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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:58 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:Root of the issue is, was MP BB "tagged" right on the box? If that is the case, claborn is as innocent as a baby. The mistake is with the store. If the tag was corrected, well, claborn was just lucky.


I don't see how that is the "root of the issue" at all.

He wasn't "lucky" in any way other than in getting the manager to go along with his chicanery. He knew before he went to the counter the price was wrong and he campaigned to get the toy for the price that was there (6.99). He even admitted to running this kind of game "all the time". Then he came on here to brag out it. Then several people cheered him on for it.8-|

Bending the manager over the counter for a technicality is hardly "lucky", and he is hardly "innocent".


Woo hombre. Chill before we get into superflous bouts of piety. It isn't just the shelf where a product is laid in that determines a product price. Especially in TRU. the product is tagged with a retail price bar coded decal. If it's in the store database (see the receipt image, the encoded data on his receipt)

"TRNSFM MSTR Bumble & Spike"

630509466221

then he got a 58.00 INSTANT SAVINGS (take a good look at the picture)

For those in the know, the cash register staff just punches the buttons as those data are already encoded after they scan the item with a barcode reader.

The mistake was in the encoding/sticking the tag onto the product. Iirc, same thing happened a few years back at Amazon where SoC Daltanious was sold for a song.A glitch or someone had not been getting enough"Zs". Amazon still honored the sale for those who were lucky enough to order the item thinking it might have been a "flash" bargain sale or something.

claborne, sorry buddy :PEACE: , might be exaggerating he's "doing this all the time". It is a crime to switch tags but in this case, the system didn't flag him because the encoding was legit.

If I found a PS4 tagged with an ultra low price, I won't be a hypocrite, I'd buy it in a flash. Unless the store calls my attention for the mistake.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:04 pm

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I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:

TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99


As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...

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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:21 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O me, o my...

I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:

TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99


As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...

Am I going to praise the OP? I will say this, the OP did get lucky with the manager this time, but nothing else. [-(


You are looking at the shelf tag. The shelf tag does not matter as to what was stuck on the box of the MP-BB. People people. When you check out at the cash register, the operator uses a bar code reader or slides the item over a built in sensor that read/decodes the barcode info in the price tag decal.

What's so hard at grasping that? You don't see a staff going all the way back to the shelf to check for the price unless the tag is visibly tampered with to arouse the staff's suspicions, or the item doesn't "show up" in the database.

Unless claborne admits he switched tags which I doubt because the MSTR BB detail showed up in his receipt, then we can condemn him
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby sol magnus » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:23 pm

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sol magnus wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Root of the issue is, was MP BB "tagged" right on the box? If that is the case, claborn is as innocent as a baby. The mistake is with the store. If the tag was corrected, well, claborn was just lucky.


I don't see how that is the "root of the issue" at all.

He wasn't "lucky" in any way other than in getting the manager to go along with his chicanery. He knew before he went to the counter the price was wrong and he campaigned to get the toy for the price that was there (6.99). He even admitted to running this kind of game "all the time". Then he came on here to brag out it. Then several people cheered him on for it.8-|

Bending the manager over the counter for a technicality is hardly "lucky", and he is hardly "innocent".


Woo hombre. Chill before we get into superflous bouts of piety. It isn't just the shelf where a product is laid in that determines a product price. Especially in TRU. the product is tagged with a retail price bar coded decal. If it's in the store database (see the receipt image, the encoded data on his receipt)

"TRNSFM MSTR Bumble & Spike"

630509466221

then he got a 58.00 INSTANT SAVINGS (take a good look at the picture)

For those in the know, the cash register staff just punches the buttons as those data are already encoded after they scan the item with a barcode reader.

The mistake was in the encoding/sticking the tag onto the product. Iirc, same thing happened a few years back at Amazon where SoC Daltanious was sold for a song.A glitch or someone had not been getting enough"Zs". Amazon still honored the sale for those who were lucky enough to order the item thinking it might have been a "flash" bargain sale or something.

claborne, sorry buddy :PEACE: , might be exaggerating he's "doing this all the time". It is a crime to switch tags but in this case, the system didn't flag him because the encoding was legit.

If I found a PS4 tagged with an ultra low price, I won't be a hypocrite, I'd buy it in a flash. Unless the store calls my attention for the mistake.



It's not about piety. I can't say for a fact I wouldn't take advantage a store computer mistake. But, I certainly wouldn't try to force the store to give it to me at some absurdly reduced price, either. Very recently, I picked up a Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow pack that was on the wrong peg, marked "clearance". When I got to the counter, the price turned out to be quite a bit higher. I just shrugged and said, "Oh well" and purchased the item, anyway.

If I wanted to, I could have shown them the peg it came from as there was almost everything from that assortment except death-vipers or whatever they are still on the peg for the clearance price. However, I didn't because that wasn't the price of the item.

What probably rankles me the most is that after essentially cheating the store, he came on the forum to brag about it. That is, to me, low-class. It's my opinion, do with it what you will.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby Burn » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:30 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:THIS. WAS. FRAUD. Pure and simple.

NO.IT.WASN'T.

The manager approved his purchase. He bought it legitimately.

"Fraud - wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"

Where was the deception? He clearly pointed out where he found it and the label the accompanied it. Did it result in a personal gain? Yes, but not through deceit. Through a store error.

Because once again.

The manager approved his purchase. He bought it legitimately.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:31 pm

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claborn wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Its not a mistake. look at the photos, the price is for the alt modes, its even written. The store didnt look into it well enough because there is technically nothing to honour. We couldnt get away with it here in quebec. This was just an item placed over a wrong price tag. It really surprised me that the manger didnt look into that and check that the price tag was for the right product.


OK here's the science of how this worked... a retailer has to honor displayed price. But there are certain times when they can honor or deny.

If i had grabbed one and asked the nearest person the price, they could then say "oops no not $6.99"... But i took it to the register and waited until she read the total to bring up the price. Once it hits that scanner, the manager is backed into a corner, i gave him no other option. He knew he was giving me a crazy discount and he wasn't happy lol

To be honest, i do this all the time because people just don't care about their jobs in retail. I've bought most of my current TFs this way (not this big of a discount tho :lol), a lazy employee will fill a scout class peg with $20 titans returns figures. put over stock fort maxes above a voyager class sticker... employees just aren't paying attention.


Oh...
OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................

The Bee actually scanned from the box at that price!
...
Well, too bad you werent in Québec because it would have meant a FREE MP-Bee. When such a stupid fokkop from a store happen, it's the lowest price minus 10$. If the value would go below zero, the item is free.

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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby sol magnus » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:35 pm

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claborn wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Its not a mistake. look at the photos, the price is for the alt modes, its even written. The store didnt look into it well enough because there is technically nothing to honour. We couldnt get away with it here in quebec. This was just an item placed over a wrong price tag. It really surprised me that the manger didnt look into that and check that the price tag was for the right product.


OK here's the science of how this worked... a retailer has to honor displayed price. But there are certain times when they can honor or deny.

If i had grabbed one and asked the nearest person the price, they could then say "oops no not $6.99"... But i took it to the register and waited until she read the total to bring up the price. Once it hits that scanner, the manager is backed into a corner, i gave him no other option. He knew he was giving me a crazy discount and he wasn't happy lol

To be honest, i do this all the time because people just don't care about their jobs in retail. I've bought most of my current TFs this way (not this big of a discount tho :lol), a lazy employee will fill a scout class peg with $20 titans returns figures. put over stock fort maxes above a voyager class sticker... employees just aren't paying attention.


Oh...
OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................

The Bee actually scanned from the box at that price!
...
Well, too bad you werent in Québec because it would have meant a FREE MP-Bee. When such a stupid fokkop from a store happen, it's the lowest price minus 10$. If the value would go below zero, the item is free.

So in the end, SCORE!

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Lemme tell you, it happenned to me a few times but not this epic.

I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:40 pm

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sol magnus wrote:I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.


Not true. I dunno how it happen elsewhere, but when it happen to me, the manager HAVE to be involved. Otherwise, no "punitive damage" sale can happen.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby sol magnus » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:43 pm

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sol magnus wrote:I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.


Not true. I dunno how it happen elsewhere, but when it happen to me, the manager HAVE to be involved. Otherwise, no "punitive damage" sale can happen.


That would assume the cashier knew the figure wasn't the right price. Otherwise, the Bee scans for $6.99 and it gets shoved into a bag, you pay the price but say nothing and roll out.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:51 pm

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sol magnus wrote:I don't think that's what he is saying. The next paragraph says what he means, with examples. If it scanned for that, the manager wouldn't have been involved at all.


Not true. I dunno how it happen elsewhere, but when it happen to me, the manager HAVE to be involved. Otherwise, no "punitive damage" sale can happen.


That would assume the cashier knew the figure wasn't the right price. Otherwise, the Bee scans for $6.99 and it gets shoved into a bag, you pay the price but say nothing and roll out.


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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:52 pm

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sol magnus wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Root of the issue is, was MP BB "tagged" right on the box? If that is the case, claborn is as innocent as a baby. The mistake is with the store. If the tag was corrected, well, claborn was just lucky.


I don't see how that is the "root of the issue" at all.

He wasn't "lucky" in any way other than in getting the manager to go along with his chicanery. He knew before he went to the counter the price was wrong and he campaigned to get the toy for the price that was there (6.99). He even admitted to running this kind of game "all the time". Then he came on here to brag out it. Then several people cheered him on for it.8-|

Bending the manager over the counter for a technicality is hardly "lucky", and he is hardly "innocent".


Woo hombre. Chill before we get into superflous bouts of piety. It isn't just the shelf where a product is laid in that determines a product price. Especially in TRU. the product is tagged with a retail price bar coded decal. If it's in the store database (see the receipt image, the encoded data on his receipt)

"TRNSFM MSTR Bumble & Spike"

630509466221

then he got a 58.00 INSTANT SAVINGS (take a good look at the picture)

For those in the know, the cash register staff just punches the buttons as those data are already encoded after they scan the item with a barcode reader.

The mistake was in the encoding/sticking the tag onto the product. Iirc, same thing happened a few years back at Amazon where SoC Daltanious was sold for a song.A glitch or someone had not been getting enough"Zs". Amazon still honored the sale for those who were lucky enough to order the item thinking it might have been a "flash" bargain sale or something.

claborne, sorry buddy :PEACE: , might be exaggerating he's "doing this all the time". It is a crime to switch tags but in this case, the system didn't flag him because the encoding was legit.

If I found a PS4 tagged with an ultra low price, I won't be a hypocrite, I'd buy it in a flash. Unless the store calls my attention for the mistake.



It's not about piety. I can't say for a fact I wouldn't take advantage a store computer mistake. But, I certainly wouldn't try to force the store to give it to me at some absurdly reduced price, either. Very recently, I picked up a Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow pack that was on the wrong peg, marked "clearance". When I got to the counter, the price turned out to be quite a bit higher. I just shrugged and said, "Oh well" and purchased the item, anyway.


If I wanted to, I could have shown them the peg it came from as there was almost everything from that assortment except death-vipers or whatever they are still on the peg for the clearance price. However, I didn't because that wasn't the price of the item.

What probably rankles me the most is that after essentially cheating the store, he came on the forum to brag about it. That is, to me, low-class. It's my opinion, do with it what you will.


I repeat, it is not up to us to judge but the subtle reason we post on any topic here is to to brag about something. One way or the other. Whether it be out knowledge on TF lore, our rare collections or our "achievements"

What you mentioned, about the tag on the shelf showing a certain price different from the data base on the box tag further strengthens my position which I thank you. It's what's tagged on the box of the item that matters. Sure, if there's a discrepancy to your advantage or disadvantage, it's your call to make if not same as you mentioned.

If you think you got a bargain, human nature precludes that they take advantage of a bargain. But if you will fully switch tags, now that is despicable.

But based on clabornes post, as the receipt tape he posted indicated, his purchase was legit as the cash register printed out the appropriate data confirming the Masterpiece BB and Spike with $58.00 savings.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:59 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O me, o my...

I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:

TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99


As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...

Am I going to praise the OP? I will say this, the OP did get lucky with the manager this time, but nothing else. [-(


You are looking at the shelf tag. The shelf tag does not matter as to what was stuck on the box of the MP-BB. People people. When you check out at the cash register, the operator uses a bar code reader or slides the item over a built in sensor that read/decodes the barcode info in the price tag decal.

What's so hard at grasping that? You don't see a staff going all the way back to the shelf to check for the price unless the tag is visibly tampered with to arouse the staff's suspicions, or the item doesn't "show up" in the database.


Because the price tags (have to/should) match whatever is in the digital system for that particular item shown on it, no matter where it's located. That tag was not for MP Bumblebee, therefore should not have been used for that instance of price matching.

In the ideal scenario, the item itself rang up something like "TRNSFM BMBLBSPK" or whatever the store uses, same as on the tag, and that's the end of the story. Scanned price is FINAL price, at least that's what I was taught back home :lol: Why do you think we have price scanners in case a price tag is missing?
Instead, a conveniently misplaced tag, for a different item, was used to get that otherwise expensive figure for cheap, and the manager choose the side of the tag, while he should stayed with the scanned price (unless there's a discrepancy with the price while the name reasonably matched).

From what I can tell, the item did just that: rang up as normal, but the price was then brought down by the manager, on the insistence of the customer, claiming the lower price on the tag (for a different item) is what he's entitled to. Whether or not he was doesn't actually matter now (I'd say he wasn't since the name doesn't reasonably match the item in question). The manager agreed to the sale, making it perfectly legal, albeit under very much less ideal circumstances, and that leaves a bit of a sour taste.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:05 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:O me, o my...

I've taken a closer look at the evidence presented (clicked on the image, and brought it full size. you should try it) and this is what the price tag reads:

TRNSFM GENRTN ALT MODES
******
6.99


As clear as day, that tag was not for Masterpiece Bumblebee, but for a different (but related) product. As such, the store made a mistake when stocking by either putting it on the wrong allocated space, or by not removing the price tag. Fine, it happens. But to actually use it as an opportunity to score something big for cheap, that's a bit eh... The most incredible part? The manager actually agreed to selling that item for that price to him, so technically speaking, despite the pretense, it's as legally binding as it can get, oddly enough. So nothing more can actually be done.
The manager was well in his right to contest the potential purchase, based on the evidence, but he choose not to, accepting full responsibility for the actions taken. Worse, once corporate gets wind of it, the manager is the one in trouble, not the customer. The customer is always right, after all...

Am I going to praise the OP? I will say this, the OP did get lucky with the manager this time, but nothing else. [-(


You are looking at the shelf tag. The shelf tag does not matter as to what was stuck on the box of the MP-BB. People people. When you check out at the cash register, the operator uses a bar code reader or slides the item over a built in sensor that read/decodes the barcode info in the price tag decal.

What's so hard at grasping that? You don't see a staff going all the way back to the shelf to check for the price unless the tag is visibly tampered with to arouse the staff's suspicions, or the item doesn't "show up" in the database.


Because the price tags (have to/should) match whatever is in the digital system for that particular item shown on it, no matter where it's located. That tag was not for MP Bumblebee, therefore should not have been used for that instance of price matching.

In the ideal scenario, the item itself rang up something like "TRNSFM BMBLBSPK" or whatever the store uses, same as on the tag, and that's the end of the story. Scanned price is FINAL price, at least that's what I was taught back home :lol: Why do you think we have price scanners in case a price tag is missing?
Instead, a conveniently misplaced tag, for a different item, was used to get that otherwise expensive figure for cheap, and the manager choose the side of the tag, while he should stayed with the scanned price (unless there's a discrepancy with the price while the name reasonably matched).

From what I can tell, the item did just that: rang up as normal, but the price was then brought down by the manager, on the insistence of the customer, claiming the lower price on the tag (for a different item) is what he's entitled to. Whether or not he was doesn't actually matter now (I'd say he wasn't since the name doesn't reasonably match the item in question). The manager agreed to the sale, making it perfectly legal, albeit under very much less ideal circumstances, and that leaves a bit of a sour taste.


In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

This is like the issue I mentioned that happened in Amazon where SoC Daltanious was sold for a song due to a glitch. Amazon still honored all the orders with a much lower price until the glitch was fixed.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby Burn » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:08 pm

fenrir72 wrote:In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

Exactly.

But if people don't want to accept that, well ... that's okay. They're allowed to feel otherwise.

At the end of the day, to me, he purchased it legally and got a bargain.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:12 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

Exactly.

But if people don't want to accept that, well ... that's okay. They're allowed to feel otherwise.

At the end of the day, to me, he purchased it legally and got a bargain.


I accept that it's legal. It's just the circumstances I don't agree with :-P
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby sol magnus » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:16 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Burn wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:In other words, still legal. The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

Exactly.

But if people don't want to accept that, well ... that's okay. They're allowed to feel otherwise.

At the end of the day, to me, he purchased it legally and got a bargain.


I accept that it's legal. It's just the circumstances I don't agree with :-P

I'll go as far as to say I was never arguing a legal point, anyway.

It's a crappy way to do business, in my opinion. Right up there with keeping Combiner Wars Voyagers for two years and returning them for merchandise to get Titans Return voyagers. Is it legal? Sure. Is it neckbearding, absolutely!
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby william-james88 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:50 pm

fenrir72 wrote: The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

What mistake? If there isnt enough generations pegs and there is a whole shipment of wave 2 deluxes, I can totally understand a store using some RID pegs for them. Its not practical, but I dont see it as a mistake. It only counts as a mistake by law if the price on the tag is not the right price and yet has the name and scan code of the figure. fenrir, have you ever seen a store have toys on the wrong peg? And if so, did you ever think of asking the store to give you the price you see on the peg, knowing it doesnt correspond to the item?

The part I dont like here is the idea of "honouring" a price. Your cant honour the price written if its a tag for a different product, in this case an alt modes figure.

And we are not just talking about this instance here, clareborne talks of having done this often in the past. Can we be 100% sure that everytime it was done it was because the store put a toy in the wrong peg and not someone else? And even then, does it matter?

And the transaction taking place does not make it legal. For instance, what if you go to TRU and price check with a fraudulent source. Say you go to walmart.com, print out a page for a deluxe toy and photoshop a different price in the listing. Then you present it for a price check. The transaction will go through, but fraudulent activity still took place. So does the transaction going through make it legal?
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:14 pm

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fenrir72 wrote: The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

What mistake? If there isnt enough generations pegs and there is a whole shipment of wave 2 deluxes, I can totally understand a store using some RID pegs for them. Its not practical, but I dont see it as a mistake. It only counts as a mistake by law if the price on the tag is not the right price and yet has the name and scan code of the figure. fenrir, have you ever seen a store have toys on the wrong peg? And if so, did you ever think of asking the store to give you the price you see on the peg, knowing it doesnt correspond to the item?

The part I dont like here is the idea of "honouring" a price. Your cant honour the price written if its a tag for a different product, in this case an alt modes figure.

And we are not just talking about this instance here, clareborne talks of having done this often in the past. Can we be 100% sure that everytime it was done it was because the store put a toy in the wrong peg and not someone else? And even then, does it matter?

And the transaction taking place does not make it legal. For instance, what if you go to TRU and price check with a fraudulent source. Say you go to walmart.com, print out a page for a deluxe toy and photoshop a different price in the listing. Then you present it for a price check. The transaction will go through, but fraudulent activity still took place. So does the transaction going through make it legal?


Again. I reserve judgement on clarborne's part/intentions. As I already answered the part of his "bragging" achievements....emphasis on bragging.......

What you are digging or over thinking at is if there is intended malfeasance by a certain individual to defraud.

Of course I'd throw the book of the law at that individual if he does all that PS things you are mentioning (though I doubt PS can actually clone the embedded barcode data). Going to all the trouble to deceive is a felony. Same as selling an item which isn't what you present it to be is a fraud. Only a very very very sick and amoral person would encourage other to keep on doing it.

Again,from what I see from clareborne is his "over stating" his previous "achievements".

"So please cool off and leave me alone" (sounds familiar?).......also, what's the difference between the content of my post and Burn's? :lol:
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby claborn » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:21 am

I think most of you guys are blowing this out of proportion (including the spelling of my name lol).

First of all, after having been on both sides of this scenario, this is a healthy relationship between retailers and customers that needs to exist.

The store trusts consumers won't go around switching prices and product (cameras for that) and consumers trust the store accurately displays and prices their merchandise.

If either are caught, the other party has a right to call them out on it. You can be prosecuted if you are caught switching tags, products or prices, so that's something I would never do. Jail time, fines, a felony record is not worth $58 and a bumblebee.

As a retailer, they would much rather me catch this than say a corporate exec stopping by. They'd rather me catch this than a Hasbro rep who could fine them for malpractices. They'd rather me catch this than a customer who really wouldn't know any better and could complain, write a bad review or even get the BBB involved.

As a customer, I'm glad they honor their mistakes because could you imagine walking into a store with everything priced wrong and management just saying "pfft deal with it." The world would be chaos, you'd never trust the price of anything.

There are no bad feelings from either party, yeah nobody wants mispriced products and nobody wants to honor an employees mistake, but if it were to happen, both parties would rather this be the outcome than many other worse scenarios.

Yes my eyes are peeled for the next one but I'm not out here to rip stores off. This is a healthy system that I encourage everyone to look for, it's better for everybody in the long run!
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

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Please, please clarify ONE thing. When you went to the cash register and the cashier scanned the MP-Bee, did it scanned FROM THE BOX at 6.99$?
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:59 am

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claborn wrote:Tl;Dr


Please, please clarify ONE thing. When you went to the cash register and the cashier scanned the MP-Bee, did it scanned FROM THE BOX at 6.99$?

He already said that it did not. It scanned for 64$, you can see it on his receipt.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:27 am

fenrir72 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote: The mistake was by the store and there's no malfeasance on clareborne's part.

What mistake? If there isnt enough generations pegs and there is a whole shipment of wave 2 deluxes, I can totally understand a store using some RID pegs for them. Its not practical, but I dont see it as a mistake. It only counts as a mistake by law if the price on the tag is not the right price and yet has the name and scan code of the figure. fenrir, have you ever seen a store have toys on the wrong peg? And if so, did you ever think of asking the store to give you the price you see on the peg, knowing it doesnt correspond to the item?

The part I dont like here is the idea of "honouring" a price. Your cant honour the price written if its a tag for a different product, in this case an alt modes figure.

And we are not just talking about this instance here, clareborne talks of having done this often in the past. Can we be 100% sure that everytime it was done it was because the store put a toy in the wrong peg and not someone else? And even then, does it matter?

And the transaction taking place does not make it legal. For instance, what if you go to TRU and price check with a fraudulent source. Say you go to walmart.com, print out a page for a deluxe toy and photoshop a different price in the listing. Then you present it for a price check. The transaction will go through, but fraudulent activity still took place. So does the transaction going through make it legal?


Again. I reserve judgement on clarborne's part/intentions. As I already answered the part of his "bragging" achievements....emphasis on bragging.......

What you are digging or over thinking at is if there is intended malfeasance by a certain individual to defraud.

Of course I'd throw the book of the law at that individual if he does all that PS things you are mentioning (though I doubt PS can actually clone the embedded barcode data). Going to all the trouble to deceive is a felony. Same as selling an item which isn't what you present it to be is a fraud. Only a very very very sick and amoral person would encourage other to keep on doing it.

Again,from what I see from clareborne is his "over stating" his previous "achievements".

"So please cool off and leave me alone" (sounds familiar?).......also, what's the difference between the content of my post and Burn's? :lol:

Only my first paragraph was in response to your post, the rest was general for this thread, sorry it didnt feel that way.

And I like your moral stance and always appreciate it, hence why I am really curious on your thoughts on what I wrote. If you don't mind, could you answer me this part:

Have you ever seen a store have toys on the wrong peg? Example, TR deluxes under a peg with a price and name of TR legends. And if so, did you ever think of asking the store to give you the price you see on the peg, knowing it doesnt correspond to the item?
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby SpacerAM2 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:09 pm

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SpacerAM2 wrote:the price is always honored on the shelf of that item. regardless of the price on the register. got to claim your right as a customer there or at any store. got to make your case on the register though. not before. which you did. nice find! you deserve it! ;)^


No, it was theft.

The 6.99$ label CLEARLY stated that it was for SOMETHING ELSE. By that logic, I could take Fortmax, put it above a candy bar price tag, and have a Fortmax for 1$.

If on the 6.99$ LABEL ITSELF, it was written "MP-Bee", only then he would have a right. What he did was a bloody fraud. He know this and the manager was either an acomplice, or incompetent.



if 6.99 is the actual price on the shelf, it is honored as it should. even if they change it afterwards. cause that is how much it was going for. especially if he makes his case about it. then the price should be honored in his regard or anyone's regard. it is not theft. it is customer policy. if it happened as he said.
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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

Postby william-james88 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:16 pm

SpacerAM2 wrote:if 6.99 is the actual price on the shelf, it is honored as it should. even if they change it afterwards. cause that is how much it was going for. especially if he makes his case about it. then the price should be honored in his regard or anyone's regard. it is not theft. it is customer policy.

Its not the price on the shelf. The price on the shelf for Bee is $65 or something, but the bees were not in front of that amount, they were instead placed a few feet away in the area of the alt modes figures.

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So the question you should all be asking is: if the store clearly states what item the price belongs to, can you still ask it to match a price of the other toy indicated?

If it was bunch of bumblebees all lined up above a tag clearly indicating shampoos for $6.99 would you all be saying the same thing?

And if anyone is curious about the pricing policy here it is:

"If the price at the cash register is higher than the price labelled on the product, the merchant must sell you the product at the price indicated on the label."

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Re: Just purchased MP BB for $6.99

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