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ViperEye82 wrote:And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.

Thing is, the Transformers are aliens. always have been since day 1. The latter two examples are supposed to look like things from Earth (turtles and cats). The TFs come from Cybertron, so if the Cybertronian look ain't nothing like the Earth look, so be it.

This kind of thing works in live action form since a look more like the blocky G1 look or any other non-Movieverse seires look would make them look more like giant toy robots, or even Megazords (mostly referring to the singular unit, non-combining ones), rather than technological lifeforms.

It's kinda like how a real life human looks far more detailed and alive than a cartoon character design run through the most advanced CG render to make it look realistically three-dimensional with still having that smooth, undetailed cartoony look. Think like in those live action Looney Tunes movies in which the characters look really there, but don't look "real" themeselves, if you get my drift.

Now, I will agree that the movie designs do look a bit overdetailed with too many panels and wires and such, though a more compromised design aesthetic that might work in live action while being more easy on the eyes would be the video game designs from WFC/FOC. Those look reasitica enough without being too jarring, and enough like the typicl Transformers designs without looking too much like giant-sized children's play things.

Janus Prime wrote:Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?

I kinda hope that is the case, considering how eager Optimus was in killing his foes, especially his mentor Sentinel in DOTM. He should really fall into a state of depression and ends up going crazy

Then Rodimus will kill him and be the new Leader of the Autobots, shattering childrens' heart again since 1984.

Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.

Alien Robots done right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTUh7d8Ft0

ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.

And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.

burning_sirius wrote:>> Limited imagination

>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.

Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist.

Um, what? You do realize it wasn't Bay who made these designs, right? Bay just directed them and gave his two cents, it was the art development team who created them and such.

burning_sirius wrote:Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls,

Again, it wasn't Bay who drew these designs. and you ought to know very well that the wrecking balls are not in the same category as what I've referring to here. I'm taking about the overall figure, not some stupidly minute deatil that was likely thrown in after the fact just to make a bad joke.

burning_sirius wrote:Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)

Those are designs, how? Those are actions/body functions, not physical body appearances. Sheesh.

burning_sirius wrote:I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.

And none of those examples, save for the Transformers, fall into any of what I was getting at with the movie designs. You're just looking for an excuse for some random Bay bashing whne Bay wasn't even a factor in this alien robot design discussion.

burning_sirius wrote:I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.

DOTM didn't sell well for a number of reasons, but mostly because most the return film characters had mostly the same designs they've already had (which kids already bought in the previous movie toylines and so didn't feel compelled to buy something very similar to what they already had), and becuase retailers overstocked the toys to an ungodly degree that they're still sitting on the shelves almost 1 1/2 years after they first arrived. Not to mention the lousy MechTech gimmick that only seemed half-decent for any figure above deluxe class. And all the excess Robo Power stuff no one bought since were for an audience too young to even be interested in the films and their characters. And, to top it all off, all the insane price hikes retailers kept pushing with the economy getting worse and worse. Oy. DOTM's toyline was a flop, yes, but not specifically for the design aesthetic of the characters (otherwise Movie 1 and ROTF's toylines wouldn't have done so well, and ROTF had an awesome toyline ).

And, the more successful the films are, the more money Hasbro earns, the more Generations toys they can give us.

ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.

Whoa! Great minds think alike, man. (See the final paragraph of my last response given to ya.)

burning_sirius wrote:Alien Robots done right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTUh7d8Ft0

As awesome as GaoGaiGar is, there's no denying that they still look like giant toy robots, which is what these films don't want to do. They want them to look like alien robot lifeforms, not giant action figures. A toy-like look drives away casual adult moviegoers as they don't want to watch something that says "children's movie". i'd rather this weren't the case, but sadly it is.

burning_sirius wrote:

ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.

And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.

I wonder if there just trying to keep the new design secret or there not finished.

If optimus looks the same, would it be possible we might get a re-release of jetwing, or a release of a striker optimus here?

Doubledealer93 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Looks kinda cool. Hopefully the toys will be better than DOTM.

this. i could care less about the plot. i want the toys if they are better.

What plot? This is Bay...

Note to Hasbro: I'd pay real money to see a professionally produced, theatrical release Transformers stop motion movie. What better way to advertise than feature the actual products doing all the action?

That is the problem, the movies are for average movie goers. That will always be the problem. The TF movies try to be action, romance, sci fi, comedy... its idiotic. You make a movie to make something unique, creative and interesting, not just to appeal enough so that you ensure seats and sales.
As for the designs:
They're pretty over complicated, as everyone has already mentioned. The Foc/WFC designs should have been the happy comprimise (the toy robot look i believe would have appealed to the now more targeted audience, and if executed well with lots of moving parts like in the game, would still look sick in motion). I like some of the movie figures because they are complex toys, however in the movie, they are just a flying mess of cg that ends up looking too fake as all those seams just magically dissappear in alt. mode. There are some sweet transformation sequences but I feel that an oldschool fan would ALWAYS prefer G1 devastator over a boring beast vacuum cleaner.
I'm pretty done complaining about the movies coz its beating a dead horse. They allow for some cool toys, and thats great (however the classics/generations lines are FAR superior to most movie figures). I will always have the awesome games and comics, and the figures, so let the movies suck all they want, I'll just rewatch the animated movie and feel better.

I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

I wonder if there just trying to keep the new design secret or there not finished.

If optimus looks the same, would it be possible we might get a re-release of jetwing, or a release of a striker optimus here?

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

It's just like the world not ending on the 21st all over again

All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!

Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.

burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!

Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM

Dude that is sick!
Doesn't look like a toy robot to me at all. Looks even cooler coz I can actually see exactly what its supposed to be.

Also, Bandai and Sony have bought domain names for a live action theatrical Gundam movie. Talk about 'boxy toys', Gundam is nothing but 'shoe boxes'. I wonder how American audiences will respond to that. IF they go in droves, the Bayverse is finished period. I would rather pony up 15 for IMAX 3D for a live action OYW Gundam movie than a bottom barrel Bayformer film. Period.

Turns out it was just fan art and that facebook page is a fake. Removed as news.

http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806

At least we got to talk about the weaknesses of the Bayverse. There will be challengers for giant robot movies these coming years. I wonder if Transformers can really compete with a competently made Gundam or the not Neon Genesis Evangelion movie: Pacific Rim. I highly doubt it to be quite honest. I know for sure Bay won't have my money and I watched all three movies at the theaters especially since they were all released on or around my birthday June 28

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

Not nearly as many times as these forums have been subjected to the blanket negativity towards the movies.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.

All Burn said was that there have been complaints about changes in the fnrachise for over 25 years, and I was just saying how he's right. Never once did either of us explicitly refer to the complaints of the changes the Bay films have made. Just changes in general.

And, he wasn't dissing anyone. He was making a general observation that both matched with how the fandom has typically viewed radical changes in the franchise over the years and fit as a sarcastic remark towards said fandom of said franchise since said franchise is themed around toys that "change".

No need to get personal about a light jab at irony.

burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!

Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM

Now that right there, that does not look like a toy. That's much closer to what the Movieverse designs would look like in a good compromise like the WFC/FOC. We need more designs closer to that.

burning_sirius wrote:Also, Bandai and Sony have bought domain names for a live action theatrical Gundam movie. Talk about 'boxy toys', Gundam is nothing but 'shoe boxes'. I wonder how American audiences will respond to that. IF they go in droves, the Bayverse is finished period. I would rather pony up 15 for IMAX 3D for a live action OYW Gundam movie than a bottom barrel Bayformer film. Period.

Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.

Genuine question. Wasn't it mostly the Mobile Suit Gundam, 8th MS Team, 0080, 0083, etc. designs that were the "boxiest"? Or, were there others from later series that were even blockier?

El Duque wrote:Turns out it was just fan art and that facebook page is a fake. Removed as news.

http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806

Well, that was a waste.

Fake, eh? I did feel a disturbance in the Force when I first looked at it.

I've grown apathetic toward the Bayformers. Movies One and Two were the best in my opinion, Three was just like Halo 4: wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be. My philosophy: if I like it, I'll get it. If I don't, I don't even glance in its direction.

Sabrblade wrote:Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.

Genuine question. Wasn't it mostly the Mobile Suit Gundam, 8th MS Team, 0080, 0083, etc. designs that were the "boxiest"? Or, were there others from later series that were even blockier?

Gundam 00 has blocky designs.

http://www.animeout.com/wp-content/uplo ... dam002.jpg

SEED Gundam was designed by the guy who did the original Gundam. It also has a blocky design. Too bad the puffy CGI makes them all look terrible with their dumb backpacks.

http://static.zerochan.net/Mobile.Suit. ... .53008.jpg

Wing and G also have blocky classic Gundam designs. Unicorn is even more blocky because as UC advances the more giant and awesome the mechs are until the F-90 project where they became much smaller from 22 m tall to 15 m tall. Optimus Prime of course is 10 m tall approximately.