ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And I disagree with you about the proportions in robot mode being more in line with Motormaster. They're more like a chunky version of the G1 Optimus toy design, which I also brought up.
Also:
1. The CW Optimus/MM torso is NOT larger than the legs. Are you only counting the thighs? If so, I'll just remind you that the scrawny thighs are very Optimus.
2. It's not really larger (by which I'm guessing you mean wider) than the waist either. You're acting like the waist is just the groin section - it isn't. The outer part of his waist is actually part of the thighs, just like on TR Powermaster Optimus Prime or the SIEGE Seeker mold.
For my money, the combined mode is more in line with a trainwreck than anything else IMO it's not really in line with Motormaster; I think if it was the torso mode would be built more along the lines of Silverbolt, Hot Spot/Onslaught, and Hun-Gurrr's torso modes.
Proportion-wise it actually compares more to Energon Optimus' super mode.. But mostly, it's a just a bloody mess.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I'll have to agree that the mold was designed with Optimus first, but not for the same reason as Zelda. The main reason was the fact that the line needed an Optimus figure, because all lines get at least 1. The designers knew that since the line was Combiner Wars, eventually there was going to be a Motormaster, so instead of giving both Prime and MM their own mold like they should have, they just tried to go cheap and use the same for both. The MM figure by itself could squeak by, but the Menasor combiner suffered for it. For me it is tied with PoTP Grimlock as the worst torso in Prime Wars. They both cause out of proportioned floppy messes for gestalts. Hence why I use Cyclonus with the Stunticons and Sky Lynx with the Dinobots when I display them.
Yeah, to each his own. I'm glad you have a solid Grimmy, mine is a floppy mess. I don't like how Volcanicus looks anyway, so it's no big deal. But like you said, they weren't combiners before, so there's no real precedent to follow.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Say what you will, Roddy, but I've never had the trouble with Grimlock that I have with Motormaster. Grimlock's arms lock together in a more suitable way for torso mode as long as the tabs are lined up right, and they have Grimlock's dino torso halves to help anchor them.
And Volcanicus' proportions get a pass for me, because in his case it's not like there was an existing design to live up to.
If that happens, I hope it won't be for about 6-8 years, otherwise what was the point of getting the CW line, since they will be most likely inferior to the new ones? I think Drag Strip is a good figure, even if the mold was designed with Mirage in mind first. But yeah, definitely need a new Motormaster.If they do a Combiner Wars rerun, I hope they do a new Motormaster mold. And a new Drag Strip mold for preference, but that's just for looks.
I wonder if I can help somehow. Hmm.Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, to each his own. I'm glad you have a solid Grimmy, mine is a floppy mess.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Say what you will, Roddy, but I've never had the trouble with Grimlock that I have with Motormaster. Grimlock's arms lock together in a more suitable way for torso mode as long as the tabs are lined up right, and they have Grimlock's dino torso halves to help anchor them.
And Volcanicus' proportions get a pass for me, because in his case it's not like there was an existing design to live up to.
When I said rerun, I meant having the line be reissues of CW/UW/PotP combiners toys (hence my specifying new molds for Motormaster and maybe Drag Strip).Rodimus Prime wrote:If that happens, I hope it won't be for about 6-8 years, otherwise what was the point of getting the CW line, since they will be most likely inferior to the new ones?If they do a Combiner Wars rerun, I hope they do a new Motormaster mold. And a new Drag Strip mold for preference, but that's just for looks.
That, I'm not so sure about; he feels like "Drag Strip but they got his upper half backwards" (and it's a bit backwards for Mirage too)Rodimus Prime wrote:I think Drag Strip is a good figure, even if the mold was designed with Mirage in mind first.
Indeed.Rodimus Prime wrote:But yeah, definitely need a new Motormaster.
I see. Are you absolutely sure you're putting them into the right slots? I know from experience that Grimlock has a "false friend" slot on each arm right next to the correct one.Rodimus Prime wrote:The problem with my Grimlock is the tabs on his arms that supposed go into his sides/shoulders in torso mode. They don't want to stay, especially when adding the weight of the limb. I doubt anything short of gluing it would fix it. But then he would be permanently in torso mode.
Maybe... But that could also be down to genericizing of the car mode. After all, having four front wheels is peculiar to the Tyrrell P34.Rodimus Prime wrote:As for Drag Strip, I said the mold is Mirage first, because otherwise there would be space for Drag Strip's 2nd set of front wheels.
M. Spector wrote:Im going to jump in as a neutral third party with no attachment to the original toy and cartoon and say based on a basic photo comparison I would say Motormaster owns that mold much better visually and technically than OP
blackeyedprime wrote:M. Spector wrote:Im going to jump in as a neutral third party with no attachment to the original toy and cartoon and say based on a basic photo comparison I would say Motormaster owns that mold much better visually and technically than OP
I didn't even bother with optimus other than the white version as it didn't really look like him. Most of the other chunky optimus suffer from the legs being too short rather than the arms being too long.
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Looking at the UW and CW versions the UW menasor is definitely the winner, they might not have sorted the miscolored black panels out on dragstrip (which is weird when they corrected rest of the cars) but at least it has the red markings and in the correct direction. It's a safe bet to say dragstrip was modelled with optimus prime in mind with him only having four wheels... Jk :p
Most complete combiners can be found preowned at £80ish so limb over pricing doesn't make sense though I really wouldn't be surprised if a new devestator shows up in the wfc line and it would be nice to have base mode combiners for those that had them. Don't really want to upgrade the combiner wars versions but if improvements are made, I might.
Well, he technically scales with them at the cartoon "Big enough to step on everyone" size.. But that could just as easily be achieved with a non-Titan Devy and Legion-class versions of the regular characters.Rodimus Prime wrote:I wouldn't mind another Devastator if he scaled with the other gestalts. CW Devy is way too big. If it happens, and we get a Devy that's 6 deluxes instead of 6 voyagers that would be perfect. Then CW Devy would move over to my MP shelf, because he scales well with those.
I got him to use as a standalone since he's taller and more G1-looking than the Classics figure was. Combining is more of a bonus feature for him AFAIC.Rodimus Prime wrote:I got a CW Prime, but I also got a 3rd party kit for him called SND-1 and it upgraded hom to leader size and made him look just like IDW Prime. Obviously I don't combine him with anyone.
Yes, the Primo X-Mortis kit.ZeroWolf wrote:Did anyone ever release anything to make battle core prime into more like IDW Nova?
Rodimus Prime wrote:I wouldn't mind another Devastator if he scaled with the other gestalts. CW Devy is way too big.
ZeroWolf wrote:Did anyone ever release anything to make battle core prime into more like IDW Nova?
ZeroWolf wrote:Did anyone ever release anything to make battle core prime into more like IDW Nova?
There's also an actual add-on kit, SD-04 Primo X-Mortis.TF-fan kev777 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Did anyone ever release anything to make battle core prime into more like IDW Nova?
Yes, toyhax, I got their set, does a pretty nice job.
https://toyhax.com/for-comb-wars/1896-l ... prime.html
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