AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Burn » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:30 am

Jack Hallows wrote:Was I wrong with that statement?

YES!

You said I made NO EFFORT! You **** know I made an effort! I DID WHAT I COULD TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY!

But you told Ryan I DID NOTHING! Here's a refresher of what you said. AGAIN.

without even a hint of investigating the claim


THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE! I LOOKED INTO IT, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY!

As I stated, your responses to me were “I asked the guy. He said what he said. Nothing else I can do. The game is broken. I don’t owe you any explanations.”

RIGHT HERE! YOU GIVE EXAMPLES THAT I DID DO SOMETHING BUT YOU TOLD RYAN I DID NOTHING!

Tell me you did not say those things and dismiss my concerns as “false accusations” while allowing these players to target me.

I dismissed your concerns because I did not consider it an issue. IT WAS JUST A PICTURE!
It gave the player ZERO ADVANTAGE.

Had it given him an advantage, trust me, I would have contacted Ryan ASAP to see if he could fix it.

As for allowing players to "target" you, Jack, step back and take a look at yourself. You have spent years abusing, mocking, and insulting Decepticon players.

The HMW forums have always been given a leniency for the "smack" talk. Jack, I'm going to be a honest Admin here. If you said the **** you've said over the years in other parts of the forums, you would have been gone a long time ago. As would many others.

But Jack, you can't sit there and hurl crap and not expect it to come back on you. I've been tolerant of you and your "smack talking" for years.

So don't you dare say I'm bias towards Decepticon players because they get the exact same leniency that's been shown to you.

As for removing your access from the Iacon Forums, it's because I'd had enough. There was a contest about to start and it was being over shadowed by you. Jack, again, being the honest Admin, I should have banned you for the flame war you incited. But I didn't because I wanted you to still be able to compete in the contest, which you could have done easily even without access to the Iacon Forums.

And while we’re at it, can I ask if you knew about the exploit prior to Seibertron pulling it out of the player?

Yes AND No.

This exploit came to light YEARS ago. I had completely forgotten about it. In fact, I thought it had been fixed (but like a lot of fixes it may have been undone with server issues).

It was not until Bun-Bun explained how it worked that I remembered it.

Did I remember it when you first raised the issue? No (hence why I thought it must have just been part of the regular rotation). Do I remember it now that it's been explained? Yes.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Naval Strike » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:23 am

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Dear Jack,

I won't address the issue of the exploit with you because i personally didn't exploit the bug and i think the exploit has been addressed enough.

I would like to talk with you about the fact that in my personally view your level 3 bots should be leveled up. And that is the reason why i call you a "Level Bully"

You discourage lower level Cons players because their cons really dont stand a change against your bots.
How many missions did your level bully bots win without any backup against 4 or 5 cons?

By leveling up the higher level Cons have more Bots to fight in the higher level missions.
What would improve overall gameplay.

You call yourself a militarily man, than you should know what honor in battle is and you dear man show no honor by being a level bully.

I really hope you understand my point of view on this issue and maybe choose to level your bots up!
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Jack Hallows » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:37 am

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Burn,

I was not wrong with the statement I made, but I admit I could have said “very little.”

Same difference though. Nothing would have been done had Seibertron not been gracious enough to shut down the operation based on the evidence I provided.

The same type of evidence I provided you when you asked for proof during our personal exchange about the Sharkticons.

Which, might I add again, is a class unique unto itself, just like the Allicon, (which one of these guys also had formatted.) and who also have their own unique Bite tactic, which we still don’t know much about because it was experimental.

You keep mentioning pictures, but pictures don’t come with abilities that don’t exist anywhere else in the game at this present moment, and no other Decepticon can recreate.

With all due respect, Burn, and I really mean that, I shouldn’t have to suggest things to you.

When I provide you with the objective, fact-based proof that you demand of me, on more than one occasion, and involving the same person who was discussed on the previous occasion, the “look at who’s presenting this to me” approach shouldn’t overshadow the “let’s actually look at what’s being presented here” approach.

You could have taken the opportunity I provided to address the player, publicly, and ask them what they were doing to create this effect.

Just like I suggested in the same thread.

Just like Seibertron did in his own thread.

And you see, the outlawed schematics were revealed, and it was fixed. (Again, apparently.)

Problem solved.

And it could have happened in an entirely different manner had you not held a personal bias against me.

Talk is talk, Burn. So simply asking a player to “change a picture” is doing nothing about the fact that a player was manipulating the game.

I will say this again:

You did nothing about the fact that a player was manipulating the game, and very little to investigate the issue thoroughly.

Which you had objective proof was happening, but refused to look at.

Do you need a reminder?
I can't **** believe this ****.

I read part of this crap, but I didn't bother finishing it.


Those are your own words.

You did more to figure out how much experience Kup had than you did to figure out how players were getting Sharkticons.

Are you going to accept that?

You mentioned the exploit as being something that was a thing years ago that you though had been patched up.

Given that information, isn’t it clear to you now that this was, indeed, an exploit?

You mentioned in Iacon that what the Autobots were doing (corresponding with one another through pm, because there was no access to Iacon at that point) was akin to “the garbage that was going on in the AWC days” when “Autobots were encouraged to cheat.”

Yet, there was never even an inkling of any cheating happening on the Autobot side in this day and age, just noobs overexcited about something new and awesome, and then concerned when they were suddenly getting slaughtered by Decepticons wielding weapons that were only ever created as test subjects and there were only ever 4 of in this entire game.

To be specific, I’m referring to the green and black lightsaber ordeal. Where a player, who happens to be the same one who was exploiting the game, asked you in private to restock those specific lightsabers.

There is absolutely no problem what that, specifically, but the problem lies in the fact that when an Autobot player made a post in Iacon, rallying the troops in response to the Sharkticon/lightsaber invasion, you slaughtered them in your post, and they were only roleplaying about something that was actually happening.

And you know what the worst part about the whole thing is? You talked about being worried about “AWC garbage” happening amongst Autobots who know absolutely nothing about the mechanics of this game, while at the exact same time, players wearing the Renegade Decepticon Dissident insignia, and know “so much more about the game” than everyone else, were actively exploiting the game.

Which you did nothing about.

Asking a question requires 0 effort, and I put all the personal effort in to investigate the issue myself.

All you had to do was your diligent duty, which was confronting the exploiter, instead of threatening to ban the person who exposed the tampering.

Moving on,

You have an extremely valid point regarding the trash talk; but you’re missing one key and very differentiating factor: when we talked trash to one another back in the day, and even in the opening posts of this very thread, it was game related and there was never an attack on another player’s person or personal character.

We kept it in-game, on topic and in missions/forums.

You know that - and it’s why you allowed it to happen back in the day. And when/if we crossed the line, you slapped us straight, both bot and con, and everything was back to the crack-fu.

Also, and I thought you would’ve noticed this, I have toned down a lot since 2012.

I’ve also posted very few times since 2012, and I definitely don’t use the type of language I used to use on here anymore.

So you claiming that I have mocked, abused, flamed or whatever else, Decepticon players for years, is an outright over exaggeration and an extreme stretch of the truth.

You know that.

I’m a changed bot, and it’s a shame that you haven’t noticed.

Regarding Wingz’s challenge, I took the week off the boards and opted out of it because after Seibertron addressed the issue, I knew the exploiter would be upset, and I didn’t want my presence turning things nasty again for Wingz’s first real challenge as an Autobot.

Wingz knew that I would be there for support, and I did exactly as I’d promised.

But with the target I had on my back, I knew I’d do Wingz’s cause more harm than good.

So, In essence, I did the Autobots a favor by enacting radio silence and digging into the trenches to support them. I can’t help it if it pissed off everyone.

Hell, I piss off everyone when I open my mouth and I piss off everyone when I shut it the hell up.

What do you lot want from me?

If it’s to leave the game, you might as well ban me right now, Burn.

I would respect it, understand it and you would never hear from or about me again.

You have my word.

But before any of that takes place, I have to be 100% right now:

The most astounding part about all of this, is that I’m getting more straightforward explanations from you in your anger than I ever did while there was no overt animosity between us.

If you don’t end up banning me for this, I might just make pissing you off a priority if it means we actually get to have a decent discussion for once.

Or,

You could admit that you did not handle the situation to the best of your ability, and I will apologize for telling Seibertron you did “nothing” instead of “very little” and we can move forward from this, hopefully have better communication in the future and have fun like you ordered us to do in Iacon.

It’s your call, Burn.

Either way, I will respect it.

I’ve had enough of making people’s lives miserable.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby steve2275 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:07 am

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Naval Strike » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:12 am

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steve2275 wrote:i dont think i said that much in my almost 15 years here ;)


Im pissing my pants right now... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Bun-Bun » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:22 am

steve2275 wrote:i dont think i said that much in my almost 15 years here ;)

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Jack Hallows » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:46 am

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Naval Strike wrote:Dear Jack,

I won't address the issue of the exploit with you because i personally didn't exploit the bug and i think the exploit has been addressed enough.

Yes, I addressed this in an earlier post. I recognized the fact that you have never exploited the game and I respect that. Teach those ethics to the rest of your faction, founding father.

I would like to talk with you about the fact that in my personally view your level 3 bots should be leveled up. And that is the reason why i call you a "Level Bully"

You discourage lower level Cons players because their cons really dont stand a change against your bots.
How many missions did your level bully bots win without any backup against 4 or 5 cons?

I would like to ask you a serious question that I hope you will consider thoughtfully before you answer.

When was the last time you fought one on one with an Autobot without backup in missions?

If the answer is anything that you have to think about to remember, then you know why my bots are where they are.

Everyone has seen the multitude of screen captures I have posted. Everyone sees how outnumbered the Autobots are in the ground missions, do you expect me to leave the few new Autobot recruits we get out to the wolves?

I have three level 3 Wreckers. 3. And unless I see multiple Cons outnumbering an Autobot in the ground missions, I won’t enter the mission.

Also, If one of my allies is online and wants to deploy, I will provide them with backup so Cons don’t overwhelm and scrap them. I have seen the mission logs of bots when I’m not in their missions. Con insignias and 0’s.

If you’d noticed, I reached out to Autobots to step up and take my place. And how do you expect them to get there if they don’t have help fighting through the hordes of Cons overrunning the ground missions?

But to answer your question, the matches where my bot, with no backup, wins against 3 or more cons that are close in level, are very few. And if you would like to challenge that, post screen grabs or links to prove your words, just like I do.
By leveling up the higher level Cons have more Bots to fight in the higher level missions.
What would improve overall gameplay.

The activity in the higher level missions is as steady as it has always been. It’s the ground level missions that are keeping the Con score high. When ever I activate my Wreckers, I never have to scour for missions with Cons in them because all the missions at that level have Cons in them. What I actually have to do, is prioritize which Autobots I can back up at any given time and hope the other bots fare well in their outnumbered mission.

You call yourself a militarily man, than you should know what honor in battle is and you dear man show no honor by being a level bully.
I really hope you understand my point of view on this issue and maybe choose to level your bots up!

I don’t call myself a military man. I am a military man. As such, I understand that honor means staying true to your cause, your compatriots and not giving in to enemy demands because they want to wipe the floor clean at the ground level without any skilled opposition to stunt their plans.

I understand your concerns and your request, and I ask you to understand and consider mine.

I asked for an Autobot to step up into the role of protector of the Autobot ground forces, and until they do, the Wreckers will be fulfilling that role. There are only 3 of them. How much of a damper in your plans do they really cause you?
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Jack Hallows » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:54 am

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steve2275 wrote:i dont think i said that much in my almost 15 years here ;)


Lol. if we add up all the words from all your posts here, you probably said at least half of it though.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Psychout » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:11 am

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby ashe5k » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:24 am

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Psychout » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:25 am

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Wingz » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:40 am

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Jack Hallows wrote:Same difference though. Nothing would have been done had Seibertron not been gracious enough to shut down the operation based on the evidence I provided.


While I can't speak for Seibertron and would never presume to know his intentions, I truly believe his actions were intended to bring peace back to this forum.

So, Jack, I'm begging you. Please, show everyone here just what kind of 'Bot you truly are and let it go. Walk away. Please, just let this issue die. There's nothing left to fight over.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Redimus » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:12 pm

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Wingz wrote:Please, show everyone here just what kind of 'Bot you truly are


He's already doing that, he should show us what he's not and STFU...
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Jack Hallows » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:38 pm

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I would like to let the record state that as of Monday, January 22, 2018, 2:32 pm, I dropped the issue.

I dropped it as soon as Seibertron addressed it and shut the operation down.

Others kept it alive and drew me back into it.

If they were so wanting of it to be finished, they would have taken this guy’s advice:

Redimus GTS wrote: and STFU...


While I did the same thing.

We clearly see who wants the issue to be finished and who doesn’t.

And the more people respond to my thread like this last guy, without anything inherently or even remotely intelligent to say, the longer this will drag out.

If people want to have conversations that will build understanding and mend bridges between factions or people, and in a non-pretentious manner, I am ALL FOR THAT.

Just like the exchange I had with Naval Strike.

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Bun-Bun » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:47 pm

Jack Hallows wrote:If people want to have conversations that will build understanding and mend bridges between factions or people, and in a non-pretentious manner, I am ALL FOR THAT.


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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Naval Strike » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:58 pm

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Jack Hallows wrote:
Take notes from your boss, Red.


Dear Jack,

In the RDD there isn't one boss, we have a council with every member having a vote.
Like i said we function as group and support each other no member is better or lesser than the other.
We don't believe in ONE person standing above all other, none of us think we are gods or even desire to be gods.

That being said i think you understand the way you profiled yourself and the way you communicate with others (at least on these forums) rub a lot of people the wrong way and its human nature to respond in kind or react out of emotions.

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Burn » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:22 pm

Alright guys, the damage is done, let's leave it in the past and move forward. (That's a directive in case people didn't get the hint)
Chip in and give Psychout and Friends a hand to come up with tournament ideas.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby steve2275 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:24 am

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but it wont get any worse"
ya know what i hate

https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473504
lunatyk going into hell mission because thatsthe mission for lower level xp not level 11
i hope lower bots show
now watch luna take their XP
yup those other cons coulda had more XP but luna took those XP
polty and lady in white (sorry we must fight) https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473516
https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473515 luna shoulda been one of those missions
SEE HOW ALL THOSE LOWER LEVEL CONS GOT NEEDED XP AND WON
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Redimus » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:33 am

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Hey steve, it's been fun squaring off against your bots this morning. Keep up the good work.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby steve2275 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:34 am

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but it wont get any worse"
Redimus GTS wrote:Hey steve, it's been fun squaring off against your bots this morning. Keep up the good work.

ill do what i can to help you https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... p?id=20726 and others

and how was luna in this mission https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473524
when https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473518 that one was available before that hell wich wasnt there or else lambo woulda been in that
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Burn » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:19 am

Redimus GTS wrote:Keep up the good work.

And in no time at all he'll be "offered" the job of "Supreme Commander"

ALL HAIL STEVE2275!
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby steve2275 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:03 am

Motto: "it may not get better
but it wont get any worse"
https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473554 out of all of the night stalkers the one with the least needed xp goes in

https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473594 oh sure know polty shows up i miss just fighting him
and wheres jack when i actually need him :-? ;)
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Psychout » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:55 pm

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steve2275 wrote:ya know what i hate

https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473504
lunatyk going into hell mission because thatsthe mission for lower level xp not level 11
i hope lower bots show
now watch luna take their XP
yup those other cons coulda had more XP but luna took those XP
polty and lady in white (sorry we must fight) https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473516
https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=473515 luna shoulda been one of those missions
SEE HOW ALL THOSE LOWER LEVEL CONS GOT NEEDED XP AND WON

Is someone writing Steve's posts for him again, or has he used up his monthly text allowance in 1 go?

Totally not using this as an excuse for a cheap brag.
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Re: AUTOBOTS: Stand Firm.

Postby Redimus » Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:18 am

Motto: "Better than Michael Bay..."
Weapon: Null-Ray Rifle
The definition of level bullying.


Combined total xp of the 3 cons (2 level 7s and a level 5) = 33,421,911xp
Xp of the one level 7 bot in that mission = 138,952,110xp
XP difference between the two sides: 105,530,199xp

Not explicit enough for you?

My entire team, which has a level 8, 5 level 7s and 6 level 4s in it, has less than 1m xp more than that one LEVEL SEVEN character...
Jack.... Please explain yourself.
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