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In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar

Saturday, February 27th, 2016 4:06AM CST

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After the official images for Legends class Generations Combiner Wars Wreck-Gar we posted here, Hong Kong based fan Oscar Fung has shared some in-hand images of the little orange motorcycle with a mustache - and you check them out below, as we've mirrored them for your viewing convenience! What do you make of the Groove remold? Let us know in the Energon Pub.

Transformers News: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar

Transformers News: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar

Transformers News: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar
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Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770012)
Posted by Amelie on February 27th, 2016 @ 5:09am CST
I was never much of a fan of the Groove mold to begin with, but redoing it almost exclusively in pale orange makes it look like a blob of cheese.

We've recently had a rather excellent Wreck-Gar toy (with an extra opportunity to get it in Platinum Series). This really should have been another character. Igaunus, Roadpig, Override.... ect.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770023)
Posted by sagia on February 27th, 2016 @ 7:04am CST
If You would like to see more natural lighting photos of this figure, please visit my website:

Sagia's Transformers Photos
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770025)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 27th, 2016 @ 7:35am CST
That thing should be called Wheelie. Wreck-Gar should have been a repaint/retool of deluxe Groove.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770032)
Posted by Agamemnon on February 27th, 2016 @ 8:06am CST
sagia wrote:If You would like to see more natural lighting photos of this figure, please visit my website:

Sagia's Transformers Photos

Thanks for those! The bot mode comparison pic with big Wreck Gar was awesome. It screams for a caption. "Now son, drink your milk and grow up to be big and strong, like me!" (I'm scratching my brain to come up with a good, recognizable television quote with a father and son....)
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770047)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 27th, 2016 @ 11:05am CST
Agamemnon wrote:(I'm scratching my brain to come up with a good, recognizable television quote with a father and son....)
Nothing comes to mind atm, but maybe something Ward once said to the Beaver might fit.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770049)
Posted by Gunmetal on February 27th, 2016 @ 11:18am CST
sagia wrote:If You would like to see more natural lighting photos of this figure, please visit my website:

Sagia's Transformers Photos
He does look much better in that light; you can see the contrast between orange and yellow, not to mention the red paint on his front and rear sides (which I didn't even know he had before).

Orange has got to be the worst color to photograph (with white a close second).
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770060)
Posted by Mr O on February 27th, 2016 @ 12:23pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:(I'm scratching my brain to come up with a good, recognizable television quote with a father and son....)
Nothing comes to mind atm, but maybe something Ward once said to the Beaver might fit.


"Today, we're gonna teach a poodle how to fly!"

Points available.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770078)
Posted by dragons on February 27th, 2016 @ 2:05pm CST
Amelie wrote:I was never much of a fan of the Groove mold to begin with, but redoing it almost exclusively in pale orange makes it look like a blob of cheese.

We've recently had a rather excellent Wreck-Gar toy (with an extra opportunity to get it in Platinum Series). This really should have been another character. Igaunus, Roadpig, Override.... ect.


Groove figure is not one I will like to call wreckgar as repaint
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770091)
Posted by Targetmaster Kup on February 27th, 2016 @ 3:56pm CST
I can;t seee them. :-( This web site ( http://users.atw.hu/tfpictures/?atw_ref ... 2F34834%2F ) has been blocked because it has been determined by Web Reputation Filters to be a security threat to your computer or the organization's network. This web site has been associated with malware/spyware.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770099)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 27th, 2016 @ 4:23pm CST
This mold should've been turned into cybertron ransack not wreckgar, really getting tired of hasbros obsession with G1 & IDW. Dont get me wrong i love G1 and think its great when they remake obscure characters like skullcruncher & whirl or update ones we havent seen in a long time but so many of these molds are being robbed of their potential because hasbro has blinders on.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770101)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 27th, 2016 @ 4:27pm CST
Megatron Wolf wrote:This mold should've been turned into cybertron ransack not wreckgar, really getting tired of hasbros obsession with G1 & IDW. Dont get me wrong i love G1 and think its great when they remake obscure characters like skullcruncher & whirl or update ones we havent seen in a long time but so many of these molds are being robbed of their potential because hasbro has blinders on.


THIS
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770107)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 27th, 2016 @ 4:37pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Megatron Wolf wrote:This mold should've been turned into cybertron ransack not wreckgar, really getting tired of hasbros obsession with G1 & IDW. Dont get me wrong i love G1 and think its great when they remake obscure characters like skullcruncher & whirl or update ones we havent seen in a long time but so many of these molds are being robbed of their potential because hasbro has blinders on.


THIS
I'm all for updates to non-G1 characters, but for some of those cases I feel that some of the originals are already good enough that I feel those ones don't need updating. Ransack's original toy really just needs its rear wheel pieces assembled correctly and maybe some better paint apps (or any, in regards to its key), so I feel just a reissue of the original with more paint and the wheel fixed would be satisfying enough (as I missed out on both the original Hasbro Ransack and Takara Gasket; I have the show-inaccurate Ransack GTS, though).

I really don't need a Ransack that looks more a like red Groove instead of Ransack and turns into a combiner piece the original didn't turn into.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770109)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 27th, 2016 @ 4:53pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Megatron Wolf wrote:This mold should've been turned into cybertron ransack not wreckgar, really getting tired of hasbros obsession with G1 & IDW. Dont get me wrong i love G1 and think its great when they remake obscure characters like skullcruncher & whirl or update ones we havent seen in a long time but so many of these molds are being robbed of their potential because hasbro has blinders on.


THIS
I'm all for updates to non-G1 characters, but for some of those cases I feel that some of the originals are already good enough that I feel those ones don't need updating. Ransack's original toy really just needs its rear wheel pieces assembled correctly and maybe some better paint apps (or any, in regards to its key), so I feel just a reissue of the original with more paint and the wheel fixed would be satisfying enough (as I missed out on both the original Hasbro Ransack and Takara Gasket; I have the show-inaccurate Ransack GTS, though).

I really don't need a Ransack that looks more a like red Groove instead of Ransack and turns into a combiner piece the original didn't turn into.


Except groove transforms like cyb ransack, so it's more of a case of groove looking like a white re-design of cyb ransack, so an homage to him would've been nice [-(
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770119)
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 27th, 2016 @ 5:43pm CST
i wouldnt call this wreck-gar but i could see building a junkion army with many of this figure ;)
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770121)
Posted by Cobotron on February 27th, 2016 @ 6:01pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:i wouldnt call this wreck-gar but i could see building a junkion army with many of this figure ;)
That's kinda what I'm feeling. Maybe not a whole army, but he doesn't have to be Gar. Just some little Junkion pip squeak.

Edit: Might be cool to give him the Off Road mold ax.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770123)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 27th, 2016 @ 6:14pm CST
At least have the decency to show the combination with Sky Reign next time! Maybe it'll solve the mystery of the unused peg and hole :lol:
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770125)
Posted by Generator_G1 on February 27th, 2016 @ 6:31pm CST
o.supreme wrote:^Perfect. So then... I assume since on the packaging for Legends Wreck-Gar (pictured above) states he combines with Sky Reign, then said instructions on the inside would show how? Yes?

If not, then this would be a first for Hasbro, advertising a designed combination on the package, but then not providing instructions for said combination on the instruction sheet. I mean... I know he is not officially out yet, but since a few people seem to have him already, can we not get a scan of his instruction sheet?


The actual packaging does not have the "form to combine" label on it. It looks like Amazon got the old stock photos before the change went out to retail.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770150)
Posted by YoungPrime on February 27th, 2016 @ 9:26pm CST
Megatron Wolf wrote:This mold should've been turned into cybertron ransack not wreckgar, really getting tired of hasbros obsession with G1 & IDW. Dont get me wrong i love G1 and think its great when they remake obscure characters like skullcruncher & whirl or update ones we havent seen in a long time but so many of these molds are being robbed of their potential because hasbro has blinders on.


Weird, I've always felt like Hasbro should do more with IDW themes and characters. H3ll it's like 5 years since LSOTW's and we still haven't got a decent Overlord...... That leader Class line should've been made for characters like him IDW Scorponok and Sixshot for that matter!
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770205)
Posted by deliciouspeter on February 28th, 2016 @ 9:25am CST
Weird character choice, but I like that these scale well with the cars.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770265)
Posted by bvzxa on February 28th, 2016 @ 4:29pm CST
Its ugly :HEADHURTS:
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770280)
Posted by Noideaforaname on February 28th, 2016 @ 6:22pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:I'm all for updates to non-G1 characters, but for some of those cases I feel that some of the originals are already good enough that I feel those ones don't need updating.[...]

Well it's not like Wreck-Gar needed updating either, much less as a Legends. (nor did half of the Combiner Wars line, for that matter)
Only problem with Ransack is that he needs a Crumplezone to go with!


I was actually thinking Armada Sideways as a repaint myself, especially given the silhouette around his head. He wouldn't be a headmaster, but it's not like we'd see one in Titans Returns anyways....
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770299)
Posted by jamarmiller on February 28th, 2016 @ 8:41pm CST
Ill add this guy to my collection but as Junkion, not my wreck gar. And for that I think he is great
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770341)
Posted by sagia on February 29th, 2016 @ 2:41am CST
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Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770378)
Posted by o.supreme on February 29th, 2016 @ 9:29am CST
Ok...so now we know obviously Hasbro changed their plans for Legends Wreck-Gar "Combine to Form" does not appear on packaging as originally planned, and there are no official instructions on the instruction sheet for Legends Wreck-Gar to combine with Sky Reign.

However this does beg the question... Every Combiner so far has had by design a Legends figure that forms either a weapon or a chest piece for a Combiner. Will Sky Reign have one? Or will he be the exception? (Stripes, Rewind, or Wheelie)... Probably not. I'm thinking Sky Lynx unique design as a torso proved quite problematic for Hasbro, thus no Legends class figure functionality. Though it would be nice if Hasbro did come up with something official.

I mean c'mon guys, you could have even reused the Powerglide mold as a gun, and just changed his color scheme and name. (Change him to Grey and call him Leader One, or give him Tiger stripes and call him Tiger Rat) ;)
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770428)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 29th, 2016 @ 1:02pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Ok...so now we know obviously Hasbro changed their plans for Legends Wreck-Gar "Combine to Form" does not appear on packaging as originally planned, and there are no official instructions on the instruction sheet for Legends Wreck-Gar to combine with Sky Reign.

However this does beg the question... Every Combiner so far has had by design a Legends figure that forms either a weapon or a chest piece for a Combiner. Will Sky Reign have one? Or will he be the exception? (Stripes, Rewind, or Wheelie)... Probably not. I'm thinking Sky Lynx unique design as a torso proved quite problematic for Hasbro, thus no Legends class figure functionality. Though it would be nice if Hasbro did come up with something official.

I mean c'mon guys, you could have even reused the Powerglide mold as a gun, and just changed his color scheme and name. (Change him to Grey and call him Leader One, or give him Tiger stripes and call him Tiger Rat) ;)


Powerglide, nothin', they could've given us the Viper mold again 8-)
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770480)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 29th, 2016 @ 4:58pm CST
o.supreme wrote:Ok...so now we know obviously Hasbro changed their plans for Legends Wreck-Gar "Combine to Form" does not appear on packaging as originally planned, and there are no official instructions on the instruction sheet for Legends Wreck-Gar to combine with Sky Reign.

However this does beg the question... Every Combiner so far has had by design a Legends figure that forms either a weapon or a chest piece for a Combiner. Will Sky Reign have one? Or will he be the exception? (Stripes, Rewind, or Wheelie)... Probably not. I'm thinking Sky Lynx unique design as a torso proved quite problematic for Hasbro, thus no Legends class figure functionality. Though it would be nice if Hasbro did come up with something official.

I mean c'mon guys, you could have even reused the Powerglide mold as a gun, and just changed his color scheme and name. (Change him to Grey and call him Leader One, or give him Tiger stripes and call him Tiger Rat) ;)


Not all of them do. Ultra Prime and Betatron have no Legends partners assigned to them, having "spare torsos" in the form of Optimus Prime and Scattershot. What's funny is that Cyclonus can be considered a "spare torso" as well, yet Galvatronus has Viper assigned to him.

I guess that would even things out with Sky Reign having no partner?
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770516)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 29th, 2016 @ 8:29pm CST
Does Legends Warpath have any modes that turn him into a weapon or armor for a gestalt?
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770518)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 29th, 2016 @ 8:43pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Does Legends Warpath have any modes that turn him into a weapon or armor for a gestalt?


Nothing official, nor does he really have an undercarriage conducive to being slapped onto someone's chest; but who knows, maybe you should Cobo on that :-?
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770522)
Posted by Cobotron on February 29th, 2016 @ 8:49pm CST
Who me? :P
Ha! Ya I have fiddled with Warpath in an attempt to come up with something, but couldn't. The asymmetrical nature of his gun barrel kept throwing me off. Doesn't mean it can't be done, though.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770525)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 29th, 2016 @ 8:55pm CST
Cobotron wrote:Who me? :P
Ha! Ya I have fiddled with Warpath in an attempt to come up with something, but couldn't. The asymmetrical nature of his gun barrel kept throwing me off. Doesn't mean it can't be done, though.


If Cobo can't, then no one can [-(
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770529)
Posted by Cobotron on February 29th, 2016 @ 9:04pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Cobotron wrote:Who me? :P
Ha! Ya I have fiddled with Warpath in an attempt to come up with something, but couldn't. The asymmetrical nature of his gun barrel kept throwing me off. Doesn't mean it can't be done, though.


If Cobo can't, then no one can [-(
:lol: Well I'm glad I've earned a reputation for CW tom foolery.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770533)
Posted by Agamemnon on February 29th, 2016 @ 9:13pm CST
Cobotron wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Cobotron wrote:Who me? :P
Ha! Ya I have fiddled with Warpath in an attempt to come up with something, but couldn't. The asymmetrical nature of his gun barrel kept throwing me off. Doesn't mean it can't be done, though.


If Cobo can't, then no one can [-(
:lol: Well I'm glad I've earned a reputation for CW tom foolery.

I've integrated Warpath into Superion.


:-s


Of course, it just looks like Superion is holding and pointing a toy tank...
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770539)
Posted by Cobotron on February 29th, 2016 @ 9:46pm CST
Agamemnon wrote:Of course, it just looks like Superion is holding and pointing a toy tank...

Works for me! :lol:
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770542)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 29th, 2016 @ 10:53pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Does Legends Warpath have any modes that turn him into a weapon or armor for a gestalt?
He does not, for he is a pre-CW Thrilling 30 mold with a new headsculpt.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770604)
Posted by o.supreme on March 1st, 2016 @ 9:07am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Not all of them do. Ultra Prime and Betatron have no Legends partners assigned to them, having "spare torsos" in the form of Optimus Prime and Scattershot. What's funny is that Cyclonus can be considered a "spare torso" as well, yet Galvatronus has Viper assigned to him.

I guess that would even things out with Sky Reign having no partner?


Yeah I never considered UP & Betatron to be true combiners because they are hodge-podges. The only reason Galvatronus is legitimized now (in my mind) is because UW-06(Grand Galvatron) is making him so. I basically bought Viper for him.

But yeah, Sky Reign having no Legends figure to go with him, is not a deal breaker, just makes him different.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770607)
Posted by Cobotron on March 1st, 2016 @ 9:13am CST
Sky Reign is a legendary in his own right! :michaelbay:

:lol:
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770608)
Posted by o.supreme on March 1st, 2016 @ 9:18am CST
Well yeah... I remember back in the day, never believing that Sky Lynx was a true match for Predaking. Now though... Sky Reign vs. Predaking is looking like a battle for the ages ;)^
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770789)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on March 1st, 2016 @ 10:22pm CST
So, turns out, I might just have to get wreck-gar, if his new head looks as good in person as the pictures would have me believe, makes a great cannon upgrade for Sky Reign 8-)

Sky Reign Cannons 1.jpg


Sky Reign Cannons 2.jpg


Sky Reign Cannons 3.jpg
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770816)
Posted by steals_your_goats on March 2nd, 2016 @ 7:36am CST
That's actually pretty cool, subtle, but cool. Does he actually tab in or does he just hang there?
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770851)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on March 2nd, 2016 @ 12:09pm CST
steals_your_goats wrote:That's actually pretty cool, subtle, but cool. Does he actually tab in or does he just hang there?


The pegs on his arms will plug into the ports under sky lynx's wings if you point them inwards, it all fits together very smoothly ;)^
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770900)
Posted by steals_your_goats on March 2nd, 2016 @ 2:29pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:That's actually pretty cool, subtle, but cool. Does he actually tab in or does he just hang there?


The pegs on his arms will plug into the ports under sky lynx's wings if you point them inwards, it all fits together very smoothly ;)^


Nice, I bet tav override would look great combined with sky reign like that.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770904)
Posted by o.supreme on March 2nd, 2016 @ 2:37pm CST
steals_your_goats wrote:Nice, I bet tav override would look great combined with sky reign like that.


actually the video review of Sky Reign over at tformers did just that.

Speaking of Transformers Adventure...I ignored this line at first thinking it was merely the TT equivalent of Hasbro's RiD15 line. I did not know *random* CW figures, and some completely new toys would be thrown in there as well. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere online? I'd like to see what CW figures (I'm guessing Legends mostly) are all in the TAV line.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770925)
Posted by steals_your_goats on March 2nd, 2016 @ 3:28pm CST
o.supreme wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:Nice, I bet tav override would look great combined with sky reign like that.


actually the video review of Sky Reign over at tformers did just that.

Speaking of Transformers Adventure...I ignored this line at first thinking it was merely the TT equivalent of Hasbro's RiD15 line. I did not know *random* CW figures, and some completely new toys would be thrown in there as well. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere online? I'd like to see what CW figures (I'm guessing Legends mostly) are all in the TAV line.


http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Robots_in_Disguise_(2015_toyline)#Japanese_toy_line here you go ;)^
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1770932)
Posted by o.supreme on March 2nd, 2016 @ 3:32pm CST
Very nice. Thank you. ;)^
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1771546)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 5th, 2016 @ 2:59pm CST
Not gonna lie, that bike mold works as shoulder jets. It works, and I like it! Good job Screamer! :MAXIMAL:
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1774932)
Posted by jungletron on March 23rd, 2016 @ 4:41am CDT
CW Trailbreaker's axe works well with Wreck-Gar.
Wreck Gar 3.JPG
Wreck Gar 1.JPG
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1775052)
Posted by no-one on March 23rd, 2016 @ 1:29pm CDT
Nice :APPLAUSE:
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1776195)
Posted by Crosscheck on March 29th, 2016 @ 6:13am CDT
I can't be the only one that finds it fitting that Sky Reign's Legends Class figure, Wreck-Gar, turns into a jetpack for him, can I?
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1776261)
Posted by King Kuuga on March 29th, 2016 @ 11:46am CDT
Well it's an unofficial transformation, but it's definitely clever.
Re: In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Legends Class Wreck-Gar (1778057)
Posted by Lore Keeper on April 4th, 2016 @ 8:28pm CDT
Finally got my Wreck-Gar today, and know a lot of people are waiting for confirmation/denial of his ability to officially combine with Sky Reign. Well... he can't. His instructions merely have his transformation to vehicle mode on one side and robot mode transformation on the other. I know this isn't the answer people wanted; it's definitely not the one I wanted. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. :(

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