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I have to be honest I didn't expect this category to be as hard as it was for me to choose, but it was for some odd reason.
Anyways here are my picks if anyone is curious.....
Barricade
Frenzy..........like duh he is pure awesomeness.
Hound
Ironhide
and my last choice is Bonecrusher , for some reason he was my Mom's favorite from the movie and she got me his deluxe figure for Christmas of 2007, which was her last Christmas, so this vote is for her.
But to be perfectly honest I never understood why she liked him.

I'm a little surprised Sentinel is not getting more votes. Not only was he THE pivotal character in DoTM, but he had a good design, alt mode and a great voice actor. But I guess that's just my opinion.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm a little surprised Sentinel is not getting more votes. Not only was he THE pivotal character in DoTM, but he had a good design, alt mode and a great voice actor. But I guess that's just my opinion.

Most casual fans I know hate Sentinel because he killed Ironhide.

They don't care if he is a well written character or not.

Deadput wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm a little surprised Sentinel is not getting more votes. Not only was he THE pivotal character in DoTM, but he had a good design, alt mode and a great voice actor. But I guess that's just my opinion.

Most casual fans I know hate Sentinel because he killed Ironhide.

They don't care if he is a well written character or not.

A lot of Star Trek fans also hate how Sentinel disgraced and distorted the meaning behind Spock's dying words.

Sabrblade wrote:A lot of Star Trek fans also hate how Sentinel disgraced and distorted the meaning behind Spock's dying words.

While I understand that I feel like that was intentional though.

If I remember correctly as someone who hasn't seen much Star Trek Spock is a character who keeps his emotions repressed while Sentinel is a very emotional character with his whole goal in the movie being based on how he feels his species as a race is treated and how much he desperately wants Cybertron to be fixed.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:A lot of Star Trek fans also hate how Sentinel disgraced and distorted the meaning behind Spock's dying words.

While I understand that I feel like that was intentional though.

It was intentional to have Leonard Nimoy besmirch his most beloved role of all time? Ouch.

Sabrblade wrote:It was intentional to have Leonard Nimoy besmirch his most beloved role of all time? Ouch.

I mean that it was intentional to be using the statement ironically or selfishly.

I can't explain it in words so I couldn't tell you exactly how I feel about it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:A lot of Star Trek fans also hate how Sentinel disgraced and distorted the meaning behind Spock's dying words.

While I understand that I feel like that was intentional though.

It was intentional to have Leonard Nimoy besmirch his most beloved role of all time? Ouch.

I would think if it was intentional Nimoy would have refused to say the line. Unless he didn't think it was a detriment to the line or the character of Spock and it's just another pointless thing some fans are bellyaching about. And I guess just because a character is good it doesn't mean he can be a fan favorite.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:A lot of Star Trek fans also hate how Sentinel disgraced and distorted the meaning behind Spock's dying words.

While I understand that I feel like that was intentional though.

It was intentional to have Leonard Nimoy besmirch his most beloved role of all time? Ouch.

I would think if it was intentional Nimoy would have refused to say the line.

Peter Cullen objected to several of his own lines in DOTM and AOE, yet he was overruled and (after some mental conditioning on his part) had to say them anyway.

Peter Cullen objected to several of his own lines in DOTM and AOE, yet he was overruled and (after some mental conditioning on his part) had to say them anyway.

Those 2 are not the same. Cullen's bread and butter is Optimus Prime. It's the character he's most famous for. Nimoy voiced Sentinel simply because he was related to Bay and Bay asked him to do it. The only thing I can think of is Nimoy not wanting to break the contract, but really how hard is it to get out of that, if the line was a big deal to him?

Personally, I thought it was a nice homage, even if the line was used in the complete opposite situation. It was still appropriate to Sentinel's intentions.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Peter Cullen objected to several of his own lines in DOTM and AOE, yet he was overruled and (after some mental conditioning on his part) had to say them anyway.

Those 2 are not the same. Cullen's bread and butter is Optimus Prime. It's the character he's most famous for. Nimoy voiced Sentinel simply because he was related to Bay and Bay asked him to do it. The only thing I can think of is Nimoy not wanting to break the contract, but really how hard is it to get out of that, if the line was a big deal to him?

Personally, I thought it was a nice homage, even if the line was used in the complete opposite situation. It was still appropriate to Sentinel's intentions.

They're still Spock dying words, which are sacred to a lot of Star Trek fans. Taking them out of context and using them in a negative, even downright villainous, light is what bothered those fans.

It's fine if you don't agree, but understand their perspective, at least.

Sabrblade wrote:They're still Spock dying words, which are sacred to a lot of Star Trek fans. Taking them out of context and using them in a negative, even downright villainous, light is what bothered those fans.

It's fine if you don't agree, but understand their perspective, at least.

In my opinion it's just a movie quote nothing to blow a fuse over...(Has visions remembering what a fan base is)

Only time I personally care about quotes is if their actually cheesy/bad ones or those that are overused until their annoying and/or lose actual meaning with a in-franchise example being a few overused 1986 Transformer movie quotes.


I swear if I hear ti'll all are one another darn time...wait a minute.

Deadput the angry fan wrote:"it's just a movie quote nothing to blow a fuse over"

It's fine if you don't agree, but understand their perspective, at least.

I try to. I'm not a Trekkie though, so I can't relate. I do comprehend that the character's sacrifice was an important moment in the franchise, making that particular line more meaningful, and that they view using it in DoTM as sacrilege, especially by the same person who played Spock. Do Trekkies blame Nimoy?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

It's fine if you don't agree, but understand their perspective, at least.

I try to. I'm not a Trekkie though, so I can't relate. I do comprehend that the character's sacrifice was an important moment in the franchise, making that particular line more meaningful,

Indeed. The death of Spock, Star Trek's most popular character of the time, in The Wrath of Khan was a bold move that both shocked and touched tons of Trek fans back then, similar to how the death of Optimus Prime in the '86 movie affected many kids, only with Spock it was adults who were affected too. His death was one of the most powerful and moving moments in Star Trek history up to that point, and still holds a lot of emotional weight to this day. Helps that it happened in what's not only considered the best Stark Trek film ever, but also a pretty darn good movie, in general, in and of itself, full of rich characterization, compelling performances, and thought-provoking messages that, when taken altogether, has made people consider the film to be almost "Shakespearean".

And fortunately, the teaser ending of the movie hinted at his possible return, which got many hopeful and excited for the next one when the title was revealed to be "The Search for Spock".

Rodimus Prime wrote:and that they view using it in DoTM as sacrilege, especially by the same person who played Spock. Do Trekkies blame Nimoy?

The most ire I've seen from Trek fans about the line's misuse was either directed at the movie itself, or directed squarely at Bay himself, as people are wont to do in general when it comes to Michael Bay films that they don't like (it's not just us TF fans who do this, but fans of other franchises/interests as well, such as history buffs who hated the Pearl Harbor movie). Of course, I'm sure some still recognize that there are/were others at fault besides Bay, like the writers and such.

I don't want to go off topic too much, so I'll just say that Wrath of Khan was my favorite until the 2009 Trek film despite my aversion to Orci and Kurtzman, even though I never liked the Spock character. I just wanted to find out why Sentinel is so disregarded despite being a well-developed main character (a rarity in Bayverse).

Dam!!!!
Now I kind of regret that I didn't vote for Sentinel Prime , besides the fact that I loved him in DOTM, reading all the stuff above would have made him an easy choice. I did not know that Trekkies were so pissed off about him saying that quote, I actually found it cool. Also in a way was Sentinel really "evil", he just wanted to save his planet and his race from extinction and as he explained "You simply fail to understand that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
Sure from a human perspective he would seem like the "big ol' bad guy", but if you were a Cybertronian he very well could have been your savior.
I though the line was used perfectly in both context of his motives and as a cool homage.

Michael Alex Kawa wrote:Also in a way was Sentinel really "evil", he just wanted to save his planet and his race from extinction and as he explained "You simply fail to understand that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

He planned to wipe out humanity and destroy Earth to rebuild Cybertron. Premeditated global mass murder qualifies as evil don't you think? Even though as was stated in DoTM Earth was a pre-planned meeting place for Sentinel and Megatron "so many years ago." I haven't read any other movieverse support material so I don't know if it was ever explained if there was life on this planet when that decision was made. If we go by Bayverse chronology it had to be after the Star Harvester was built by The Fallen and by then there was sentient life here so that means Sentinel made a conscious decision to wipe out the entire population of a planet when he could have found an uninhabited planet to use. Or maybe as it was said, they needed slaves to help rebuild. Man I wish Bayverse wasn't such a jumbled mess story-wise.

Sure from a human perspective he would seem like the "big ol' bad guy", but if you were a Cybertronian he very well could have been your savior.

I doubt the Autobots would have approved.

I thought the line was used perfectly in both context of his motives and as a cool homage.

I agree that the line fit well with Sentinel's intentions but I think it was written after Nimoy's involvement was decided. As Sabrblade said, it's what he's most famous for. Not the line per se, but the event (Spock's death) that's associated with it.

I voted for Ratchet. Loved him in the first one, and enjoyed his look and brief glimpses in the series. I hated his outright murder in AoE, especially by Fraiser.

Swoop77 wrote:I voted for Ratchet. Loved him in the first one, and enjoyed his look and brief glimpses in the series. I hated his outright murder in AoE, especially by Fraiser.

He wasn't there when Lockdown killed Ratchet.

Maybe I'm thinking of when they caught him on the docks I guess. I just remember him pleading for his life saying he was a medic. I've only seen AoE once.

Swoop77 wrote:Maybe I'm thinking of when they caught him on the docks I guess. I just remember him pleading for his life saying he was a medic. I've only seen AoE once.

I forgot the word "there". Attinger wasn't there when Lockdown killed Ratchet. Savoy and other Cemetery Wind soldiers were, but not Attinger.

Swoop77 wrote:I voted for Ratchet. Loved him in the first one, and enjoyed his look and brief glimpses in the series. I hated his outright murder in AoE, especially by Fraiser.

Why are we so against the concept of heroes dying?

Ratchet had 3 movies before hand to show off so ultimately he had his run even if not used to his full potential, Ratchet's death is one of the most powerful and best written/shot scenes in the movie franchise and his death did matter to the story.

It's what Ironhide's death should of been although while his was important to the story to show Sentinels betrayal and it would of not worked as well if anyone else was killed in his place it did not have the impact that it should of had and nobody mourned for him besides Prime's subtle anger when he arrives at the nest base.

If you felt sadness or anger at his death then the scene did what it was supposed to... I would rather have that then a movie where all the Autobots survive with no consequences what so ever like The last Knight sans Canopy who was a new character and although his death was also a good one he was forgotten about at the end by Izebella who was the only one to have any relationship to him unlike Ratchet where his fellow Autobots were upset with what was done to him.

I wouldn't say I was against characters dying. I mean Claudius has to die or its all for nothing. Ratchet was just an old childhood favorite that I hated to see killed so brutally on screen. The series has had several instanceses of autobots dying, Jetfire died just so Optimus could wear him for a few minutes. I guess my only woe was nostalgia for Ratchet dating back to when he was a headless windshield bot.

Deadput wrote:

Swoop77 wrote:I voted for Ratchet. Loved him in the first one, and enjoyed his look and brief glimpses in the series. I hated his outright murder in AoE, especially by Fraiser.

Why are we so against the concept of heroes dying?

There's a difference between a character dying and a character being murdered in cold blood, er, oil. The latter is what he didn't like.

It's not simply that Ratchet died but how he died. Execution (no pun intended) matters to people.

Is Ratchet really dead, though? We didn't see his spark destroyed, and IIRC they made it a point in the movie to tell us that that's the soul of a Transformer and as long as it stays intact everything else can be rebuilt. Or does Megatron's DoTM "death" and subsequent AoE resurrection contradict that? Again I say, I wish Bayverse wasn't such a mess story-wise.