Ultra Markus wrote:uh no, the g1 stuff was already there on earth before the maximals and predicons arrived from the future
Right, via time travel. That's how there was G1 stuff able to be featured in the cartoon. The show's setting allowed for it thanks to our heroes and villains time-traveling to a point that enabled G1 stuff to be included.
Ultra Markus wrote:how is it that you think that just because they traveled through time that made the G1 stuff appear?
Because if the characters hadn't time traveled, the show would have been stuck in the 300-years-later post-G1 setting that the characters came from.
Come to think of it, if it weren't for the time-traveling, there wouldn't have even been a Beast War to be fought.
Ultra Markus wrote:it was already there!
Not at the production stages of the first episode, it wasn't. According to several interviews with Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio, they were gonna make Beast Wars be its own thing unrelated to previous Transformers media. That two-parter pilot episode was devoid of any G1 elements, with its mentioning of something called the "Great War" being a nebulous concept at the time. It was only later after they started writing some G1 stuff into the show that the "Great War" was decided to refer to the Autobot/Decepticon civil war of old.
It wouldn't be until episode 3 when we got our first glimpse at something firmly G1-related, that which being a shot of Starscream in jet mode flying over Cybertron in Cheetor's dream.
And once the production team had decided to make the unknown planet on which the show was set into being prehistoric Earth, the time travel that occurred back at the beginning of the show enabled the writers to introduce the Ark and its occupants in a manner that coincided with all that the show had done up to that point.
Ultra Markus wrote:and their evolution needed no time travel
Never argued that the evolution was made possible via the time travel (though Optimus Primal in Beast Machines did believe something like that). Just that the inclusion of the G1 elements in the Beast Wars cartoon was aided by the time travel.
Ultra Markus wrote:the only reason time travel was a factor is because megatron had a disk that told him when and were to go and the maximals followed and eventually discovering the crashed ark that was already there!
This plan wasn't laid out from the get go of the show's creation, as both Forward and DiTillio admitted to more making things up as they went along and eventually retconned the Ark into being the secret behind the disk, as it was originally just going to give instructions to large sum of energon at first. The Ark was later written into the show in a way that tied into the time travel from the first episode.
Ultra Markus wrote:you talk about their flesh like its strickly organic when its not really its metallic in nature(techo organic) that's their biology
We're shown X-Rays of Nightscream in Beast Machines that show organs and other internal components found in carbon-based lifeforms, rather than machines, inside his technorganic body. He was no longer a mere mechanoid, but something of a completely different nature.
Though, looking over this conversation, I gotta wonder if we might not quite be on the same page about what we're discussing.