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[Sabrblade]

Compare the 0:10 mark of that video to the 0:10 mark of this one to see what Stan's face was place over:

did you put that together?

No. It was posted on MusicOnVinyl.com's entry for the vinyl release of the TFTM soundtrack.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Compare the 0:10 mark of that video to the 0:10 mark of this one to see what Stan's face was place over:

did you put that together?

No. It was posted on MusicOnVinyl.com's entry for the vinyl release of the TFTM soundtrack.

kool thanks

[Rodimus Prime]

If Simon Furman had been in charge of the US version of the G1 Marvel comics from the very beginning, would the overall story line have been better?

[Sabrblade]

If Simon Furman had been in charge of the US version of the G1 Marvel comics from the very beginning, would the overall story line have been better?

That's a good question, as it was Bob Budiansky who came up a lot of the world itself, which Furman built upon. Had Budiansky not set the foundation, might Furman have done something entirely different for better or worse?

[Rodimus Prime]

If Simon Furman had been in charge of the US version of the G1 Marvel comics from the very beginning, would the overall story line have been better?

That's a good question, as it was Bob Budiansky who came up a lot of the world itself, which Furman built upon. Had Budiansky not set the foundation, might Furman have done something entirely different for better or worse?

I never read the UK stuff thoroughly, due to the cringe-inducing artwork, but I heard some of the non-US stories were pretty good. (Time Wars, Target 2006, etc.)

[Sabrblade]

If Simon Furman had been in charge of the US version of the G1 Marvel comics from the very beginning, would the overall story line have been better?

That's a good question, as it was Bob Budiansky who came up a lot of the world itself, which Furman built upon. Had Budiansky not set the foundation, might Furman have done something entirely different for better or worse?

I never read the UK stuff thoroughly, due to the cringe-inducing artwork, but I heard some of the non-US stories were pretty good. (Time Wars, Target 2006, etc.)

Yeah, Furman did some pretty good stuff back then, though the earliest UK stuff was first done by Steve Parkhouse ("Man of Iron") whilst Furman's earliest stuff was just okay ("The Enemy Within!", "Raiders of the Last Ark!") and wouldn't get really good until the Dinobots were introduced in the U.S. issues, then later got really really good when Furman was able to use the movie characters that the U.S. issues weren't using.

[fenrir72]

Budiansky and Furman are like Peanut Butter and Jelly for the G1 Marvel Universe. A lot of figs wouldn't be half as popular if it wasn't for Furman (Wreckers for instance and Thunderwing)

So no matter what the naysayers type, they can't hold a candle to these two.

[Sabrblade]

Budiansky and Furman are like Peanut Butter and Jelly for the G1 Marvel Universe. A lot of figs wouldn't be half as popular if it wasn't for Furman (Wreckers for instance and Thunderwing)

So no matter what the naysayers type, they can't hold a candle to these two.

Furman might have made a bunch more characters awesome, but Budiansky did wonders with at least Ratchet and Shockwave; moreso than the cartoon ever did with either.

[fenrir72]

Budiansky and Furman are like Peanut Butter and Jelly for the G1 Marvel Universe. A lot of figs wouldn't be half as popular if it wasn't for Furman (Wreckers for instance and Thunderwing)

So no matter what the naysayers type, they can't hold a candle to these two.

Furman might have made a bunch more characters awesome, but Budiansky did wonders with at least Ratchet and Shockwave; moreso than the cartoon ever did with either.

Yah.The dynamic duo (though separated by time and place).Too bad SimFur kind of neglected Blaster. Budiansky gave the comic incarnation a great character.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I never read the UK stuff thoroughly, due to the cringe-inducing artwork, but I heard some of the non-US stories were pretty good. (Time Wars, Target 2006, etc.)

interesting.
was it the drawing or the coloring that put you off?

for me, I avoided UK stories early on due to the coloring.

[Rodimus Prime]

I never read the UK stuff thoroughly, due to the cringe-inducing artwork, but I heard some of the non-US stories were pretty good. (Time Wars, Target 2006, etc.)

interesting.
was it the drawing or the coloring that put you off?

Both, really, but more the drawing. I think I could have withstood the colors if the drawing was more in Wildman's style. I never liked Senior's stuff. The colors were kind of lifeless and faded as well. I did look at a few UK stories, as well as the few that were included in the US Marvel issues, such as Man of Iron or The Human Factor, but they always put me off, so I never made a serious effort to get through the UK stories. It just seemed too lifeless and unemotional to me.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I never read the UK stuff thoroughly, due to the cringe-inducing artwork, but I heard some of the non-US stories were pretty good. (Time Wars, Target 2006, etc.)

interesting.
was it the drawing or the coloring that put you off?

Both, really, but more the drawing. I think I could have withstood the colors if the drawing was more in Wildman's style. I never liked Senior's stuff. The colors were kind of lifeless and faded as well. I did look at a few UK stories, as well as the few that were included in the US Marvel issues, such as Man of Iron or The Human Factor, but they always put me off, so I never made a serious effort to get through the UK stories. It just seemed too lifeless and unemotional to me.

thats how the coloring made me feel.

the drawings, althou not the best, I could over look because I had been reading comics all my life, and was exposed to many different drawing styles.

[Sabrblade]

"The Human Factor" was a US-original story.

[Rodimus Prime]

"The Human Factor" was a US-original story.

Oh? By the art, I thought it was British. Oh well. Still looked like crap.

[Sabrblade]

"The Human Factor" was a US-original story.

Oh? By the art, I thought it was British. Oh well. Still looked like crap.

"Man of Iron" was the only UK-original story printed in the original US run. "The Human Factor" stands out as a unique issue in which it came out less than satisfactorily. It's the only issue that Simon Furman felt disappointed by. Its the only TF comic to ever be done by artist Dwayne Turner and, needless to say, he wasn't used again for the rest of the series (or any other TF series, for that matter).

[Rodimus Prime]

"The Human Factor" was a US-original story.

Oh? By the art, I thought it was British. Oh well. Still looked like crap.

"Man of Iron" was the only UK-original story printed in the original US run. "The Human Factor" stands out as a unique issue in which it came out less than satisfactorily. It's the only issue that Simon Furman felt disappointed by. Its the only TF comic to ever be done by artist Dwayne Turner and, needless to say, he wasn't used again for the rest of the series (or any other TF series, for that matter).

I can see why. Maybe the guy's style fit other series well, but not G1 Marvel. And I'm glad Titan Books forewent including Man of Iron in their compilation.

[Rodimus Cybertron]

I have G1 questions as well though not as detailed as yours. Mine related to the origin of transformers.

1. How is the existence of Primus (and his battle wth Unicron) made reason in the light of the Quintessons being the creators of the transformers.

2. In the G1 cartoons, we see Alpha Trion when the past is discussed. In one episode, he is seen helping Orion Pax after the first confrontation with the new flying transformers (decepticon). But we also see a younger Alpha Trion during the war vs the Quintessons to gain freedom from them. This raises a few questions, did the Quints also create the Decepticons? How would that be possible if they were beaten by their appearance. And it seems they were beaten since Cybertron seems peaceful when Orion Pax meets Megatron. The war against the Quints and the war for the control of Cybertron between the Decepticons and Autobots are 2 different wars (right?, they have to be). And in light of those 2 looong wars, am I to assume that the time of peace on cybertron was really short in comparison?

[Sabrblade]

That only applies to the continuity of those comics, which aren't the same continuity as the G1 cartoon.

[Rodimus Cybertron]

That only applies to the continuity of those comics, which aren't the same continuity as the G1 cartoon.

The Generation 1 cartoon universe is a universe very similar to this one, if they are not indeed the very same.

The Universe universe is essentially the same as the G1 cartoon.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Vector_Sigma#References

[Sabrblade]

The Universe universe is essentially the same as the G1 cartoon.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Vector_Sigma#References

Similar, yes, but not the same.

For one, the lineage of Matrix bearers differs from that of the cartoon. And Unicron wasn't made by Primacron in it either, instead being the primordial god that he was in Marvel G1.