Darkman20xx wrote:A statement like this is exactly why the argument continues to go on. If someone doesn't like these movies they are "Bay Haters". Every movie is going to have people who like or dislike it. Why should anyone's opinion be labeled as "Bay Hating".
Because unfortunately, there is a majority of people who dislike the movie because of Michael Bay's directing.
I know there are some people out there who dislike the movies simply because they feel they're bad movies, but unfortunately those people are drowned out by those who dislike the movies and proceed to blame Michael Bay for it rather than giving valid reasons.
My problem with Bay is he has a habit of changing things that don't need to be changed in a franchise's history. Of course all movie adaptations have differences but he changes major things.
But Beast Wars changed things vastly from G1. Beast Machines took a step further. Armada/Energon/Cybertron was far from a direct retelling of G1. The entire franchise, aside from being about change, is fraught with change from series to series. Why then, is that a bad thing for the movies?
I believe that stems from Bay never being a true fan in the first place.
What exactly is a "true" fan?
I remember when TF1 first came out and we would see scenes filming with the new cars and we would guess what car was what character? Like a red sports car would have to be Sideswipe or Rodimus. The Silver Corvette would have to be Bluestreak "or Silverstreak". That all stopped when we saw that Bay had no type of reasoning of who he made who?
Again, you're blaming Bay. But can you prove for certain that these decisions were solely his?
Perhaps they were the writers?
Or Don Murphy the Executive Producer?
Or even someone in Hasbro?
Could Hound not have been a military Jeep? Hound in AOE has Bulkhead's body and Kup's Personality. Let's not begin to talk about how the Ruthless Megatron from G1 and Comics has been redueced to a lower level villain who since the first movie has taken a back seat to The Fallen, Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and now Lockdown. Megatron is nothing more than a Lackey when he has always been portrayed as one of the most dangerous beings in the entire universe.
This isn't G1
Generation 1 only exists in comics, and even then it's barely the G1 some of us grew up with.
Now the same thing is happening with the Turtles where they're huge when in no fiction I've seen have the Turtles be taller than April. It was part of what made them so Badass that they were always so undersized against their opponents.
Oh don't blame Bay for the change in Turtles. He's just the exectuive producer. He's not the writer, and he's not the Director, his input would be VERY limited.
Bay does great with original material. He has too much of a God complex when it comes to taking something already established to the Silver Screen. I shutter to think what would have happened if he got hold of the Marvel movies.
Again, you continue to blame Bay. Bay didn't write the scripts, he just took them and brought them off the paper onto the big screen. You can dislike the movies, just stop blaming Bay solely for them because there were others involved in the creative process as well.
SEXFIGHTER wrote:I hate these films because they're garbage.
Then answer me this.
Why are you in these forums? What are you contributing here? All you do is go on about how much you hate the movies. What does it achieve?
The majority out there agree...but sadly their kids are arguing to watch it..and the odd adult is endorsing bad film making. I'd place you in the latter group.
Feel free to back this up with statistics and facts.