BeastProwl wrote:Wait wait, not to be a downer here, but Isnt talking political against the rules?
Dr. Heavy B wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Wait wait, not to be a downer here, but Isnt talking political against the rules?
I seem to remember a whole part of this form that was shut down because of political/philisopical fighting. I don't think political talk is against the rules, I think its the inevitable flame wars that come from typicaly heated arguments.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:How many threads do you intend to necrobump with your insane conspiracy theories?
DJrasmo wrote:Unfortunately, a 2nd civil war is fast becoming the only solution to the myriad problems of american society.
We have a population where the middle class and below are ruled by the upper class, who make all the rules to benefit themselves so they can get richer why the rest of the american economy lapses into ruin.
Do you think politicians care about what we pay for gas? Hell no, because congressman, house reps and every other high-ranking government official drive governement issued cars, the gas for which is all paid by a government expense credit card which is, in turn, paid off by OUR TAXES.
Do you think they care about what we pay in taxes? Hell no, because tax breaks, loop holes, and write-offs are all designed to be used by the upper class...people who can afford to pay taxes ANYWAY but refuse to do so because they can't live without that one extra "zero" at the end of thier bank accounts.
The government controls our very economy by either subterfuge or brute force.
For example of force, consider this...we can put satellites in space that outlast thier expected life span by almost TRIPLE (i was a satcom tech in the army for over a decade), we can put a man on the moon and a remote-control vehicle on mars...but Ford cant make a car that will operate to full efficiency past warranty? The truth is, Big Brother specifically designs consumer merchandise to be FLAWED, so that we have to continually cycle money by buying parts, services, or entire replacements for stuff that SHOULD last a lifetime. Only the rich seem immune to this...ever seen a story about Brad Pitt's limo or some actor's ferrari breaking down? Thats right...products for the rich are designed so they dont have to keep paying, while we do.
As an example of subterfuge...remember all the hoopla about HDL/LDL cholesterol? When was the last time you saw any of it? Probably not in a while, since it was a government TOOL used to influence how we spent our money (AKA buying what they wanted us to buy), and as soon as it lost effectiveness, they had to find some other "knee-jerk" panic to spread throughout the common masses (trans fats, anyone?)
Let's talk about the Constitution...and how our basic rights as set forth by the Founding Fathers of our country our being stripped from us. Freedom of Speech? Gone. The government has ADMITTING to tapping the phones of most of america (violating our so-called right to privacy as well). Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Teetering on the brink. And does the "upper crust" care? Hell no, because the rich and famous, as well as government officials, all have bodyguards or secret service agents to protect them (in the case of the secret service and FBI they are govenment exempt from gun laws, by the way).
It might not be a 'zombie apocolypse"...but I can foresee a time fast approaching when we will have a "socialist apocalypse" in which the downtrodden will finally no longer be able to stomach the abuse heaped upon them by the elite ruling class and rise up to take by thier rights, thier economy, and the actual idea of "The American Dream" which should have never had anything to do with "the rich get richer, the poor get poorer".
One last tid bit to fuel the flames of free thought: why are all of our elected officials like, old as hell? Every single one of them is out of touch with today's values, our current society, and the ever-changing world. Why? Because it's all based on an Illuminati-esque system of "who's who" that seeks only to perpetuate itself as the ruling class of america. Think to yourself for a while about the origins of the acronym "GOP".
Cobalt Prime wrote:Actually, I can't find fault with any of your points. It's true. You hit it on the head, Sir!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Cobalt Prime wrote:Actually, I can't find fault with any of your points. It's true. You hit it on the head, Sir!
I can, but that's only because I know how the US government works. That, and he openly admitted to trolling.
Cobalt Prime wrote:I know how the government works too. And I'm not trying to start any trouble here, but can you say truthfully that you haven't noticed even a tiny bit of corruption and self interest on the part of our so-called leaders? None at all? Is it all really truth, justice, and the American way and people who think otherwise are just part of the Alex Jones cult?
Cobalt Prime wrote:It's easy to just believe that we can trust our leaders. It's more peaceful. And it sucks not believing it. It's stressful. But I would rather be stressed than live in an idyllic Matrix-like situation while they get to do anything they want, including their repeated attempts to rewrite the constitution to further their own agendas. Case in point, the continuous attack on second amendment rights.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Cobalt Prime wrote:I know how the government works too. And I'm not trying to start any trouble here, but can you say truthfully that you haven't noticed even a tiny bit of corruption and self interest on the part of our so-called leaders? None at all? Is it all really truth, justice, and the American way and people who think otherwise are just part of the Alex Jones cult?
That's because total altruism doesn't exist. If you're given power, and especially if you're not given power, people still tend to think of themselves before anyone else. If someone gave you a billion dollars, no questions asked, would you give it all to charity, or would you spend it on yourself?
Also, that part about only old guys being elected? That's sort of true. It turns out people prefer elected officials to have years of political and legal experience. Tons of people were deriding Barack Obama and Sarah Palin for their relative lack of experience a couple years ago, remember? Lemme put it like this: Would you rather have a kid still in medical school doing brain surgery on you, or would you prefer the accomplished surgeon with a couple decades of experience under his belt?Cobalt Prime wrote:It's easy to just believe that we can trust our leaders. It's more peaceful. And it sucks not believing it. It's stressful. But I would rather be stressed than live in an idyllic Matrix-like situation while they get to do anything they want, including their repeated attempts to rewrite the constitution to further their own agendas. Case in point, the continuous attack on second amendment rights.
People should be allowed to own guns, to be sure, but some people should never, ever be allowed to even touch one. Case in point, twelve people died in Colorado last month because some nutjob had access to more guns that he should have.
Basically, let the smart, responsible people have guns, and keep the crazies away from them.
And the thing about the constitution is the founding fathers knew it wasn't timeless, that it would have to change at some point or another. Like that part about not being allowed to own slaves, or the parts about people being allowed to vote regardless of skin color, religion, or gender, those were added in after the fact.
Shadowman wrote:People should be allowed to own guns, to be sure, but some people should never, ever be allowed to even touch one. Case in point, twelve people died in Colorado last month because some nutjob had access to more guns that he should have.
Basically, let the smart, responsible people have guns, and keep the crazies away from them.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Shadowman wrote:People should be allowed to own guns, to be sure, but some people should never, ever be allowed to even touch one. Case in point, twelve people died in Colorado last month because some nutjob had access to more guns that he should have.
Basically, let the smart, responsible people have guns, and keep the crazies away from them.
While i agree with everything you said, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done to weed out the crazies from the responsible gun owners.
IN the case of the colorada shooting, the kid bought all his guns, passed the back ground check and purchased everything legally. Yes, he bought 6,000 rounds of amo in one sitting, but that happens alot more often than you think with no mass shootings shortly after.
've had my experiance with gun owners, and in that experiance i'd say 60% are not responsible and would do more harm than good for those fighting for second amendment rights. The bad thing is there isn't a whole lot you can do to prevent them for carring.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote:Shadowman wrote:People should be allowed to own guns, to be sure, but some people should never, ever be allowed to even touch one. Case in point, twelve people died in Colorado last month because some nutjob had access to more guns that he should have.
Basically, let the smart, responsible people have guns, and keep the crazies away from them.
While i agree with everything you said, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done to weed out the crazies from the responsible gun owners.
IN the case of the colorada shooting, the kid bought all his guns, passed the back ground check and purchased everything legally. Yes, he bought 6,000 rounds of amo in one sitting, but that happens alot more often than you think with no mass shootings shortly after.
've had my experiance with gun owners, and in that experiance i'd say 60% are not responsible and would do more harm than good for those fighting for second amendment rights. The bad thing is there isn't a whole lot you can do to prevent them for carring.
Gun control is a tricky subject, because you're always going to have the crazies who are just smart enough to slip through the cracks and get a weapon. And you can't just say "No guns for anyone, ever" because that's just asking for more trouble.
DJrasmo wrote:Unfortunately, a 2nd civil war is fast becoming the only solution to the myriad problems of american society.
We have a population where the middle class and below are ruled by the upper class, who make all the rules to benefit themselves so they can get richer why the rest of the american economy lapses into ruin.
Do you think politicians care about what we pay for gas? Hell no, because congressman, house reps and every other high-ranking government official drive governement issued cars, the gas for which is all paid by a government expense credit card which is, in turn, paid off by OUR TAXES.
Do you think they care about what we pay in taxes? Hell no, because tax breaks, loop holes, and write-offs are all designed to be used by the upper class...people who can afford to pay taxes ANYWAY but refuse to do so because they can't live without that one extra "zero" at the end of thier bank accounts.
The government controls our very economy by either subterfuge or brute force.
For example of force, consider this...we can put satellites in space that outlast thier expected life span by almost TRIPLE (i was a satcom tech in the army for over a decade), we can put a man on the moon and a remote-control vehicle on mars...but Ford cant make a car that will operate to full efficiency past warranty? The truth is, Big Brother specifically designs consumer merchandise to be FLAWED, so that we have to continually cycle money by buying parts, services, or entire replacements for stuff that SHOULD last a lifetime. Only the rich seem immune to this...ever seen a story about Brad Pitt's limo or some actor's ferrari breaking down? Thats right...products for the rich are designed so they dont have to keep paying, while we do.
As an example of subterfuge...remember all the hoopla about HDL/LDL cholesterol? When was the last time you saw any of it? Probably not in a while, since it was a government TOOL used to influence how we spent our money (AKA buying what they wanted us to buy), and as soon as it lost effectiveness, they had to find some other "knee-jerk" panic to spread throughout the common masses (trans fats, anyone?)
Let's talk about the Constitution...and how our basic rights as set forth by the Founding Fathers of our country our being stripped from us. Freedom of Speech? Gone. The government has ADMITTING to tapping the phones of most of america (violating our so-called right to privacy as well). Right to Keep and Bear Arms? Teetering on the brink. And does the "upper crust" care? Hell no, because the rich and famous, as well as government officials, all have bodyguards or secret service agents to protect them (in the case of the secret service and FBI they are govenment exempt from gun laws, by the way).
It might not be a 'zombie apocolypse"...but I can foresee a time fast approaching when we will have a "socialist apocalypse" in which the downtrodden will finally no longer be able to stomach the abuse heaped upon them by the elite ruling class and rise up to take by thier rights, thier economy, and the actual idea of "The American Dream" which should have never had anything to do with "the rich get richer, the poor get poorer".
One last tid bit to fuel the flames of free thought: why are all of our elected officials like, old as hell? Every single one of them is out of touch with today's values, our current society, and the ever-changing world. Why? Because it's all based on an Illuminati-esque system of "who's who" that seeks only to perpetuate itself as the ruling class of america. Think to yourself for a while about the origins of the acronym "GOP".
Rodimus Prime wrote:Or, people on both sides could get their heads out of their asses, properly listen to the other side, discuss possible compromises, and come to an agreement. And because of individuality and the freedoms granted by the Constitution, this will never happen. That doesn't mean everyone heeds the Constitution. (i.e. George W.) There are people with beliefs other than strictly liberal or conservative. I, for instance, don't automatically identify with either. I make my choices on matters depending on what said matter is. Sometimes I am conservative, and sometimes I am liberal. Yes, it can be done. Most individuals just have to stop giving in to peer pressure.
More individuals should exercise their birthright to BE individuals, and not blindly follow any single person or be yet another sheep in the herd.
Enjoy your freedoms while you still can!
SentinelA wrote:I completely agree and although it should like I'm a terrorist (which I hate) I think the only solution is to elimite a Congress that apparently does not represent it's people and only care about their own good and are too busy with their own bickering to get anything done.
I find voting pointless because we have a choice between a liberal out-of-touch elitist and a conservative out-of-touch elitist.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Wigglez wrote: I think guns should be for just the military and police. The rest of us should go back to swords and other melee weapons for self-defense. Just my personal opinion.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
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