Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Black Hat » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:39 am

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Quick jet nerd aside- Slingshot's actual alt mode (a Harrier) was much slower than the aircraft the rest of the team transformed into. The Concorde, Eagle, Falcon and Phantom could all go supersonic, which the Harrier can't. So technically, one of Superion's limbs will always be late to the party, regardless of whether it's Slingshot or Alpha Bravo.
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:46 am

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Black Hat wrote:Quick jet nerd aside- Slingshot's actual alt mode (a Harrier) was much slower than the aircraft the rest of the team transformed into. The Concorde, Eagle, Falcon and Phantom could all go supersonic, which the Harrier can't. So technically, one of Superion's limbs will always be late to the party, regardless of whether it's Slingshot or Alpha Bravo.


Or Fireflight for that matter, since he now transforms into a Harrier as well ;)
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Burn » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:02 pm

Black Hat wrote:Quick jet nerd aside- Slingshot's actual alt mode (a Harrier) was much slower than the aircraft the rest of the team transformed into. The Concorde, Eagle, Falcon and Phantom could all go supersonic, which the Harrier can't. So technically, one of Superion's limbs will always be late to the party, regardless of whether it's Slingshot or Alpha Bravo.

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby King Kuuga » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:34 pm

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I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Burn » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:39 pm

King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

I do it because I'm the Anti-Va'al.
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:00 am

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Burn wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

I do it because I'm the Anti-Va'al.


At least you're honest :-)
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:16 am

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Burn wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

I do it because I'm the Anti-Va'al.

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:44 am

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King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

Yes. AB was a made up character, forced on IDW by Hasbro to sell a repaint, that replaced anot existing character, that had actually had development in the past.
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:50 am

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:25 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

Yes. AB was a made up character, forced on IDW by Hasbro to sell a repaint, that replaced anot existing character, that had actually had development in the past.

Aren't they all made up characters though? ;-) also which character is he a repaint of? Blades or Vortex?


Plus didn't slingshot die from injuries inflicted by prowlastaor?
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Burn » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:42 pm

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Burn wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

I do it because I'm the Anti-Va'al.


At least you're honest :-)


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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:58 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

Yes. AB was a made up character, forced on IDW by Hasbro to sell a repaint, that replaced anot existing character, that had actually had development in the past.

Aren't they all made up characters though? ;-) also which character is he a repaint of? Blades or Vortex?


Vortex, even though Alpha Bravo came first. That's our version of the Chicken and the Egg ;)

And the reason for his existence (and Offroad's) is simply to prevent mold reuse within the same wave as Slingshot shares his design with Fireflight now (And Wildrider with Dead End). Just saying...

Plus didn't slingshot die from injuries inflicted by prowlastaor?


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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:37 pm

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Burn wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Burn wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

I do it because I'm the Anti-Va'al.


At least you're honest :-)


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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:44 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
King Kuuga wrote:I have never understood why the real-world limitations of their alt modes matter when discussing fictional alien robot toys that can fly as fast or slow as the writer/imagination wants them to. That's a stupid reason to dislike AB. There's something deeper at work here.

Yes. AB was a made up character, forced on IDW by Hasbro to sell a repaint, that replaced anot existing character, that had actually had development in the past.

Aren't they all made up characters though? ;-) also which character is he a repaint of? Blades or Vortex?


Plus didn't slingshot die from injuries inflicted by prowlastaor?

That was retconned. If you look at the panel in question, Slingshot winds up much better off than Silverbolt and Fireflight.
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This was a little bit before Dark Cybertron, much less Combiner Wars. Honestly I think the original intent was just to straight up kill Superion, before Hasbro was like "Okay our next toyline is going to be combiners and we want you to help."


And yes, they are all made-up characters to sell toys. That's hardly unique to AB. The only difference is the other Aerialbots were made up 30 years prior to AB, but since new characters are introduced all the damn time, I don't have any issue with it.
maybe it's because I'm a 90s kid with no attachment to the individual aerialbots or even Superion besides "Cool, combiner!"
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:36 pm

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King Kuuga wrote:That was retconned. If you look at the panel in question, Slingshot winds up much better off than Silverbolt and Fireflight.
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This was a little bit before Dark Cybertron, much less Combiner Wars. Honestly I think the original intent was just to straight up kill Superion, before Hasbro was like "Okay our next toyline is going to be combiners and we want you to help."


And yes, they are all made-up characters to sell toys. That's hardly unique to AB. The only difference is the other Aerialbots were made up 30 years prior to AB, but since new characters are introduced all the damn time, I don't have any issue with it.
maybe it's because I'm a 90s kid with no attachment to the individual aerialbots or even Superion besides "Cool, combiner!"

I prefer when new characters are created as it makes the universe larger, aside from Victorion, I think we're overdue completely new combiner teams (though to make me a hypocrit, I'm not against new versions of the seacons...)
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Z3ROhour » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:22 am

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Black Hat wrote:Quick jet nerd aside- Slingshot's actual alt mode (a Harrier) was much slower than the aircraft the rest of the team transformed into. The Concorde, Eagle, Falcon and Phantom could all go supersonic, which the Harrier can't. So technically, one of Superion's limbs will always be late to the party, regardless of whether it's Slingshot or Alpha Bravo.


Or Fireflight for that matter, since he now transforms into a Harrier as well ;)

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Black Hat » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:32 am

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Black Hat wrote:Quick jet nerd aside- Slingshot's actual alt mode (a Harrier) was much slower than the aircraft the rest of the team transformed into. The Concorde, Eagle, Falcon and Phantom could all go supersonic, which the Harrier can't. So technically, one of Superion's limbs will always be late to the party, regardless of whether it's Slingshot or Alpha Bravo.

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Well FWIW a Harrier is still a lot faster than any helicopter; it's just that it's still slower than the other four members of the team, at least with G1 altmodes (though out of the CW versions, it's still the slowest actual jet). The CW Aerialbots seem to be made of a Harrier (or two), a Hornet, a Tomcat and what looks less like a Concorde and more, ironically enough, like the Tupolev Tu-144 "Concordski", which had canards like the CW Silverbolt. I say ironically because the Concordski was a complete mess of a plane with glaring flaws (possibly through sabotage) which had a nasty habit of crashing. So G1 gives you four fast planes and one slightly slower one, and CW gives you two fast planes, a slower plane, a helicopter and a really, really craptacular plane.

If any member of the Aerialbots needs a jet mode change, though, I'd argue it's Silverbolt himself, for being the only civilian jet on a team of military aircraft (not to mention that the Concorde is tough to make a robot out of, let alone a combiner torso, due to being so bloody flat). I would argue the TSR-2 would make a good altmode for him, though my Britishness does bias me in that regard.

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Burn » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:35 pm

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:06 pm

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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:31 pm

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ScottyP wrote:Given all these posts about jets, the package I sent to Italy needs to hurry up and arrive so I can watch the meltdown and/or jubilation that occurs in this thread after.

Given the location and the content of this thread...I'm guessing Va'al will be involved at some level
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Va'al » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:36 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Given all these posts about jets, the package I sent to Italy needs to hurry up and arrive so I can watch the meltdown and/or jubilation that occurs in this thread after.

Given the location and the content of this thread...I'm guessing Va'al will be involved at some level


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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Burn » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:29 am

You know, if people are going to send Admins Transformers that symbolises them in a way, I am quite ugly, some would say, Grotesque in appearance.

Just saying ... :WHISTLE:
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Va'al » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:46 am

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Burn wrote:You know, if people are going to send Admins Transformers that symbolises them in a way, I am quite ugly, some would say, Grotesque in appearance.

Just saying ... :WHISTLE:


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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Burn » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:10 am

Alright calm down precious, I told ya it's no big deal to me. I ain't paying twice-triple the amount of a normal release anyway.
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Re: Alpha Bravo: Friend or foe ?

Postby Va'al » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:36 am

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Burn wrote:Alright calm down precious, I told ya it's no big deal to me. I ain't paying twice-triple the amount of a normal release anyway.


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