The Energon Pub

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

Kickback and Dragstrip have purple ones though, wouldn't that likely carry to Soundwave too?

It would: blue is Autobot, purple is Decepticon. Kinda like red is Autobot and green is Decepticon back in Energon.

Drag Strip has none, but as a Combiner limb it's understandable. Missed chance om making an Energon Sword for Menasor tho.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

Kickback and Dragstrip have purple ones though, wouldn't that likely carry to Soundwave too?

It would: blue is Autobot, purple is Decepticon. Kinda like red is Autobot and green is Decepticon back in Energon.

Drag Strip has none, but as a Combiner limb it's understandable. Missed chance om making an Energon Sword for Menasor tho.

Maybe Motormaster comes with that

ZeroWolf wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

Kickback and Dragstrip have purple ones though, wouldn't that likely carry to Soundwave too?

It would: blue is Autobot, purple is Decepticon. Kinda like red is Autobot and green is Decepticon back in Energon.

Drag Strip has none, but as a Combiner limb it's understandable. Missed chance om making an Energon Sword for Menasor tho.

Maybe Motormaster comes with that

I'd assume that if they do that, it'd be like the sword in Bloodborne that combines with its sheath into a bigger sword, with Menasor's sword being it's normal color, but combines with the purple/dark energon sheath to become a stronger/cooler looking sword, maybe inspired by the Dark Star Saber

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

I've got a prediction. If what we do get is a reissue of Netflix Soundwave as the Voyager Class "Soundwave PR" listing in Legacy, it'll come with a clear blue plastic Rumble/Frenzy to be his "Energon Weapon." In Studio Series 86, maybe the Core Class Rumble listing will turn out to be a two-pack of "Legacy Rumble/Frenzy" in solid plastic with the traditional Blue/Violet and Red/Black color schemes. We might even get a two-pack of similarly colored Rewind and Eject, as well Steeljaw and Ramhorn, to fill out Blaster's G1 cassette roster. I would rather Soundwave come with traditional G1 toy pack-it of Buzzsaw, as we haven't gotten one at all during the War for Cybertron Trilogy, but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

There can't be a clear Rumble with Soundwave, that's not how "package refreshes" work. It's the same release in a new box, the whole point is that they're not offering a new product.

I also don't think the SS86 Rumble will be a two-pack, but I'm stumped on how they can deliver a Core product with a Micromaster to begin with. One figure is tiny, but two are a lot for the package. After only delivering half of Blaster's cassettes in Titans Return, I hope they'll make up for it in Legacy, but again there's no obvious product class for it.

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AcademyofDrX wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

I've got a prediction. If what we do get is a reissue of Netflix Soundwave as the Voyager Class "Soundwave PR" listing in Legacy, it'll come with a clear blue plastic Rumble/Frenzy to be his "Energon Weapon." In Studio Series 86, maybe the Core Class Rumble listing will turn out to be a two-pack of "Legacy Rumble/Frenzy" in solid plastic with the traditional Blue/Violet and Red/Black color schemes. We might even get a two-pack of similarly colored Rewind and Eject, as well Steeljaw and Ramhorn, to fill out Blaster's G1 cassette roster. I would rather Soundwave come with traditional G1 toy pack-it of Buzzsaw, as we haven't gotten one at all during the War for Cybertron Trilogy, but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

There can't be a clear Rumble with Soundwave, that's not how "package refreshes" work. It's the same release in a new box, the whole point is that they're not offering a new product.

Then, how could they do a package refresh of Netflix Soundwave, which was sold with two Micromasters for $40? Maybe it’ll be Siege Soundwave after all, but why? It doesn’t fit with the new line at all in terms of style, and there is no demand for it. Plus, it wouldn’t have an Energon weapon. They could put one in, but then it’s not “ the same” product anymore, so why not do the more desired Netflix release instead if you have to change up the accessories?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

I've got a prediction. If what we do get is a reissue of Netflix Soundwave as the Voyager Class "Soundwave PR" listing in Legacy, it'll come with a clear blue plastic Rumble/Frenzy to be his "Energon Weapon." In Studio Series 86, maybe the Core Class Rumble listing will turn out to be a two-pack of "Legacy Rumble/Frenzy" in solid plastic with the traditional Blue/Violet and Red/Black color schemes. We might even get a two-pack of similarly colored Rewind and Eject, as well Steeljaw and Ramhorn, to fill out Blaster's G1 cassette roster. I would rather Soundwave come with traditional G1 toy pack-it of Buzzsaw, as we haven't gotten one at all during the War for Cybertron Trilogy, but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

There can't be a clear Rumble with Soundwave, that's not how "package refreshes" work. It's the same release in a new box, the whole point is that they're not offering a new product.

Then, how could they do a package refresh of Netflix Soundwave, which was sold with two Micromasters for $40? Maybe it’ll be Siege Soundwave after all, but why? It doesn’t fit with the new line at all in terms of style, and there is no demand for it. Plus, it wouldn’t have an Energon weapon. They could put one in, but then it’s not “ the same” product anymore, so why not do the more desired Netflix release instead if you have to change up the accessories?

My theory is that it's not actually a package refresh at all , but an oddity of the order form that other text was cut off.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=116608&p=2119063&hilit=+Prime#p2119063

I could be wrong, but none of the other explanations make sense to me. "PR" has always been used for the exact same product in back-to-back releases as far as I know. Neither Netflix Soundwave nor Siege Soundwave fit that criteria. I'm sure we'll get another Voyager tape deck Soundwave, especially if Core Rumble is in fact a Micromaster at the same scale as the Siege tapes and Eject. I just don't know how we're getting it.

Maybe SS86 Soundwave?

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe SS86 Soundwave?

The listing is part of Legacy

Wolfman Jake wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

I've got a prediction. If what we do get is a reissue of Netflix Soundwave as the Voyager Class "Soundwave PR" listing in Legacy, it'll come with a clear blue plastic Rumble/Frenzy to be his "Energon Weapon." In Studio Series 86, maybe the Core Class Rumble listing will turn out to be a two-pack of "Legacy Rumble/Frenzy" in solid plastic with the traditional Blue/Violet and Red/Black color schemes. We might even get a two-pack of similarly colored Rewind and Eject, as well Steeljaw and Ramhorn, to fill out Blaster's G1 cassette roster. I would rather Soundwave come with traditional G1 toy pack-it of Buzzsaw, as we haven't gotten one at all during the War for Cybertron Trilogy, but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

There can't be a clear Rumble with Soundwave, that's not how "package refreshes" work. It's the same release in a new box, the whole point is that they're not offering a new product.

Then, how could they do a package refresh of Netflix Soundwave, which was sold with two Micromasters for $40? Maybe it’ll be Siege Soundwave after all, but why? It doesn’t fit with the new line at all in terms of style, and there is no demand for it. Plus, it wouldn’t have an Energon weapon. They could put one in, but then it’s not “ the same” product anymore, so why not do the more desired Netflix release instead if you have to change up the accessories?

They can do it. They did Earthrise Optimus Prime without the trailer, Ultra Magnus (as Prime) without the armor - a couple other examples I can't think of right now. Are they stricr 'package rereshes'? No. But I don't think there's anything saying they HAVE to sell a mold with all the gang molded parts, even if they put it in a retail box.

sol magnus wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

I've got a prediction. If what we do get is a reissue of Netflix Soundwave as the Voyager Class "Soundwave PR" listing in Legacy, it'll come with a clear blue plastic Rumble/Frenzy to be his "Energon Weapon." In Studio Series 86, maybe the Core Class Rumble listing will turn out to be a two-pack of "Legacy Rumble/Frenzy" in solid plastic with the traditional Blue/Violet and Red/Black color schemes. We might even get a two-pack of similarly colored Rewind and Eject, as well Steeljaw and Ramhorn, to fill out Blaster's G1 cassette roster. I would rather Soundwave come with traditional G1 toy pack-it of Buzzsaw, as we haven't gotten one at all during the War for Cybertron Trilogy, but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

There can't be a clear Rumble with Soundwave, that's not how "package refreshes" work. It's the same release in a new box, the whole point is that they're not offering a new product.

Then, how could they do a package refresh of Netflix Soundwave, which was sold with two Micromasters for $40? Maybe it’ll be Siege Soundwave after all, but why? It doesn’t fit with the new line at all in terms of style, and there is no demand for it. Plus, it wouldn’t have an Energon weapon. They could put one in, but then it’s not “ the same” product anymore, so why not do the more desired Netflix release instead if you have to change up the accessories?

They can do it. They did Earthrise Optimus Prime without the trailer, Ultra Magnus (as Prime) without the armor - a couple other examples I can't think of right now. Are they stricr 'package rereshes'? No. But I don't think there's anything saying they HAVE to sell a mold with all the gang molded parts, even if they put it in a retail box.

There's a lot of ways they could do it, there are already rumors that there will be multiple SS86 releases which are just WfC redecoes. And I could be wrong, maybe the only thing "PR" is for is to confirm there isn't a redeco. That just doesn't track with me. I mean, the whole point of that terminology is to help retailers know what they're ordering. In this case, that doesn't really work at all.

I've seen three basic speculations: Netflix Soundwave, Siege Soundwave, Prime Soundwave. Two have been rumored: Apollux said all the way back in August that he thought they were going to reissue the Netflix one, but he wasn't sure, and I haven't seen any updates from any leakers. JTPrime said he thought it was either Prime or Netflix Soundwave. Others have speculated that it might actually be Siege Soundwave, in part because there's a random "S" in the order form listing, but no leakers have backed that up. It could be any of those, though the conventional wisdom says that it's the Netflix one. I don't think it is for the reasons I mentioned, but if it is, I can't imagine they would mix up the tapes but still call it a package refresh.

But what do I know, nearly every speculative post I've ever made has been wrong.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

I've got a prediction. If what we do get is a reissue of Netflix Soundwave as the Voyager Class "Soundwave PR" listing in Legacy, it'll come with a clear blue plastic Rumble/Frenzy to be his "Energon Weapon." In Studio Series 86, maybe the Core Class Rumble listing will turn out to be a two-pack of "Legacy Rumble/Frenzy" in solid plastic with the traditional Blue/Violet and Red/Black color schemes. We might even get a two-pack of similarly colored Rewind and Eject, as well Steeljaw and Ramhorn, to fill out Blaster's G1 cassette roster. I would rather Soundwave come with traditional G1 toy pack-it of Buzzsaw, as we haven't gotten one at all during the War for Cybertron Trilogy, but all of the Energon Weapons so far seem to be the same clear blue plastic, so actually using the "blue cassette" for Soundwave seems much more likely at this point.

There can't be a clear Rumble with Soundwave, that's not how "package refreshes" work. It's the same release in a new box, the whole point is that they're not offering a new product.

Then, how could they do a package refresh of Netflix Soundwave, which was sold with two Micromasters for $40? Maybe it’ll be Siege Soundwave after all, but why? It doesn’t fit with the new line at all in terms of style, and there is no demand for it. Plus, it wouldn’t have an Energon weapon. They could put one in, but then it’s not “ the same” product anymore, so why not do the more desired Netflix release instead if you have to change up the accessories?

They can do it. They did Earthrise Optimus Prime without the trailer, Ultra Magnus (as Prime) without the armor - a couple other examples I can't think of right now. Are they stricr 'package rereshes'? No. But I don't think there's anything saying they HAVE to sell a mold with all the gang molded parts, even if they put it in a retail box.

There's a lot of ways they could do it, there are already rumors that there will be multiple SS86 releases which are just WfC redecoes. And I could be wrong, maybe the only thing "PR" is for is to confirm there isn't a redeco. That just doesn't track with me. I mean, the whole point of that terminology is to help retailers know what they're ordering. In this case, that doesn't really work at all.

I've seen three basic speculations: Netflix Soundwave, Siege Soundwave, Prime Soundwave. Two have been rumored: Apollux said all the way back in August that he thought they were going to reissue the Netflix one, but he wasn't sure, and I haven't seen any updates from any leakers. JTPrime said he thought it was either Prime or Netflix Soundwave. Others have speculated that it might actually be Siege Soundwave, in part because there's a random "S" in the order form listing, but no leakers have backed that up. It could be any of those, though the conventional wisdom says that it's the Netflix one. I don't think it is for the reasons I mentioned, but if it is, I can't imagine they would mix up the tapes but still call it a package refresh.

But what do I know, nearly every speculative post I've ever made has been wrong.

I love speculation as much as the next guy, but I'm certainly willing to wait and see what they do. If it's Netflix Soundwave Redux, I don't need it (unless it comes with Buzzsaw).

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe SS86 Soundwave?

The listing is part of Legacy

Yeah I got that. I was just saying if somehow this will be a Prime Soundwave (which I don't think it will be) Hasbro still has an out for getting us yet another G1 Soundwave.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe SS86 Soundwave?

The listing is part of Legacy

Yeah I got that. I was just saying if somehow this will be a Prime Soundwave (which I don't think it will be) Hasbro still has an out for getting us yet another G1 Soundwave.

Ah right, sure.

On a different topic, I took out the other 2 Laser Optimus Prime molds I own to compare with the upcoming version and R.I.D Scourge which is always on display because I love that mold, and while the new one looks too be much much better than the previous attempts in Reveal the Shield and Titans Return, its still looks like it will pale in comparison to the original mold.

That mold is still holds up today.

Yeah I gotta agree that Scourge was a grand slam for Hasbro, and I also treat him the way you do, he stays out on display at all times, even if I have to put the others away.

I do think the new Legacy figure will be close though, especially in robot mode. I always thought the Laser Prime mold looked better as Scourge as did all the updates and homages as well. I expect no different for Legacy.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I gotta agree that Scourge was a grand slam for Hasbro, and I also treat him the way you do, he stays out on display at all times, even if I have to put the others away.

I do think the new Legacy figure will be close though, especially in robot mode. I always thought the Laser Prime mold looked better as Scourge as did all the updates and homages as well. I expect no different for Legacy.

Yeah, the mold itself is excellent, but the Scourge color scheme just knocked it out of the park.

There haven't been that many updates for him though?. I think those 2 there are all there is. And yes both of them look better in Black and teal, but as usual those are harder to come by.

I got the Combat Hero version from Reveal the Shield from the Ultimate Giftset, and the TR from the Velocitron Set just for the stickers.

My only shall we say issue with Scourge is the lack of electronics. Removed for R.I.D, while the original Laser Prime has them.

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I gotta agree that Scourge was a grand slam for Hasbro, and I also treat him the way you do, he stays out on display at all times, even if I have to put the others away.

I do think the new Legacy figure will be close though, especially in robot mode. I always thought the Laser Prime mold looked better as Scourge as did all the updates and homages as well. I expect no different for Legacy.

Yeah, the mold itself is excellent, but the Scourge color scheme just knocked it out of the park.

There haven't been that many updates for him though?. I think those 2 there are all there is. And yes both of them look better in Black and teal, but as usual those are harder to come by.

I got the Combat Hero version from Reveal the Shield from the Ultimate Giftset, and the TR from the Velocitron Set just for the stickers.

My only shall we say issue with Scourge is the lack of electronics. Removed for R.I.D, while the original Laser Prime has them.

I repurposed the Platinum Edition "Year of the Goat" Optimus Prime as a partial ghost version of Scourge since much of that toy's color palette (basically all of the black, dark gray, and chrome silver parts) seems based more on that of Scourge than anything else, and it does have the electronics restored. Full details in the link above.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I gotta agree that Scourge was a grand slam for Hasbro, and I also treat him the way you do, he stays out on display at all times, even if I have to put the others away.

I do think the new Legacy figure will be close though, especially in robot mode. I always thought the Laser Prime mold looked better as Scourge as did all the updates and homages as well. I expect no different for Legacy.

Yeah, the mold itself is excellent, but the Scourge color scheme just knocked it out of the park.

There haven't been that many updates for him though?. I think those 2 there are all there is. And yes both of them look better in Black and teal, but as usual those are harder to come by.

I got the Combat Hero version from Reveal the Shield from the Ultimate Giftset, and the TR from the Velocitron Set just for the stickers.

My only shall we say issue with Scourge is the lack of electronics. Removed for R.I.D, while the original Laser Prime has them.

I repurposed the Platinum Edition "Year of the Goat" Optimus Prime as a partial ghost version of Scourge since much of that toy's color palette (basically all of the black, dark gray, and chrome silver parts) seems based more on that of Scourge than anything else, and it does have the electronics restored. Full details in the link above.

For the longest time I was considering picking him up, but I just never pulled the trigger on him.

Maybe If I find him again some time for a decent price. Its good to know he haas the electronics.

Also, nice amount of head cannoning there.

Overcracker wrote:For the longest time I was considering picking him up, but I just never pulled the trigger on him.

I initially felt the same since I thought his deco was just so ugly and unappealing. That is, until I got the idea to repurpose him as Ghost Scourge since I had no desire to own that figure as another Optimus.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:For the longest time I was considering picking him up, but I just never pulled the trigger on him.

I initially felt the same since I thought his deco was just so ugly and unappealing. That is, until I got the idea to repurpose him as Ghost Scourge since I had no desire to own that figure as another Optimus.

I could have picked him up for relatively cheap countless times but I already had the OG Laser Prime and I hated all that caramel colors on the Platinum.

Why clear and caramel?

The clear parts made it work as a ghost for me, and while the caramel was ugly as Prime, it worked perfectly as traces of Scourge's decayed undead body having become RUST.

The more I look at that "Laser" Optimus Legacy figure, the more it looks like a Jenga tower...

Skids looks awesome, but I think I will stick with my Legends Skids. If I only had the T30 version, I would upgrade, but the colours on the Legends really make that mould.

Laser Prime was my 2nd most anticipated in Legacy after Menasor but I am prolly not going to get it now. The skinny legs from ER Prime just dont cut it for me, although I love ER Prime. Now if Laser Prime had Legacy Bulkhead's lower half he would look perfect.

Blaster looks amazing.

Arcee is fairly good but I can see why people are disappointed. Its just not for me.

Bulkhead actually looks really great to me and a good G1-ified Prime Bulkhead. I suppose I am the audience they were going for with the design.

Kickback also looks super sweet. After I see the others and their scale, I will decide if I will replace the latest Insecticons.

Dragstrip looks incredible and I will happily rebuy all the Stunticons as they are my fav combiner. CW Menasor is just such a let down and I am happy this new one will be Sunbowed. Scramble city be damned hehe.

After the last few years I have filled most of my collection holes and updated a bunch of figures. With just now putting SG Goldbug's head on Netflix Bee, Legacy Menasor and the previously mentioned figures, I am almost complete with my headcanon season 4 collection. A few suprises like Jhiaxus, finishing the Dinobots, Beast Wars and other, future to be revealed, better versions of characters will keep me going though. Also waiting for the unreleased Pretender Diver(not holding my breath).