Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor didn't change much. He mostly grew more defiant of Optimus, but that is typical of adolescence. And he was able to grow up in the long run. In a way, from the beginning of Beast Wars to the end of Beast Machines, Cheetor was arguably the most developed character of both series, and had his growth executed very natural and believable.
The only speed bump I can see in Megatron's development was his change of opinion about beast modes and organic material in general, as the end of Beast Wars had him proud of and embrace the might of his dragon form. While there were probably some months that occurred between the time of his return to Cybertron and the time of the Maximals' return, 'twould have still been nice to actually see how he grew to resent his beast mode.RhA wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor didn't change much. He mostly grew more defiant of Optimus, but that is typical of adolescence. And he was able to grow up in the long run. In a way, from the beginning of Beast Wars to the end of Beast Machines, Cheetor was arguably the most developed character of both series, and had his growth executed very natural and believable.
Agreed. With Megatron as a close second.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The only speed bump I can see in Megatron's development was his change of opinion about beast modes and organic material in general, as the end of Beast Wars had him proud of and embrace the might of his dragon form. While there were probably some months that occurred between the time of his return to Cybertron and the time of the Maximals' return, 'twould have still been nice to actually see how he grew to resent his beast mode.RhA wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Cheetor didn't change much. He mostly grew more defiant of Optimus, but that is typical of adolescence. And he was able to grow up in the long run. In a way, from the beginning of Beast Wars to the end of Beast Machines, Cheetor was arguably the most developed character of both series, and had his growth executed very natural and believable.
Agreed. With Megatron as a close second.
Supplementary material only scantly touches upon Megatron's activity in this time period, with most of it focusing instead on how he got the Transformation virus rather than focusing on his changing viewpoints.
Where do you see martial arts fighting and the combining of personal weapons to make a bigger weapon in this series?TurboMMaster wrote:However there is a few things I don't understand, the decide "Let's create dark, serious series" and they introduce Power Rangers style of fightning?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
PrymeStriker wrote:The only complaints I have with Beast Machines regard to how some of the old characters were handled. As mentioned by others, what they did with Rattrap, Silverbolt, and Megatron felt like the writers didn't want to keep consistent with Beast Wars and ignored some of their development. However, I try not to connect these two shows when I don't have to, making Beast Machines among the three greatest Transformers cartoons of all-time.
Beast Wars and Animated, of course.william-james88 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:The only complaints I have with Beast Machines regard to how some of the old characters were handled. As mentioned by others, what they did with Rattrap, Silverbolt, and Megatron felt like the writers didn't want to keep consistent with Beast Wars and ignored some of their development. However, I try not to connect these two shows when I don't have to, making Beast Machines among the three greatest Transformers cartoons of all-time.
What are the other 2?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Beast Wars and Animated, of course.william-james88 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:The only complaints I have with Beast Machines regard to how some of the old characters were handled. As mentioned by others, what they did with Rattrap, Silverbolt, and Megatron felt like the writers didn't want to keep consistent with Beast Wars and ignored some of their development. However, I try not to connect these two shows when I don't have to, making Beast Machines among the three greatest Transformers cartoons of all-time.
What are the other 2?
Truth be told, Beast Machines is only in top #4 spot, and in a three-way tie, at that.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Beast Wars and Animated, of course.william-james88 wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:The only complaints I have with Beast Machines regard to how some of the old characters were handled. As mentioned by others, what they did with Rattrap, Silverbolt, and Megatron felt like the writers didn't want to keep consistent with Beast Wars and ignored some of their development. However, I try not to connect these two shows when I don't have to, making Beast Machines among the three greatest Transformers cartoons of all-time.
What are the other 2?
No G1? Blasphemy!!!!!!!!! Just messing, my favourites are Bw, BM and Prime. I do enjoy watching G1 though, it has a fun and comfortable feel to it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:
#1 is Beast Wars, #2 is Animated, #3 is a tie between Super-God Masterforce and Rescue Bots, and #4 is the three-way tie between Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise (2001), and Prime. I'd rank Prime higher on list (or bump the other two down to #5) if not for Prime's haphazard mess of a first season.
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
#1 is Beast Wars, #2 is Animated, #3 is a tie between Super-God Masterforce and Rescue Bots, and #4 is the three-way tie between Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise (2001), and Prime. I'd rank Prime higher on list (or bump the other two down to #5) if not for Prime's haphazard mess of a first season.
Ha! Where does G1 fit in all of that?
Further down at #7 (also in a three-way tie with Armada and Victory).william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
#1 is Beast Wars, #2 is Animated, #3 is a tie between Super-God Masterforce and Rescue Bots, and #4 is the three-way tie between Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise (2001), and Prime. I'd rank Prime higher on list (or bump the other two down to #5) if not for Prime's haphazard mess of a first season.
Ha! Where does G1 fit in all of that?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
shajaki wrote:i disagree with the opinions of rattrap. given his physical changes, i think the changes in his character are quite fitting.
try to remember a few key episodes of BW. they feature rattrap showcasing his skills quite fearlessly. "a better mousetrap" had rattrap take on sentinel, the axalons security system, and rose to the occasion. during "the agenda" he single handedly takes down ravage and his ship. not to mention that rattrap had taken command of the maximals in times of great duress.
then the maximals are triumphant and return home, only to be separated, stripped down, and confused. i think this made rattrap regress. recall the beginning of the BW where rattrap had little respect and was downright insubordinate. and when the group find eachother on cybertron after the crash, its as if they didnt remember one another until they were actually seen. so imagine rattrap landing back on cybertron, not only powerless, but with little to no memory of the BW. a regression of his old traits makes perfect sense.
he once again had to find himself, but now had to do so without any of his previous arsenal. being reformatted didnt help much either as he couldnt transform. and even after all that, he learns to transform only to find a robot mode devoid of weapons. which leads to the other doing worse than hating him, they pity him and find him useless. these feeling come to a head in the BM episode titled "the weak component" which i found equally as powerful as "code of hero".
after this, rattrap finds new strengths and abilities which evidently make him cast off his doubt and gain acceptance with the rest of the maximal crew.
to me anyways, thats a powerful amount of character development.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:
Now do the same to justify Silverbolt's personality change.
It was just the first animal fossil the DNA scanner scanned. Simple as that.william-james88 wrote:I still don't get his alt mode though and how it came to be.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It was just the first animal fossil the DNA scanner scanned. Simple as that.william-james88 wrote:I still don't get his alt mode though and how it came to be.
Why the colors for everyone else? Why pink for Blackarachnia? Why green for Rattrap? Why chocolate and teal for Nightscream? Primal and Cheetor are the only ones whose colors made sense.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It was just the first animal fossil the DNA scanner scanned. Simple as that.william-james88 wrote:I still don't get his alt mode though and how it came to be.
Sure, but what was it and why in those colours?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
silverbolt is easy. he even says it himself.william-james88 wrote:Oh man, I wish I had time for this because I believe Silverbolt's change is far more believable. I still don't get his alt mode though and how it came to be.Sabrblade wrote:Now do the same to justify Silverbolt's personality change.
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