Rodimus Prime wrote:Before CW, I was selectively picking up figures from T30, but CW made me want to pick up every figure in the line. Except Alpha Bravo.
Happier times before **** hit the fan.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Before CW, I was selectively picking up figures from T30, but CW made me want to pick up every figure in the line. Except Alpha Bravo.
Most certainly. But you know what, I don't regret doing it with Combiner Wars, because each and every figure had a place and a purpose. I just wish Hasbro would have stuck with the traditional characters, instead of bringing the others into it. Okay, maybe Victorion was acceptable. And I understand they did it to tie in with the comic, but having the other G1 characters be able to combine kinda overdid it. And my wallet cried out in pain. Yes, I know fully that no one forced me to buy them. Except my OCD when it comes to collecting, which ironically I didn't have until Combiner Wars arrived.Burn wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Before CW, I was selectively picking up figures from T30, but CW made me want to pick up every figure in the line. Except Alpha Bravo.
Happier times before **** hit the fan.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Most certainly. But you know what, I don't regret doing it with Combiner Wars, because each and every figure had a place and a purpose. I just wish Hasbro would have stuck with the traditional characters, instead of bringing the others into it. Okay, maybe Victorion was acceptable. And I understand they did it to tie in with the comic, but having the other G1 characters be able to combine kinda overdid it. And my wallet cried out in pain. Yes, I know fully that no one forced me to buy them. Except my OCD when it comes to collecting, which ironically I didn't have until Combiner Wars arrived.Burn wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Before CW, I was selectively picking up figures from T30, but CW made me want to pick up every figure in the line. Except Alpha Bravo.
Happier times before **** hit the fan.
I think it's the fact that with how bloody huge Titans are, the cost of actually making the toy is high enough just by itself (There may not be much in the way of further development costs, but the production itself still has a labor cost and a substantial materials cost) that HasTak want to have confidence there will be profit before committing to produce a figure. Especially since people's willingness to buy the same mold in different colors tends to diminish the more expensive the toy is. With Titans having the price tag they do...Rodimus Prime wrote:I never understood why Titans are redeco-proof. I mean, is my thinking faulty for assuming that a redeco would cost a lot less to produce? There's no new engineering involved, no new parts or methods of assembly required. Just make the same figure in different color.
So are you saying that the Terrorcons couldn't have come out during Combiner Wars? What changed between then and their release in PoTP? Was the time gap that crucial to their development and/or production? I mean, the design team had to know they needed/were going to make them. Same with the Seacons, but I'll give them more slack since they seem to have had a lot of changes. But I still think the technical know-how existed a few years ago to produce them. As for the Titan repaints (specifically G2 Devy, just to keep it relevant to this thread), I would love to be clued into the step-by-step process of Titan Devastator came to be, from concept to method of delivery to stores.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Bringing the other traditional combiners into it properly would have required outright new molds, alas. Would you have really wanted them to try shoehorning cars and planes into being the Terrorcons and Seacons?
Rodimus Prime wrote:Also, I should have done what you did, and skipped the other G1 guys that weren't combiners originally, but I say that in hindsight with the knowledge of having Siege. I now have both lines collected almost completely, and the only way I try to justify it to myself is that CW represents the IDW versions, while Siege does the G1 figures.
That's exactly what I'm saying. Not because of engineering limits, but because of our oh-so-beloved companion: budget limitations. Hasbro was obviously only willing to invest in so many new molds for Combiner Wars, and only so much retooling of each mold. Just compare the Combiner Wars Technobots to the Unite Warriors Technobots.Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying that the Terrorcons couldn't have come out during Combiner Wars?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Bringing the other traditional combiners into it properly would have required outright new molds, alas. Would you have really wanted them to try shoehorning cars and planes into being the Terrorcons and Seacons?
Not the time gap itself so much, but the fact that PotP was a new line and thus had a new budget.Rodimus Prime wrote:What changed between then and their release in PoTP? Was the time gap that crucial to their development and/or production? I mean, the design team had to know they needed/were going to make them.
I think the Seacons were on the docket for PotP and the new tooling for at least some of them (Snaptrap/Turtler and Skalor/Gulf at the absolute minimum) was even ready (albeit not as fancy as the SELECTS versions), but they fell victim to PotP getting cut down to one year - just like the retail versions of several Prime Masters (and the Decoy Armor that would have accompanied them).Rodimus Prime wrote:Same with the Seacons, but I'll give them more slack since they seem to have had a lot of changes. But I still think the technical know-how existed a few years ago to produce them.
Bingo. It's not that they lacked the ability to develop them, but that Hasbro wasn't willing to spend that much more money on it at that time.ZeroWolf wrote:It's more the cost of the molds I think ZeldaTheSwordsman is referring to. When you look at it there was a limited number of molds in CW, because of the budget the line had.
Alright, so I reiterate my earlier point: why were the spots in the waves and the dollars in the budget taken up by figures that had no business combining, such as Sky Lynx and his 4 limbs (who weren't even the same between CW and UW, just like the Technobots) and even Prime and his limbs, which consisted of some of the 84 guys. Why didn't we get the Terrorcons in CW instead of Sky Lynx and his limbs? Prime and his limbs I can kinda understand, since they're all major characters and they had a prominent comic story backing them up. But the others? They might have combined in the comic once, and it was forgettable. Whereas the Terrorcons are 1 of the original combiner teams. And then if they really wanted to force the extra team on us, they should have pushed them back into PoTP, taking the place of the Terrorcons whom we got anyway. And if Prime got to combine with some guys, would it have been that difficult to give a shout-out to Masquerade? I know Cliffjumper probably wouldn't have made the cut, but the other 3 had deluxe figures, if I remember correctly. Yeah, I liked the homage to Energon Prime's color scheme, but this was supposed to be a G1 theme.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying. Not because of engineering limits, but because of our oh-so-beloved companion: budget limitations. Hasbro was obviously only willing to invest in so many new molds for Combiner Wars, and only so much retooling of each mold. Just compare the Combiner Wars Technobots to the Unite Warriors Technobots.Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying that the Terrorcons couldn't have come out during Combiner Wars?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Bringing the other traditional combiners into it properly would have required outright new molds, alas. Would you have really wanted them to try shoehorning cars and planes into being the Terrorcons and Seacons?
I reiterate: There was a limit to how many molds were being made, and the Terrorcons would have required all-new molds. All the random Autobot limbs? Those share molds with the Stunticons and Combaticons (well, Prowl uses the Streetwise version of the Dead End mold, but still). But the Terrorcons are animals. You can't so easily retool/reshell a car or a plane into an animal (And you certainly can't do a headswap redeco and call it good)! They would have required entirely new molds, or retooling so extensive as to practically be new molds, which was more than Hasbro was spending the money on within that line. Sky Lynx was a new mold, true, but he was only one new mold; the Terrorcons would have required 4 or 5.Rodimus Prime wrote:Alright, so I reiterate my earlier point: why were the spots in the waves and the dollars in the budget taken up by figures that had no business combining, such as Sky Lynx and his 4 limbs (who weren't even the same between CW and UW, just like the Technobots) and even Prime and his limbs, which consisted of some of the 84 guys. Why didn't we get the Terrorcons in CW instead of Sky Lynx and his limbs?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying. Not because of engineering limits, but because of our oh-so-beloved companion: budget limitations. Hasbro was obviously only willing to invest in so many new molds for Combiner Wars, and only so much retooling of each mold. Just compare the Combiner Wars Technobots to the Unite Warriors Technobots.Rodimus Prime wrote:So are you saying that the Terrorcons couldn't have come out during Combiner Wars?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Bringing the other traditional combiners into it properly would have required outright new molds, alas. Would you have really wanted them to try shoehorning cars and planes into being the Terrorcons and Seacons?
Again, the extra limbs from CW were redecoes to milk existing molds. PotP had a fresh budget for making new molds with. And probably a bigger one, after the success of CW.Rodimus Prime wrote:Whereas the Terrorcons are 1 of the original combiner teams. And then if they really wanted to force the extra team on us, they should have pushed them back into PoTP, taking the place of the Terrorcons whom we got anyway.
I have made the same complaint myself multiple times. Also, it was Windcharger, not Cliffjumper.Rodimus Prime wrote:And if Prime got to combine with some guys, would it have been that difficult to give a shout-out to Masquerade? I know Cliffjumper probably wouldn't have made the cut, but the other 3 had deluxe figures, if I remember correctly. Yeah, I liked the homage to Energon Prime's color scheme, but this was supposed to be a G1 theme.
The G1 combiners we did get had a lot of mold-recycling between them. Computron only got made because he was still vehicles, and he got made badly. Nosecone was Brawl with an ittybitty drill slapped on, Scattershot didn't get a new head and chestplate for Computron...Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay I get it about the budget and new molds. But it still seems to me that Hasbro was sloppy in preparation if they didn't allow the budget for the Terrorcons. I mean, that's literally the only team we were missing from G1. Couldn't they have just included it from the start? Yes, I know the Seacons were there as well, but they came later and there were 6 of them, so they're a special case. Besides, Computron is Abominus's counterpart, and he got made. These 'cons get no respect, I tell ya...
PotP having a bigger budget was just idle speculation on my part.Rodimus Prime wrote:As for PoTP having a bigger budget...what the hell did they spend it on? We got more from CW than PoTP, didn't we? Or did it go to TR instead, since that was the next line?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:JelZe, why do you have Wildrider listed ahead of Dead End?
Why is Off Road called Ruckus?
And where did the Armada Demolishor info come from?
ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks JelZe! Your listing skills are second to none.
I think the initial idea would have been to do the original four scramble City Combiners in combiner wars then seeing what they could do after that with the molds available.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Actually, it turns out that UW Motormaster seems to have Gold/Metallic Plastic Syndrome in his waist.
ZeroWolf wrote:Did you get gold Starscream? Also what you going to do about the God Neptune repaint (assuming it happens of course). Did you also get the TF Club combiner?
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