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Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:45 am

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I don't read **** like rotten tomatoes and other review sites, I look for friends that I know that have seen it. And from the few that have seen it (they work for various theaters in town and have seen it earlier in the week) I am unsure about it. Plz keep in mind all the people that I know that have seen it are massive Transformer fans (Not G1, not modern era, not Bay haters just TRANSFORMER FANS) and all of them gave me disappointing synopses of the movie (I already read the plot). Most know how much I love Dinobots especially Grimlock and have told me that I may not like their screen time. The same people also told me that I may not like the movie in general.. I guess I will find out when we see it this Sunday.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby fenrir72 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:45 am

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My thoughts

Reminds me of Key to Vector Sigma and the earlier DW plotlines.

Humans hating TFs? Again G1 where Megatron turned public opinion against the Autobots.

KissPlayers where again, humans are the ones hunting the TFs with the human leader having an ax to grind.

Good that despite some sectors calling the points I mentioned kiddy stuff.............still get to be translated into the big screen. Not Shakespeare but good enough for a popcorn flick.

Humans btw are a despicable breed...........always have the penchant to kill their "saviors". The regular Joe (Mark Wahlberg types)on the street are alright but the power brokers behind the scenes are always the ones who screws things up.Sometimes, we just don't deserved to be save at all.

A pity that all the human characters of the 1st trilogy are gone..........so Sector 7 is now really kaput? I miss Simons especially And the Witwicky's.....I was half hoping that Mark Walhberg was Spike in adult age and would become Fortmax in the future (what a waste for Shia "looney tune" Lebouf).

Creators? The Quintessons? Two more years to wait then. For whatever criticism Bay ( I still don't dig the mech designs) gets, (maybe he should finish what he started) hope he stays for the next 2 films together with Steve Jablonsky's epic soundtracks.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby FortyDeuce » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:01 am

It's only Friday so I will come back on Sunday after more people have had a chance to see it. I don't like to spoil anything because I don't like to be spoiled. I will say this. It's the fourth movie in and it is clear that the Transformers aren't respected and they're really just props to sell toys and that is it. This movie is the equivalent of fast food. As long as you put fat and salt, or fat and sugar together, people will consume it.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Darkman20xx » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:04 am

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Burn wrote:Why do people waste time with reviews? Why not just go and see the movie and form your own decision instead of relying on the opinions of others to decide what you may or may not like?



Because we are the stupidest race on earth that's not a joke either.


People complain about the most ridiculous things because people believe they will get what they want.


Just be glad there are movies in the first place you ungrateful wastes of oxygen (not you I'm talking bout those who mindlessly hate and never ever stop.)



Your logic is flawed but it's your opinion which is why it's valid. Everyone is entitled to one. Mine is that just because TF's are my favorite brand of toys of all time doesn't mean everything related to them is great. I myself am happy there are TF movies but can not one say it's not the best of the bunch? Forget what your favorite brand of toy is. Can anyone who saw this and saw Captain America the Winter Soldier say that this was better than that? I think that's kind of the problem. That movie set a really big bar for summer blockbusters this year and TF4 didn't hit the mark. Not that it was terrible but not the best of any of the movies thus far by any means.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Bleak5170 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:23 am

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Burn wrote:Why do people waste time with reviews? Why not just go and see the movie and form your own decision instead of relying on the opinions of others to decide what you may or may not like?


Reviews don't always dictate whether I go see a movie or not. If I really want to see something I will. But I also find that as I get older, I tend to agree with the critics more often than not. I want to see an awesome Transformers movie. Hell at this point I would settle for a "good" Transformers movie.

People love to blast the critics, but even if they aren't TF fans, they tend to recognize a quality movie when they see one. And based on reviews so far, (not just official ones but those from TF fans as well), this just doesn't sound like a very enjoyable flick at all. I'm sorry but just because the Dinobots make an appearance, doesn't automatically make a movie for me like it does for so many other people.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby VioMeTriX » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:38 am

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well as an action movie this was great, as a transformers flick it sucked.... transformers that transform by breaking down into tiny blocks and reform as a robot, stupid. transformium as the metal transformers are made of... this whole movie is just one big chase scene. the movie was a good movie, but it is still the same crap as the last 3. and the use of the dinobots was terrible and you can tell they were just an after thought to make more money.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Sub-Prime » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:11 am

You can't please everybody it seems. We finally get a TF film where the bots get more shine and folks ain't happy. Not to mention the story was clever and the humans was likable. I'm sure some of you guys would rather TF be a soap opera film..smdh
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:16 am

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Sub-Prime wrote:You can't please everybody it seems. We finally get a TF film where the bots get more shine and folks ain't happy. Not to mention the story was clever and the humans was likable. I'm sure some of you guys would rather TF be a soap opera film..smdh


My thoughts, exactly. This movie was as close as we're going to get to a movie with just the Cybertrinians and no humans, for a while. And people are still mad. Why, I have no idea.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:52 am

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Cyber Bishop wrote: Most know how much I love Dinobots especially Grimlock and have told me that I may not like their screen time. The same people also told me that I may not like the movie in general...


You may like the general story, but you won't like the "Dinobots." They're not even Dinobots in the traditional sense, just ancient Transformers who just happen to have dinosaur alt modes. They're not even called by name. And they're on screen for about 15 minutes and that's it.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:58 am

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Cyber Bishop wrote: Most know how much I love Dinobots especially Grimlock and have told me that I may not like their screen time. The same people also told me that I may not like the movie in general...


You may like the general story, but you won't like the "Dinobots." They're not even Dinobots in the traditional sense, just ancient Transformers who just happen to have dinosaur alt modes. They're not even called by name. And they're on screen for about 15 minutes and that's it.


I'm expecting them to be more fleshed out in the sequels. I'm hoping they are, anyway.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Marcdachamp » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:19 am

I enjoyed it. I didn't love it like I loved the first one, but it worked way better than the last two. It clicked on a personal level the way that the original did. What I liked:

-The "wacky" humor is pretty much gone. Are there funny parts that either connect or fall flat? Absolutely. But there isn't nearly the same level of "who finds this funny?" stuff. We don't have Shia running around screaming like a girl, or Ken Jeong acting like he's gonna rape him. That stuff is gone.

-The cheesecake is toned back. Wahlberg's daughter is objectified a lot less and doesn't have any of the awkward scenes that the last movie had.

-Lockdown is the best villain this series has ever had. He's intimidating and they used the source material to make him work. His scene with Ratchet was bitter-sweet. As a massive fan of Transformers Animated, I couldn't have been happier with how he came out.

-The humans are just plain better than ever. I liked the Shia/Mikaela romance in the first one, but they had no arc after that, and the whole thing felt like it was treading water. Here, the arc between Cade and his daughter is relevant and progresses the story, which is a lot more focused than ever. Maybe it's the fact that I'm also going to have an unplanned daughter, but their story really worked for me. And the human villains are really strong. The standoff in the first act between Cade's family and the human villains was wonderfully tense.

-The robots look better than ever, and each one of the Autobots has a pretty distinctive personality. This is the best lineup of Autobots we've had in a movie so far.

-Seeing the Dinobots on screen was just amazing. They looked awesome, and they even looked great in robot mode.

The bad:

-The Dinobots get 15 minutes of screentime. If they hadn't told us they were showing up, every person walking out of that theater would have flipped out in amazement. Instead, it felt like Sony's pimping of The Rhino in ASM2. I spent two hours going "okay, when are the Dinobots showing up?" They either needed more screentime or less hype.

-The runtime is the worst detractor from the film. It's just too damn long. There's never anything as glaringly time consuming as the falling building in DotM, but after a really great first hour, we tread water to the finale.

-Galvatron and the new Decepticons needed better pacing, too. A final scene reveal or something would have worked wonders. The film is guilty of really trying to fit in too much.

If they could have shaved off 30 minutes and gotten us more Dinobots, this would have been better than the original, I think.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Cyber Bishop » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:23 am

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Cyber Bishop wrote: Most know how much I love Dinobots especially Grimlock and have told me that I may not like their screen time. The same people also told me that I may not like the movie in general...


You may like the general story, but you won't like the "Dinobots." They're not even Dinobots in the traditional sense, just ancient Transformers who just happen to have dinosaur alt modes. They're not even called by name. And they're on screen for about 15 minutes and that's it.


Yeah I was told 15 to 20 minutes max screen time.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby BeastWarsFTW » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:43 am

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I went and saw the first showing last night. I had read many reviews from various sites and I had gotten pretty bummed out about the movie. But I just couldn't live with myself not going to see some transformers battle it out even if the plot was awful.

Was I surprised though. I very much loved the movie. My biggest complaint of the whole MB series was the stupid corny humor. This movie still has some humor but its good humor and everyone in the theater actually laughed. There human character are much better too. The only one that was kinda useless was the daughters boyfriend. All he does is do some fancy driving a couple times. Stanly T. and Kelsey Grammer did a fine job along with Mark W. Didn't think the blonde girl could act very well.

Notes:

I was pretty said to see that Ratchet and Leadfoot had been killed. But the scene with Ratchet and Lockdown was good and the scene when OP finds out they were melting his(Ratchet) remains down was even better! Freaked out!

I was honestly ok with OP killing humans. Not everyone human is good and loves Autobots so why not be able to defend yourself when they try their best to kill you? I LOVED his old flat nose truck form too. I thought it was kinda strange that Mark W. gets him running again by pulling a missile out of his chest/spark and after that he can barely stand. But later they are driving down the road and scans the Western Star form and then is all good. Pretty much heals himself. Why didn't you do this a little earlier? I'm just being picky.

The new Autobot clan was interesting. Drift as a triple changer was awesome, not so much bumble bee this time was nice too. Made him much more tolerable. Crosshairs was a dick but gave the Autobots a different look. Hound was just too cool. Really just a big group of survivors who don't really like each other to much but stood together out of respect for Prime.

Lockdown was freakin awesome. Car mode, robot mode, personality all were great. Thought the ending with him was good too. OP had some help killing him but it was a pretty good scene.

Galvatron...I have some questions that will never get answered. I like the fact he is back but Prime clearly states he has no soul(spark) when they are fighting on the highway. How does this work? Does he have a big battery or something to power him if he does not use energon anymore? Same for all drones. The whole screwed up transformation is weird but I think it fits the movie because he is human built and isn't gonna be perfect. Hopefully Galvatron has corrected this in the next movie.

Dinobots were kind of a letdown. You would assume Prime finds them on Earth but they are actually on Lockdowns ship as trophys/prisoners. They looked great but had little screen time and were actually just called the "Legends" and not Dinobots. They don't talk nor do you get to see them fight in robot mode really.


In all I really enjoyed the movie and I would advise that you go see it and leave your G1 comparison card/thoughts at home because this is a MB movie and just try and enjoy it for what it is. Best one he has made so far with the first one a close second.

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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby BeastWarsFTW » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:45 am

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Also I hope the next movie we see OP off planet trying to find the "Creator"
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:34 am

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It's interesting how the gap between public opinion and professional critics has widened substantially over the years when it comes to entertainment. I don't know what that means, or why that is, but it IS interesting, and the latest Transformers movie seems to be nothing if not the most poignant example of this phenomenon.

Of course, it also lends more credence to the perception that critics are out of touch with popular culture and tend toward a very elitist view of what makes "good cinema." The academy awards almost always snub comedy and action films for recognition in acting, writing, directing, etc., despite their box office success and audience reputation, preferring to only reward films that are dramatic or artistic. There's nothing wrong with those sorts of films, but there's nothing wrong with films that thrill your senses or make you laugh either.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby reluctantyouth » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:42 am

I went to a 9 pm showing of the movie last night 06.26.14. There was no fan fair, no free movie posters, no souvenir cups, and the special 3D glasses were not given out for IMAX version. I was underwhelmed to see little promotion but the theater ended up being almost full by light dimming.

The movie itself as a whole is good. I think Bay did some things different here and has gotten a little better at cutting scenes from day to dusk to night...not so blatantly obvious that the timeline was fubar in the first three. That being said there is definitely some Bayja Vu here:

Bayja Vu:

1) Galvatron/Megatron alive and wants the seed so he can use it to rebuild army- sounds like the All Spark scenario in the first movie

2)Human characters are asked to get the seed to the top of a high building for pickup- Hmmm like Sam needing to get the All Spark to the roof top for pick up?

3) Prime tells humans to get seed out of the city and keep it from Galvatron- Yup this is like getting the All Spark out of the city and keeping in from Megatron

4) Galvatron escapes annihilation and is last seen looking over the city from a hill top and insinuating that he will be back...total bullshit and we've seen it before in ROTF with Megatron/Starscream minus the mountain/hill Bay.


I really felt like I had seen a lot of this movie before and it did not have that "fresh" feeling Bay hinted at.

I'm disappointed with the treatment of the Dinobots, their introduction, their screen time, there non up close transformation scene, and the fact that only one spoke. I cannot remember which one...think it may have been Slug and he had a British accent? It was just one line and not memorable

I thought Drift in 3D looked awful and anytime they showed his face in full screen size...it looked unfinished and scary

Crosshairs looked really really good in robot mode but he was a complete dick and not Autobot like in anyway.

Hound was amazing and Goodman did a really good job with the type of lines he was given

Lockdown was pretty sweet but like most wished he had been voiced by Lance H. I liked his confrontations and his death at the hands of Prime with help from Tess and Boy Toy was great. I wish there would have been a little more back story as to how Lockdown came to work with the humans...it is not explained well as the first time you see Lockdown is when the humans are hunting Ratchet and he just pops out of a lake/river.

Galvatron and drones really make no sense and non of them have a spark. Galvatron tells Prime he doesn't have a soul...so WTF Bay? Humans may have Transformium but they do not possess the All Spark or powers of the "Creators".

Wait...Prime had a Jetpack from the time that he was first introduced in new mode? WTF Bay? That Jetpack could have easily gotten him and Tessa out of the net before being drug onto Lockdown's ship. We do not see that he has a jetpack until the very end of the film where he just shoots himself out into space with the seed...he is going to track down the Creators solo without a ship...yeah that made a hell of a lot of sense.

I thought the movie really tried too hard to be different in some respects and too little effort was placed in originality as far as story line goes.

I liked the movie and will own it...just do not think it was as good as Dark of the Moon. I'll give it 3/5 Stars


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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Thalack » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:44 am

TF:AOE Was awesome. I loved the whole movie. My only true complaint was I could have gone for the dinobots on screen longer. However, for what time they had on screen, they definitely were a huge highlight and AWESOME to see. Definitely going to be seeing this movie in theatres again.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:03 am

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So no offense to anyone else, but I didn't read a bit of this thread. I want to get my own opinion on this down, while it's fresh, without being swayed by the thoughts of others.

I loved this movie.

This is the most Transformery Transformers live action movie they've done, and it rocks. The bay-humor is kept reasonable and appropriately timed, the product placement is downright hilarious and awesome at the same time, the movie takes jabs at itself (Transformium is done so tongue-in-cheek you can't help but chuckle, it actually builds the "character" of FSI), and did I mention that the robots actually get ample screen time? Yeah, the robots get actual screen time and I feel like I know more about Hound, Drift, and Crosshairs than I ever did about Ironhide, Jazz, and Sideswipe even though one could argue outside of Drift/Jazz that the other two are analogues.

Let's move on to Optimus. He's easily the main character of this movie, far outweighing, I think, even Wahlberg's Yaeger. I'm sure there will be gripes on how he's protrayed, but seriously, he gets found in what's essentially a coma after being shelled by humans that he's been protecting for years, he's of course going to be a little mad. We've also seen this version of Prime not be afraid to pull a trigger over the years, so seeing violence out of him suits the Movie-universe version of Prime. Is he G1 Prime? No, and in this universe he hasn't been remotely close to it since 2009. I love that Ratchet's death means so much that he'll kill a dude. And he does. It makes sense and it's exactly what I'd want to see after they killed off Ironhide in DotM and did absolutely nothing with the plot point.

Then there's Lockdown - what a badass character. And I mean really, a character. While we don't quite know his ultimate motivations yet for wanting Prime and the Knights in his ship, at least we know that objective. He serves some higher power and gets good screentime - heck yeah, even the villain gets enough screentime to be something other than a mindless evil guy and his personality makes the FSI "Decepticons" look as silly as they ought to. He's a great foil to the typical TF Movie villain trope that gives his character an air of seriousness that was nice to see. The small touch of him having the Lamborghini symbol visible in robot mode, even after leaving Earth, is an awesome touch that shows they're starting to "get it" with these movies.

Finally, the Dinobots. You actually do get a glimpse of them about halfway through, then they're reintroduced with about half an hour to go. I think they were well used although I'm still fuzzy on their origins and motivations. Yeah, they could have been better at the front end, but do you care? I didn't. Once they were helping out the Autobots it was just a super fun time. Although Scorn seems really especially dumb. He just kept flipping over, even into that lake.

The ending was hilarious. Optimus is like hey Dinobots, you just go do whatever in the Chinese countryside and I'm gonna fly off into space for Adventures. See you later other Autobots, I guess go back to your poopy desert base or something. Bye guys!

Yeah Optimus, that was super irresponsible. Dinobots roaming the countryside, what could go wrong :lol:

The movie is a fun ride and if you don't like it, well, I don't know why you watched it. It's not high cinema nor is it meant to be. It's just a fun damn action movie and one that actually has Transformers doing things other than being random plot devices. Best of the four, to me, although the plot of the first one as a human story probably holds up as a little better.

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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Fanceytron » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:21 am

I really enjoyed this movie. They made sure to explain why certain things were happening, and not let you assume the bad guys are doing things because they're bad guys, but because they have their reasons for doing so. I was especially happy that they didn't have all the stupid humor that the other movies had. There were comic relief parts, but they were actually pretty funny. Especially with John Goodman as Hound, although, would it have killed them to have him say "Am I the only one around here who gives a f--k about the rules?!" Especially since the f-bomb was dropped in one part. Also, did anyone notice that the milk that Joshua Joyce was drinking on that roof was the same brand that Jerry Wang was drinking in Dark of the Moon?

The part where Lockdown tells him he wasn't born, but was built, confused me because of the hatchlings from RotF. After thinking about it, however, he may not have been saying that all Transformers were built, but that Optimus Prime was. It's revealed that Optimus was considered a knight, in some sort of Cybertronian Order. It's possible that most Cybertronians were born, much like the hatchlings (which I assume are just protoforms), but every Prime has been built, and that's why they are leaders. The Creators (Please let there be Quintessons in the next movie) may have created the Primes with specific instructions to maintain life on Cybertron, but didn't foresee an uprising, causing Cybertronians to leave the planet to find energy to restore order. This caused them to be stranded on whatever planet they landed on, fighting Decepticons for energy, interfering with other species. It makes me wonder if they're going with a Quintesson storyline or a Vok (from Beast Wars) storyline where the Vok created a lot of the universe and now one of their creations is interfering with another.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:41 am

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Fanceytron wrote:I really enjoyed this movie. They made sure to explain why certain things were happening, and not let you assume the bad guys are doing things because they're bad guys, but because they have their reasons for doing so. I was especially happy that they didn't have all the stupid humor that the other movies had. There were comic relief parts, but they were actually pretty funny. Especially with John Goodman as Hound, although, would it have killed them to have him say "Am I the only one around here who gives a f--k about the rules?!" Especially since the f-bomb was dropped in one part. Also, did anyone notice that the milk that Joshua Joyce was drinking on that roof was the same brand that Jerry Wang was drinking in Dark of the Moon?

The part where Lockdown tells him he wasn't born, but was built, confused me because of the hatchlings from RotF. After thinking about it, however, he may not have been saying that all Transformers were built, but that Optimus Prime was. It's revealed that Optimus was considered a knight, in some sort of Cybertronian Order. It's possible that most Cybertronians were born, much like the hatchlings (which I assume are just protoforms), but every Prime has been built, and that's why they are leaders. The Creators (Please let there be Quintessons in the next movie) may have created the Primes with specific instructions to maintain life on Cybertron, but didn't foresee an uprising, causing Cybertronians to leave the planet to find energy to restore order. This caused them to be stranded on whatever planet they landed on, fighting Decepticons for energy, interfering with other species. It makes me wonder if they're going with a Quintesson storyline or a Vok (from Beast Wars) storyline where the Vok created a lot of the universe and now one of their creations is interfering with another.


I noticed that.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Maggotron » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:53 am

Just saw quotes somewhere on the web. Just that smattering makes me wonder about the humans vs. tranformers angle. But I gotta watch before I make my judgement.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:21 pm

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Best line in the movie: "I vowed never to kill a human. But when I find the one responsible for this, he will die."
Me and some other random person in the theater started clapping when Optimus said that.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby Gemini220 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:56 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sub-Prime wrote:You can't please everybody it seems. We finally get a TF film where the bots get more shine and folks ain't happy. Not to mention the story was clever and the humans was likable. I'm sure some of you guys would rather TF be a soap opera film..smdh


My thoughts, exactly. This movie was as close as we're going to get to a movie with just the Cybertrinians and no humans, for a while. And people are still mad. Why, I have no idea.


Exactly!! Some people will never be satisfied no matter what!

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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:26 pm

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ScottyP wrote: The small touch of him having the Lamborghini symbol visible in robot mode, even after leaving Earth, is an awesome touch that shows they're starting to "get it" with these movies.



I really like your review and I feel the same way about the film. I wasnt sure if I should give it 4/5 or 3.5/5. I want to give it a 4 in the comparison to the others and as an encouragement to them going the right way with these films but at the same time, the plot was iffy and things were not clear like Megatron's spark.

Anyway, just wanted to say that I noticed that lamborghini symbol and found it an amazing touch. Really glad you pointed it out.
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Re: Age of Extinction Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:40 pm

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I JUST got something. I had a beef with Optimus only using his jetpack at the end. Why didnt he use it before?

Well, I rememebred that he does get a slight upgrade when he returns to the trophy room. Thats where he gets his sword and his shield and becomes the "silver knight optimus" the toys were promoting. The way I see it, that is where he got his jetpack, from that same trophy room. Hence why he only used it henceforth.
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