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Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:01 am

The only one I can think of is generations Brainstorm. Is there anyone else? Propably but i am drawing a blank at the moment, hence why I am asking.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby Vic Zanzibar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:09 am

T30 Centuritron?
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby Latebrus-K » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:12 am

Do Takara versions count? If so, both of the above have been redecoed.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby steals_your_goats » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:34 am

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Trypticon and Predaking ;) excluding Titans and Takara versions then at the moment punch/Counterpunch, Roadtrap, Battleslash, potp Grimlock. If we're counting wfc figures too then currently flak, stakeout, smashdown, Optimus, Springer and Jetfire. (I'm only listing ones that have been released and excluding reflector and the weaponizers due to the rumors)
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:12 am

steals_your_goats wrote:Trypticon and Predaking ;) excluding Titans and Takara versions then at the moment punch/Counterpunch, Roadtrap, Battleslash, potp Grimlock. If we're counting wfc figures too then currently flak, stakeout, smashdown, Optimus, Springer and Jetfire. (I'm only listing ones that have been released and excluding reflector and the weaponizers due to the rumors)

Haha, yes the titans of course.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby Vic Zanzibar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:16 am

Oddly, TR Scourge and Roddy never got repainted either. Given how TR gave us esoteric repaints like Quake and Krok, it’s surprising that they didn’t find SOMETHING to repaint those guys into.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby steals_your_goats » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:19 am

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Vic Zanzibar wrote:Oddly, TR Scourge and Roddy never got repainted either. Given how TR gave us esoteric repaints like Quake and Krok, it’s surprising that they didn’t find SOMETHING to repaint those guys into.

While scourge wasn't repainted at all he was remolded to make highbrow and Windblade. Hot rod was retooled for the Takara release and was repainted into Ken in the street fighter crossover.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby Vic Zanzibar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:21 am

steals_your_goats wrote:
Vic Zanzibar wrote:Oddly, TR Scourge and Roddy never got repainted either. Given how TR gave us esoteric repaints like Quake and Krok, it’s surprising that they didn’t find SOMETHING to repaint those guys into.

While scourge wasn't repainted at all he was remolded to make highbrow and Windblade. Hot rod was retooled for the Takara release and was repainted into Ken in the street fighter crossover.

Ah yes. I forgot about Highbrow because he sucks.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby steals_your_goats » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:22 am

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Vic Zanzibar wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Vic Zanzibar wrote:Oddly, TR Scourge and Roddy never got repainted either. Given how TR gave us esoteric repaints like Quake and Krok, it’s surprising that they didn’t find SOMETHING to repaint those guys into.

While scourge wasn't repainted at all he was remolded to make highbrow and Windblade. Hot rod was retooled for the Takara release and was repainted into Ken in the street fighter crossover.

Ah yes. I forgot about Highbrow because he sucks.

Hey now he's not THAT bad. He's just unremarkable lol
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:49 am

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I just so happen to have a list of toolings throughout the lines, in order to keep track of reshells, retools and redecos, including headswaps.

What, don't look at me like that :oops:

We're talking Generations overall right? In that case, not counting Japanese counterparts:

2010
Lugnut

Fall of Cybertron
Kickback

T30
Tankor
Brainstorm

Combiner Wars
Bombshell

Titans Return
Gnaw
Wheelie
Kickback

Power of the Primes
Roadtrap
Battleslash
Grimlock

I may have missed some, such lists get very convoluted...
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:06 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I just so happen to have a list of toolings throughout the lines, in order to keep track of reshells, retools and redecos, including headswaps.

What, don't look at me like that :oops:

We're talking Generations overall right? In that case, not counting Japanese counterparts:

2010
Lugnut

Fall of Cybertron
Kickback

T30
Tankor
Brainstorm

Combiner Wars
Bombshell

Titans Return
Gnaw
Wheelie
Kickback

Power of the Primes
Roadtrap
Battleslash
Grimlock

I may have missed some, such lists get very convoluted...


Yeah, you missed some titans and Punch/Counterpunch but aside from that I think its good. Forgot about Lugnut. Care to share unique molds from other lines?

And when it comes to takara versions, I have a tough time calling them repaints since that means Hasbro is the primary version. But at the same time, there are many times when Takara will only release a mold as a different character than the one Hasbro used it for (like the nemesis primes). That feels like a repaint but its no different than just considering it Takara's release.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:21 pm

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william-james88 wrote:Care to share unique molds from other lines?


Give me some time on that, I started with those during CW because well... I will say that for G1 and BW it's more worthwhile to list the molds that did get redecoed :lol:

And when it comes to takara versions, I have a tough time calling them repaints since that means Hasbro is the primary version. But at the same time, there are many times when Takara will only release a mold as a different character than the one Hasbro used it for (like the nemesis primes). That feels like a repaint but its no different than just considering it Takara's release.


Hasbro <-> TakaraTomy counterparts are redecos by definition, so I don't usually count them either. I would make mention if the changes are major like with 2010 Lugnut vs. United Lugnut, but other than that they don't increase the tally. It's all personal preference, really.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:29 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Give me some time on that, I started with those during CW because well... I will say that for G1 and BW it's more worthwhile to list the molds that did get redecoed :lol:


Really, I would think the unique molds in beast Wars are not that many since they were used for the RID and Universe lines.

As for G1, the only unique molds would be season 3 and on since the first 2 seasons are not even unique to the Transformers line (for the most part).
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:37 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Give me some time on that, I started with those during CW because well... I will say that for G1 and BW it's more worthwhile to list the molds that did get redecoed :lol:


Really, I would think the unique molds in beast Wars are not that many since they were used for the RID and Universe lines.


A good chunk, but by no means a majority. It's mostly the Transmetals that were reused, and Beast Machines saw some use there too. I'll make a tally of that as well and to see if I'm wrong on that.

As for G1, the only unique molds would be season 3 and on since the first 2 seasons are not even unique to the Transformers line (for the most part).


In fact, it was pretty much devoid of redecos between the Headmaster and Micromaster ages. :shock:
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:54 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
As for G1, the only unique molds would be season 3 and on since the first 2 seasons are not even unique to the Transformers line (for the most part).


In fact, it was pretty much devoid of redecos between the Headmaster and Micromaster ages. :shock:


All I know is Sky Garry isn't a unique mold :lol:
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:28 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
As for G1, the only unique molds would be season 3 and on since the first 2 seasons are not even unique to the Transformers line (for the most part).


In fact, it was pretty much devoid of redecos between the Headmaster and Micromaster ages. :shock:


All I know is Sky Garry isn't a unique mold :lol:


Nor are Deszaras/Deathsaurus, Dai Atlas, Sonic Bomber and Grandus ;)

Anywho, here's what I have so far. I will denote counterparts if significantly redecoed, so one can make a choice on whether or not to count them:

Beast Wars
Razorbeat (Randy)
Iguanus (Crazybolt)
Insecticon
Snapper
Drill Bit (Drillnuts)
Jetstorm (Tonbot)
Bonecrusher (Big Horn)
Manterror (Mantis)
Retrax (Powerhug)
B'Boom
Transquito (Bigmos)
Magnaboss (Magnaboss)
Tripredacus (Tripledacus)
Scarem
Sonar (proposed redeco Screechwing was canceled for BM)
Optimus Minor
Scourge
Air Hammer
Bantor
Terragator
Noctorro
Sky Shadow (Drancron)
Injector (Rartorarta)
Torca (Elphaorpha)

Next up, Beast Machines.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:28 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Optimus Minor


Good, lets keep him as a unique mold that we can all forget :twisted:

Regarding Sonar, I was puzzled for a bit but then I realized I was confusing him for that other transmetal 2 basic bot that looks like a flying squirrel. Man, I wish I could find that 3 pack for a good price.

Oh man, and now I just realized there are all those beast wars neo toys which are unique molds for the most part.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:43 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Optimus Minor


Good, lets keep him as a unique mold that we can all forget :twisted:

Regarding Sonar, I was puzzled for a bit but then I realized I was confusing him for that other transmetal 2 basic bot that looks like a flying squirrel. Man, I wish I could find that 3 pack for a good price.

Oh man, and now I just realized there are all those beast wars neo toys which are unique molds for the most part.


That's why I'm skipping that :lol:

Beast Machines
Buzzsaw
Longhorn
Quickstrike
Geckobot
Night Viper
Silverbolt
Hammerstrike
Motorcycle Drone
Optimus Primal (Deluxe)
Thrust
Beast Changer
Cheetor (Mega)
Megatron (Mega)
Rattrap
Blast Punch Optimus Primal
Nightscream
Supreme Cheetor

Mutants
Soundwave (Universe redeco canceled)
Poison Bite
Razor Claw
Icebird

Car Robots/Robots in Disguise
This is already a line with mostly redecos, but it has a few new molds, plus some unreleased entries on the American side.

Railspike
Rapid Run
Midnight Express
Bruticus

Unicron Trilogy
This entry is comparatively empty; almost every mold got a redeco down the line or for a different line.

High Wire (Energon Deluxe)
Swoop
Wing Saber (Energon)
Scattorshot
Wreckloose
Dirt Boss (Cybertron)
Brimstone (used for non-toy SG Swoop)
Unicron (Cybertron)
Metroplex
Menasor (used for non-toy Omega Doom)
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby Optimum Supreme » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:01 pm

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Vic Zanzibar wrote:Oddly, TR Scourge and Roddy never got repainted either. Given how TR gave us esoteric repaints like Quake and Krok, it’s surprising that they didn’t find SOMETHING to repaint those guys into.

While scourge wasn't repainted at all he was remolded to make highbrow and Windblade. Hot rod was retooled for the Takara release and was repainted into Ken in the street fighter crossover.


Can't speak for Windbag, but Highbrow is more of the "uses a few of the same parts & engineering" situation than a simple remold of Scourge. Granted some of those shared parts allowed me to swap the upper legs and get a more g1 toy accurate Scourge, so I'm not complaining.
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Re: Are there any generations Toys which never Got Repainted/Retooled

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:38 pm

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Optimum Supreme wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
Vic Zanzibar wrote:Oddly, TR Scourge and Roddy never got repainted either. Given how TR gave us esoteric repaints like Quake and Krok, it’s surprising that they didn’t find SOMETHING to repaint those guys into.

While scourge wasn't repainted at all he was remolded to make highbrow and Windblade. Hot rod was retooled for the Takara release and was repainted into Ken in the street fighter crossover.


Can't speak for Windbag, but Highbrow is more of the "uses a few of the same parts & engineering" situation than a simple remold of Scourge. Granted some of those shared parts allowed me to swap the upper legs and get a more g1 toy accurate Scourge, so I'm not complaining.


TR Highbrow is iffy, but he's one of the few that didn't get redecoed for any market... BotCon 2017 would have used him for Skyfall and possibly Turbo Master.
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