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[chivesbot20]

Okay so now ur saying im stupid SABRBLADE. :roll: >:oP

[Sabrblade]

Okay so now ur saying im stupid SABRBLADE. :roll: >:oP

On the contrary. I'm saying that post of yours broke my brain.

[chivesbot20]

Broke your brain? and still no actual definition of world building

[Sabrblade]

Broke your brain? and still no actual definition of world building

I couldn't make heads or tails of what your post was trying to say, what with all the spelling and grammar errors and awkward formatting making my head spin.

[chivesbot20]

I'm not going further with this. Ur ridiculous.My head spins when I hear people like you that are grammar police officers make nasty comments to me. Awkward formatting? Think before u speak. And while your at it, swallow some lipstick to make yourself pretty on the inside

[chivesbot20]

I'm not going further with this. Ur ridiculous.My head spins when I hear people like you that are grammar police officers make nasty comments to me. Awkward formatting? Think before u speak. And while your at it, swallow some lipstick to make yourself pretty on the inside

[Rodimus Prime]

The last 2 pages were a fun read.

I also would like the definition of "world-building" when used in context of not only Bayverse, but specifically AoE and/or characters from AoE.

chivesbot20, I have to agree with Sabrblade, your grammar does need to be improved. Misunderstandings can easily happen with bad grammar.

[Sabrblade]

Okay, I think I can at least make out a plea for a definition of "World-building".

Simply put, world-building is when you explore or flesh out a world or continuity, by doing things like examining its unique history and locations, examining the natural laws it is founded upon, or even by examining current and/or upcoming events that affect the overall world/continuity of the story in ways that make it stand out on its own as unique or special.

A few examples of world-building found in this movie are its introduction of the Knights to the story, introducing the origin story involving the Creators and the Seeds, establishing the present situation of the Autobots being hunted down as having been triggered by the destruction of Chicago in the last movie, and even something as small as the Romeo & Juliet law.

Explaining, even if only slightly, where Hound, Drift, and Crosshairs all came from and when, would be an example of world-building since that would affect the continuity moreso than it would the characters, since the characters themselves are the same with or without said explanation, while the world itself would be more fleshed out with this mystery made clear.

[chivesbot20]

Thank you. I am sorry for my actions on the last two pages but I felt no respect from you on my opinions and ideas. I understand the definition now. But also im not writing a novel... I have to sometimes write quick like right now because I am doing other sorts of things. I hope it is understandable.

[Sabrblade]

Thank you. I am sorry for my actions on the last two pages but I felt no respect from you on my opinions and ideas. I understand the definition now. But also im not writing a novel... I have to sometimes write quick like right now because I am doing other sorts of things. I hope it is understandable.

[chivesbot20]

Are the dinobots going to be in tF5?

[Sabrblade]

Are the dinobots going to be in tF5?

Well, the following is all that we know about the fifth movie:

• Bay's uncertain if he will or won't be directing it.
• It's coming in 2016.
• It's the fifth Transformers movie.
• It'll be followed by a sixth movie that has even less known info than this.

[chivesbot20]

Well I hope that Roland Emmerich and John Liebesmann don't take place for him. I think Spielberg should direct it figuring he ultimately produced the idea. James Cameron would to me make the film bland, focusing on the human cast even more than Bay. A good possibility would be J.J Abrams but he is caught up with Star Wars. But not a bad choice, although I cant really see it happening. Ridley Scott wouldn't be a terrible choice but he would make TF5 dark or more science fiction horror based. Joss Whedon is Marvels guy and is caught up with all of Marvels films, some planned up to the year 2028.If anything, I'd want someone to direct it that has a big interest in the transformers universe9of course) so fans are pleased.

[Rodimus Prime]

Bay's uncertain if he will or won't be directing it.

IIRC, Paramount, or at least a producer of AoE (don't remember who, they have so many) has stated with the announcement of TF5 that they would do "just about anything it takes" to get Bay to direct it.

[Sabrblade]

Bay's uncertain if he will or won't be directing it.

IIRC, Paramount, or at least a producer of AoE (don't remember who, they have so many) has stated with the announcement of TF5 that they would do "just about anything it takes" to get Bay to direct it.

Now that you mention it, I think I do remember hearing Lorenzo di Bonaventura saying something like that.

*shrug*

Guess they'll wanna hold on to Bay for these movies.

[Rodimus Prime]

Bay's uncertain if he will or won't be directing it.

IIRC, Paramount, or at least a producer of AoE (don't remember who, they have so many) has stated with the announcement of TF5 that they would do "just about anything it takes" to get Bay to direct it.

Now that you mention it, I think I do remember hearing Lorenzo di Bonaventura saying something like that.

*shrug*

Guess they'll wanna hold on to Bay for these movies.

He's already done 4. They might as well. I mean, who else will they get? Just about anyone else will change the tone of the last 2 films dramatically, for the better or worse. The few good directors willing to take on a massive production such as this are either busy with other stuff (JJ Abrams, Joss Whedon) or would turn up the human drama (James Cameron, Ridley Scott) and thus totally take the TF element out of it. Honestly, I wouldn't mind Roland Emmerich giving it a shot. He's good at grand-scale movies and epic set pieces, especially involving action. It all would depend on how he edits the CG TF footage ILM comes up with for him. Speaking of ILM, what about George Lucas? Yeah, he kinda tore up Star Wars with the newer episodes, but I think he could do CG stuff really well. It would probably be a wash with him. Good TF stuff, but also crappy human stuff. I hate to say it (because I don't really care for him) but Spielberg seems like a logical choice, though I think even he would turn the human drama back on more than it should be.

[Darkman20xx]

I would rather have any other director give the new movies a shot then to have someone forced by greed into something they are just going to plow thru to get to their next project. Directing is an art that requires inspiration that money alone cannot give. No matter what....if you don't want to really do something it will eventually show in the resulting project. When the director says themselves it's time to go then it's time to go.

TF 1 and ROTF Bay > DOTM and AOE Bay

[Rodimus Prime]

TF 1 and ROTF Bay > DOTM and AOE Bay

I'm exactly the opposite. After some time has passed and I got the hype of AoE out of my system, IMO AoE and DoTM are equals, followed by the 2007 film and then RoTF as a distant last. As for directing, I don't think Bay is doing it just for the money, because he doesn't need money. IIRC, Paramount told him he could make his little side projects like Pain and Gain in between TF films if he keeps making the TF films.

[Burn]

TF 1 and ROTF Bay > DOTM and AOE Bay

I like how you blame Bay when he's the one consistant factor between all four movies, while the writers have changed with each group.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Perfectly stated SLYTF1.We didn't even now that the Wreckers where on Earth since 2009 (ROTF) until the end of DOTM.

At least DOTM told us that those guys came on the Xantium. Here, though, nothing is given for the three newcomers.

If we're to believe that they also came on the Xantium, then the film should have told us that rather than leaving it to us to fill in the blanks ourselves, because we shouldn't have to.

If we have to come up with stuff to make something work, then does that not imply that that something doesn't work on its own, as it is, without us having to make it work in the first place?

QFT.

I don't like filling in the blanks for myself when it comes to movies. If something doesn't make sense to the viewer right away, then it's really the scriptwriter's fault for not sufficiently explaining everything.

If we TF fans are complaining about it (some of us, at least), imagine the general audience who know next to nothing about TF's. Especially those who missed out on the first 3 movies for whatever reason and only started with AOE. How are they going to even begin to understand what's been happening?

I've already said my piece about how vague the knights concept was in previous posts, so I won't repeat it here.

Don't get me wrong; I like the ideas and characters that Kruger introduced into AOE, but he really needs to spend more time following up on those ideas and characters.

[SKYWARPED_128]

Bay's uncertain if he will or won't be directing it.

IIRC, Paramount, or at least a producer of AoE (don't remember who, they have so many) has stated with the announcement of TF5 that they would do "just about anything it takes" to get Bay to direct it.

Now that you mention it, I think I do remember hearing Lorenzo di Bonaventura saying something like that.

*shrug*

Guess they'll wanna hold on to Bay for these movies.

He's already done 4. They might as well. I mean, who else will they get? Just about anyone else will change the tone of the last 2 films dramatically, for the better or worse. The few good directors willing to take on a massive production such as this are either busy with other stuff (JJ Abrams, Joss Whedon) or would turn up the human drama (James Cameron, Ridley Scott) and thus totally take the TF element out of it. Honestly, I wouldn't mind Roland Emmerich giving it a shot. He's good at grand-scale movies and epic set pieces, especially involving action. It all would depend on how he edits the CG TF footage ILM comes up with for him. Speaking of ILM, what about George Lucas? Yeah, he kinda tore up Star Wars with the newer episodes, but I think he could do CG stuff really well. It would probably be a wash with him. Good TF stuff, but also crappy human stuff. I hate to say it (because I don't really care for him) but Spielberg seems like a logical choice, though I think even he would turn the human drama back on more than it should be.

I dread the idea of Spielberg at the helm. He came up with the idea of the "boy and his first car" thing--that's how we got Shia and Bee. To be fair, though, it was Bay's choice to cast Shia, and O&K's idea to make Bee a mute as a stop-gap solution so he won't spill out too much of the plot early on.

Still, had Spielberg used more wisdom, he would have let Bay do his thing, maybe we would have gotten Epps and Lennox as the stars of the show--macho characters that Bay can use to their full potential. I can't speak for anyone else, but Shia and all the other slapstick comedian actors in the first trilogy nearly ruined the TF movies for me.

Personally, after watching AOE, I think Bay will do fine as director for now--as long as he doesn't bring back the slapstick humor and army worship.

But if I had to choose another, I guess Joss Wheddon or Jon Favreau would be good choices. I loved the Iron Man movies, especially IM1 and 2. 3, not so much.

[chivesbot20]

Roland Emmerichs Godzilla was a sin to the Godzilla universe. And he's all about disaster movies. I think its been stated enough….. but if u like it or not my best bet is that Bay is staying. My opinion is i don't mind. Really both options really roll the dice. If bay stays he continues his series without changing anything, the series keeps going. For better or for worse. If another director comes they either will change the whole story line, or keep going, for better or for worse.

[Darkman20xx]

TF 1 and ROTF Bay > DOTM and AOE Bay

I like how you blame Bay when he's the one consistant factor between all four movies, while the writers have changed with each group.

Now I guess you're going to tell me with all the money they threw at him they didn't give him the ability to have creative input in the scripts?

Who's idea was it to have so many butt shots again? Who finds their female leads by searching the Victoria Secret Catalogs again?

By the way, I'm not a Bay hater. I'm actually a Bay supporter as he has made 2 if not 3 of my favorite movies of all time as I stated in previous posts. That's why I'm so critical of him when it came to AOE. I've seen and know that better is possible.

[Burn]

Now I guess you're going to tell me with all the money they threw at him they didn't give him the ability to have creative input in the scripts?

Who's idea was it to have so many butt shots again? Who finds their female leads by searching the Victoria Secret Catalogs again?

Probably Don Murphy for all we know.

At the end of the day neither of us can prove or disprove what you've asked.

What is fact however is that according to you there's a noticeable difference between the first two movies, and the latter two movies yet you put it solely on Bay.

How can it solely be Bay when he was the common denominator across all four movies while the writers changed between 2 & 3. THAT is the point I was trying to make.

So often do we see Bay bashing on these forums when the blame should be shared with the writers as well.

[Darkman20xx]

Now I guess you're going to tell me with all the money they threw at him they didn't give him the ability to have creative input in the scripts?

Who's idea was it to have so many butt shots again? Who finds their female leads by searching the Victoria Secret Catalogs again?

Probably Don Murphy for all we know.

At the end of the day neither of us can prove or disprove what you've asked.

What is fact however is that according to you there's a noticeable difference between the first two movies, and the latter two movies yet you put it solely on Bay.

How can it solely be Bay when he was the common denominator across all four movies while the writers changed between 2 & 3. THAT is the point I was trying to make.

So often do we see Bay bashing on these forums when the blame should be shared with the writers as well.

Of course everything is mostly speculation. It was said before that Bay starting getting more involved in the writing once they changed. Also Bay is at the point in his career where if he doesn't like something in one of his movies he can change it. Including bad writing. I never said anything was solely Bay. I blame all of production for the last installment. Even though Bay was the common denominator the variable you don't mention is that Bay himself started saying that he was feeling as though he no longer wanted to continue with these movies. Maybe that also had something to do with my opinion on their decline.

As I said before, I actually like Bay as a director when he cares about the material. I wonder if Bay actually didn't direct AOE but it came out the same exact way, would people be so quick to defend a new director as they are him.