhere else with him besides constant failure. IDW has been doing interesting things with known and beloved TFs (don't know how I feel about where Megatron is going) so I hope they don't waste him.
Transformers: Till All Are One #2
Mairghread Scott (w) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (a & c)
PANIC ON THE STREETS OF CYBERTRON! As STARSCREAM’S secret police continue on their rampage, IRONHIDE is caught between the BADGLESS and a population looking for retribution!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Transformers: Till All Are One #2—ROM Variant
Mairghread Scott (w) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (a) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (c)
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Bullet points:
• CYBERTRON takes center stage—can STARSCREAM hold on while power slips through his fingers?
• Fan favorite character WINDBLADE tries to keep the peace!
• Part of IDW’s month-long variant cover program, celebrating the return of ROM!
• Variant cover by Carlos Valenzuela!
Railbomb wrote:Do we even have a date for the first issue yet? I can't recall getting one...
Genericon #378 wrote:Windblade? Fan favourite?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Optimizzy wrote:I like windblade. I dont think she is always written well, but I can say that for lots of characters.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified
Optimizzy wrote:Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified
in the end, arent we all?
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:Optimizzy wrote:Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified
in the end, arent we all?
Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.
Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)
Deadput wrote:Optimizzy wrote:Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified
in the end, arent we all?
Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.
Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)
Randomhero wrote:Deadput wrote:Optimizzy wrote:Deadput wrote:just personality quirks and tropes personified
in the end, arent we all?
Yes I see what you mean just a consequence of poorly speaking my mind it's a brain to mouth thing but what I mean is when they feel less like a character and more of a role or a part of a play.
Transformers as a whole does have some great characters such as Armada Starscream but most of the time there are characters who just seem to be there just for being there or just for selling toys (Yes I know it's a toy company but I mean the really cheap and cheesy moments)
I personally don't think she's written well. Her and Chromia both have been around for 2 years in the comics and neither have much character. Nautica has had fewer appearances and she oozing with character and yes, that's because of James Roberts who's strongest writing ability is giving characters unique personalities. I'd even argue Aileron has more personality than Windblade, a character who has had 2 miniseries about her and all we get from those is "I don't like starscream"
Return to Transformers Cartoons and Comics Forum
Registered users: agg23, Bing [Bot], BluePhirePB, Bumblevivisector, Galvatronus Prime, gemiga, Glyph, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], maxg, MSN [Bot], Yahoo [Bot]