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I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

I wonder if there just trying to keep the new design secret or there not finished.

If optimus looks the same, would it be possible we might get a re-release of jetwing, or a release of a striker optimus here?

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

It's just like the world not ending on the 21st all over again

All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!

Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.

burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!

Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM

Dude that is sick!
Doesn't look like a toy robot to me at all. Looks even cooler coz I can actually see exactly what its supposed to be.

Also, Bandai and Sony have bought domain names for a live action theatrical Gundam movie. Talk about 'boxy toys', Gundam is nothing but 'shoe boxes'. I wonder how American audiences will respond to that. IF they go in droves, the Bayverse is finished period. I would rather pony up 15 for IMAX 3D for a live action OYW Gundam movie than a bottom barrel Bayformer film. Period.

Turns out it was just fan art and that facebook page is a fake. Removed as news.

http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806

At least we got to talk about the weaknesses of the Bayverse. There will be challengers for giant robot movies these coming years. I wonder if Transformers can really compete with a competently made Gundam or the not Neon Genesis Evangelion movie: Pacific Rim. I highly doubt it to be quite honest. I know for sure Bay won't have my money and I watched all three movies at the theaters especially since they were all released on or around my birthday June 28

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

Not nearly as many times as these forums have been subjected to the blanket negativity towards the movies.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.

Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.

If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).

Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.

All Burn said was that there have been complaints about changes in the fnrachise for over 25 years, and I was just saying how he's right. Never once did either of us explicitly refer to the complaints of the changes the Bay films have made. Just changes in general.

And, he wasn't dissing anyone. He was making a general observation that both matched with how the fandom has typically viewed radical changes in the franchise over the years and fit as a sarcastic remark towards said fandom of said franchise since said franchise is themed around toys that "change".

No need to get personal about a light jab at irony.

burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!

Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM

Now that right there, that does not look like a toy. That's much closer to what the Movieverse designs would look like in a good compromise like the WFC/FOC. We need more designs closer to that.

burning_sirius wrote:Also, Bandai and Sony have bought domain names for a live action theatrical Gundam movie. Talk about 'boxy toys', Gundam is nothing but 'shoe boxes'. I wonder how American audiences will respond to that. IF they go in droves, the Bayverse is finished period. I would rather pony up 15 for IMAX 3D for a live action OYW Gundam movie than a bottom barrel Bayformer film. Period.

Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.

Genuine question. Wasn't it mostly the Mobile Suit Gundam, 8th MS Team, 0080, 0083, etc. designs that were the "boxiest"? Or, were there others from later series that were even blockier?

El Duque wrote:Turns out it was just fan art and that facebook page is a fake. Removed as news.

http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806

Well, that was a waste.

Fake, eh? I did feel a disturbance in the Force when I first looked at it.

I've grown apathetic toward the Bayformers. Movies One and Two were the best in my opinion, Three was just like Halo 4: wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be. My philosophy: if I like it, I'll get it. If I don't, I don't even glance in its direction.

Sabrblade wrote:Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.

Genuine question. Wasn't it mostly the Mobile Suit Gundam, 8th MS Team, 0080, 0083, etc. designs that were the "boxiest"? Or, were there others from later series that were even blockier?

Gundam 00 has blocky designs.

http://www.animeout.com/wp-content/uplo ... dam002.jpg

SEED Gundam was designed by the guy who did the original Gundam. It also has a blocky design. Too bad the puffy CGI makes them all look terrible with their dumb backpacks.

http://static.zerochan.net/Mobile.Suit. ... .53008.jpg

Wing and G also have blocky classic Gundam designs. Unicorn is even more blocky because as UC advances the more giant and awesome the mechs are until the F-90 project where they became much smaller from 22 m tall to 15 m tall. Optimus Prime of course is 10 m tall approximately.

burning_sirius wrote:Gundam 00 has blocky designs.

http://www.animeout.com/wp-content/uplo ... dam002.jpg

Those don't look too boxy to me. They look very sleek and angular.

burning_sirius wrote:SEED Gundam was designed by the guy who did the original Gundam. It also has a blocky design. Too bad the puffy CGI makes them all look terrible with their dumb backpacks.

http://static.zerochan.net/Mobile.Suit. ... .53008.jpg

Image link is broken. Its host site doesn't permit hotlinking.

Sabrblade wrote:

burning_sirius wrote:Gundam 00 has blocky designs.

http://www.animeout.com/wp-content/uplo ... dam002.jpg

Those don't look too boxy to me. They look very sleek and angular.

burning_sirius wrote:SEED Gundam was designed by the guy who did the original Gundam. It also has a blocky design. Too bad the puffy CGI makes them all look terrible with their dumb backpacks.

http://static.zerochan.net/Mobile.Suit. ... .53008.jpg

Image link is broken. Its host site doesn't permit hotlinking.

If your argument is updated G1 designs, I could get behind that. All these gundams slavishly adhere to the Gundam formula.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed/gat-x105.htm

Just make sure you are not looking at anything done by Hajime Katoki. He updates designs look at the original.

Next to us, they are the most divided fandom.

burning_sirius wrote:If your argument is updated G1 designs, I could get behind that. All these gundams slavishly adhere to the Gundam formula.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/seed/gat-x105.htm

I guess that design there does seem a bit on the blocky side, but I've seen worse.

burning_sirius wrote:Just make sure you are not looking at anything done by Hajime Katoki. He updates designs look at the original.

Next to us, they are the most divided fandom.

And let us never, and I mean never, speak of the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom. Say just about anything and they will eat both you and each other alive.