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Cool lookin' blade.

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

Ultra Magnus wrote:#Star Saber

i was thinking that too

Just noticed that the file name calls it "the Cyber Sword" (or "thecybersowrd" [sic]). Wonder if that'll be the final name.

Or, maybe it might have a name that reflects its dual sword-gun function.

I'm gonna have to agree w/ Sabrblade. If there's one thing we don't need in the TF movies, it's another bloody star saber.

No one is mentioning how well guns were handled in TF Prime? I like how they did something, but they were so weak that the characters could take the hit and still run up and start fighting with melee. I also liked how they actually had to make some effort to dodge the blasts, unlike in TFTM where the Decepticons literally just walk away as the autobots fire.

YRQRM0 wrote:No one is mentioning how well guns were handled in TF Prime? I like how they did something, but they were so weak that the characters could take the hit and still run up and start fighting with melee. I also liked how they actually had to make some effort to dodge the blasts, unlike in TFTM where the Decepticons literally just walk away as the autobots fire.

I REALLY hated the guns in Prime.

Manterax Prime wrote:If there's one thing we don't need in the TF movies, it's another bloody star saber.

Many people say the same thing about Bumblebee and humans in the movies (or in general). Guess what keeps coming back?

Besides, the only Star Sabers that appeared on a screen in the US were the ones in Armada and Prime (and by moniker, Animated). They're just a little more recurring in Transformers fiction than Scrounge.

PrymeStriker wrote:

Manterax Prime wrote:If there's one thing we don't need in the TF movies, it's another bloody star saber.

Many people say the same thing about Bumblebee and humans in the movies (or in general). Guess what keeps coming back?

Besides, the only Star Sabers that appeared on a screen in the US were the ones in Armada and Prime (and by moniker, Animated). They're just a little more recurring in Transformers fiction than Scrounge.

It's not that there's too many (but there is indeed a bunch), it's that the "Magic god sword" concept of the bloody thing is so overrated and pretty much godmodes anyone who uses it (unless their opponent wields another magical MacGuffin weapon that similarly godmodes its wielder).

Despite the terrible dub script, Armada put it best whenever it talked about anyone who used that Star Saber as hiding behind the sword's power. "You'd be nothing without that sword," or "It's not your power but the sword's power."

These kind of weapons basically take away from the humanity (so to speak) of the characters who wield them.

Sabrblade wrote:Just noticed that the file name calls it "the Cyber Sword" (or "thecybersowrd" [sic]). Wonder if that'll be the final name.

Or, maybe it might have a name that reflects its dual sword-gun function.

Gunblade?

Sabrblade wrote:it's that the "Magic god sword" concept of the bloody thing is so overrated and pretty much godmodes anyone who uses it (unless their opponent wields another magical MacGuffin weapon that similarly godmodes its wielder).

Unless they intend to give it some sort of setback in the film.

Michael Bay's already made characters different from their source material, why not the Star Saber?

PrymeStriker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:it's that the "Magic god sword" concept of the bloody thing is so overrated and pretty much godmodes anyone who uses it (unless their opponent wields another magical MacGuffin weapon that similarly godmodes its wielder).

Unless they intend to give it some sort of setback in the film.

Michael Bay's already made characters different from their source material, why not the Star Saber?

Well, if it's not gonna be the almighty Star Saber, then what's the point in even using the name?

I doubt Hasbro would want fans of the Prime cartoon watching this movie and thinking "Why is the Star Saber so puny and pitiful in this movie?"

Sabrblade wrote:Well, if it's not gonna be the almighty Star Saber, then what's the point in even using the name?

I doubt Hasbro would want fans of the Prime cartoon watching this movie and thinking "Why is the Star Saber so puny and pitiful in this movie?"

Just using Michael Bay's (or whoever designates the characters) history of diverting characters (Barricade, Jolt, Skids & Mudflap, Shockwave) from their source material against the Star Saber.

They could very well make it some sort of godmode relic. In that case, they don't need to bring it in at the exposition of the movie to be some sort of epic plot device that wins over the entire movie. Putting some sort of weapon of incredible power to use within the resolution of the story in these kinds of situations are commonplace.

So, what would the matter be if the Star Saber was used to resolve the conflict 10 minutes to the end of the movie?

PrymeStriker wrote:So, what would the matter be if the Star Saber was used to resolve the conflict 10 minutes to the end of the movie?

The matter would be that it'd also take away from the suspense of the film, with it being obvious that the thing would resolve all conflicts at once sooner or later. It's the very nature of an anti-climatic deus ex machina.

I've no problem with powerful swords so long as they're not so far above average as to be "the most powerful sword in the universe" or some such levels of perfection.

Besides, we've seen both Wahlberg and Reynor using this kind of weapon, so there could be more than one (which would kind of destract from the special nature that the Star Saber tends to have).

Sabrblade wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:So, what would the matter be if the Star Saber was used to resolve the conflict 10 minutes to the end of the movie?

The matter would be that it'd also take away from the suspense of the film, with it being obvious that the thing would resolve all conflicts at once sooner or later. It's the very nature of an anti-climatic deus ex machina.

I've no problem with powerful swords so long as they're not so far above average as to be "the most powerful sword in the universe" or some such levels of perfection.

Besides, we've seen both Wahlberg and Reynor using this kind of weapon, so there could be more than one (which would kind of destract from the special nature that the Star Saber tends to have).

Isn't Wahlberg 's character supposed to be some kind of inventor? If that is the case this "gunblade" may not even be Cybertronain in origin.

njb902 wrote:Isn't Wahlberg 's character supposed to be some kind of inventor? If that is the case this "gunblade" may not even be Cybertronain in origin.

Interesting idea.

Sabrblade wrote:

njb902 wrote:Isn't Wahlberg 's character supposed to be some kind of inventor? If that is the case this "gunblade" may not even be Cybertronain in origin.

Interesting idea.

Thing is, it has some Cybertronian makings on it. Why would he feel the need to carve those on his invention? Maybe it's something he replicated from the original in order to fool the Decepticons or evil humans?

Either way, there would still have to be an original Cybertonian "gunblade" thing.

Or perhaps something he modified from another Cybertonian artifact, hence the markings?

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

njb902 wrote:Isn't Wahlberg 's character supposed to be some kind of inventor? If that is the case this "gunblade" may not even be Cybertronain in origin.

Interesting idea.

Thing is, it has some Cybertronian makings on it. Why would he feel the need to carve those on his invention? Maybe it's something he replicated from the original in order to fool the Decepticons or evil humans?

Either way, there would still have to be an original Cybertonian "gunblade" thing.

Or perhaps something he modified from another Cybertonian artifact, hence the markings?

Why would there need to be an original "gunblade"? Humans have had access to Cybertronain technology for decades. Is it hard to believe that an engineer couldn't adapt their tech into a weapon a human could use?

As for why it has Cybertronain markings there are any number of possibilities. He could have been honoring part of its origins, he could be ocd, the Autobots/Decepticons could have made him, I could be wrong, the materials he obtained could have already had the markings stamped into them. Ect ect.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just a theory, time will tell.

njb902 wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

njb902 wrote:Isn't Wahlberg 's character supposed to be some kind of inventor? If that is the case this "gunblade" may not even be Cybertronain in origin.

Interesting idea.

Thing is, it has some Cybertronian makings on it. Why would he feel the need to carve those on his invention? Maybe it's something he replicated from the original in order to fool the Decepticons or evil humans?

Either way, there would still have to be an original Cybertonian "gunblade" thing.

Or perhaps something he modified from another Cybertonian artifact, hence the markings?

Why would there need to be an original "gunblade"? Humans have had access to Cybertronain technology for decades. Is it hard to believe that an engineer couldn't adapt their tech into a weapon a human could use?

As for why it has Cybertronain markings there are any number of possibilities. He could have been honoring part of its origins, he could be ocd, the Autobots/Decepticons could have made him, I could be wrong, the materials he obtained could have already had the markings stamped into them. Ect ect.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying you're wrong. It's just a theory, time will tell.

No worries, friend! I'm not out to start an argument over theories either.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying that a human engineer can't reverse-engineer or modify Cybertronian tech for human uses. In fact, it's the most natural thing to do. That's one of the main premises of AOE, as a matter of fact.

All I'm saying is that it just seems unlikely (NOT impossible; there's a huge difference there) that someone would carve out those symbols there just for the sake of it.

njb902 wrote: the materials he obtained could have already had the markings stamped into them

Just to point something out, I DO in fact agree with this. That's exactly what I said in my last post: "...Or perhaps something he modified from another Cybertonian artifact, hence the markings?"

So yeah, we'll only know for sure once the movie hits theaters next year.

I don't think it is main characterąs invention. After all, what is a point of human create a gunblade based on Cybertronian technology, I quess it is yet another Cybertronian relic... Star Saber perhaps?

TurboMMaster wrote:I don't think it is main characterąs invention. After all, what is a point of human create a gunblade based on Cybertronian technology, I quess it is yet another Cybertronian relic... Star Saber perhaps?

My guess would be to use it against Cybertronains.

Did they need such kind of weapon in previous movies? Remember that humans are stronger part of Humans-Autobots aliance. They protect Autobots from certain death. All what the need is few well trained soldiers. Autobots have no chance against them.

TurboMMaster wrote:Did they need such kind of weapon in previous movies? Remember that humans are stronger part of Humans-Autobots aliance. They protect Autobots from certain death. All what the need is few well trained soldiers. Autobots have no chance against them.

Yeah I'm sure all the people who lost loved ones in Chicago thought the military was just so prepared to deal with Cybertronains. I also know I'd just love to go up against walking tanks with conventional small arms.

njb902 wrote:

TurboMMaster wrote:Did they need such kind of weapon in previous movies? Remember that humans are stronger part of Humans-Autobots aliance. They protect Autobots from certain death. All what the need is few well trained soldiers. Autobots have no chance against them.

Yeah I'm sure all the people who lost loved ones in Chicago thought the military was just so prepared to deal with Cybertronains. I also know I'd just love to go up against walking tanks with conventional small arms.

I suspect he was just being sarcastic. Just guessing here.

Looking at this image - I think it works because its heavy and built to take abuse.

Look at other split-bladed weapons, such as Soul Calibur for example:



That thing looks so fragile that I can't help but look at it and think - No way, that's gonna crack & break in to pieces.

Whoever created this image [OP] knew what they were doing, it fits both visually and in the TF lore - as in that must transform. [If it doesn't than, than, it's just neat but not functional for TF in any way].