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Rodimus Prime wrote:Once again, I'm in agreement. But all that you just wrote doesn't excuse the failures of the Constitution or the failures of the men who wrote it. You're right, it will fail, because it was fallible to begin with, which was my point in the first place.

When one pushes something down they are usually holding onto another. So, which country or system currently in place do you hold dear?

Truthstar9 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Once again, I'm in agreement. But all that you just wrote doesn't excuse the failures of the Constitution or the failures of the men who wrote it. You're right, it will fail, because it was fallible to begin with, which was my point in the first place.

When one pushes something down they are usually holding onto another. So, which country or system currently in place do you hold dear?

None of them. Socialism (in ALL its forms) and communism are failures outright. Capitalism is better but it can definitely be improved on. The lack of regulations on parts of it is what leads to economic and societal inequality, keeping people who work hard from rising up and having a better quality of life, while some of those who come from old money keep on cheating and manipulating the system because they can. Once in a while we have someone who either gets lucky or comes up with an idea that will make that person wealthy. That's the good part. But then more often than not that person becomes one of the 'elite' and forgets wheres/he came from once that power through wealth is acquired. It is yet another thing the Constitution is supposedly protecting us against. Everyone should have a fair chance in our legal system, yet corruption is rampant. Same goes for the industrial sector, but that can't be blamed on the inadequities of the Constitution itself, just on the inadequities of those tasked with interpreting and enforcing it.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Truthstar9 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Once again, I'm in agreement. But all that you just wrote doesn't excuse the failures of the Constitution or the failures of the men who wrote it. You're right, it will fail, because it was fallible to begin with, which was my point in the first place.

When one pushes something down they are usually holding onto another. So, which country or system currently in place do you hold dear?

None of them. Socialism (in ALL its forms) and communism are failures outright. Capitalism is better but it can definitely be improved on. The lack of regulations on parts of it is what leads to economic and societal inequality, keeping people who work hard from rising up and having a better quality of life, while some of those who come from old money keep on cheating and manipulating the system because they can. Once in a while we have someone who either gets lucky or comes up with an idea that will make that person wealthy. That's the good part. But then more often than not that person becomes one of the 'elite' and forgets wheres/he came from once that power through wealth is acquired. It is yet another thing the Constitution is supposedly protecting us against. Everyone should have a fair chance in our legal system, yet corruption is rampant. Same goes for the industrial sector, but that can't be blamed on the inadequities of the Constitution itself, just on the inadequities of those tasked with interpreting and enforcing it.

Ok that's completely fair but you are misunderstanding some critical aspects. Constitution wasn't written to rid society of all forms of corruption.

There are institutions and laws in place to keep things in check but there are absolute failures which favor insiders everywhere bc the higher one goes the easer corruption becomes. And don't pretend insiders are all white. Its a bigger world than you think. I don't see many white people in China or India, two very separate systems, with huge income disparities which won't change anytime soon. What makes our society better is our Constitution. That's why they flock to the USA.

Perhaps focus your attention on shedding light on corruption. Start with the SEC and how stocks are manipulated on a daily basis a 10 year old can see what's going on. But guess what, the world isn't fair and never will be. At least here you are able to navigate the hurdles and still succeed. There is no such thing as equality, just opportunity. You can choose to cry over the prior or capture the latter.
You are a crier.

No, I'm simply pointing out the failures of the Constitution. But you are ignorant. You see things 1 way through a narrow view. Like you said, the world is bigger than you think it is, and not everyone is the same or comes from the same place. Which is why some of them come here, again, like you said. So why don't you think about your own words and realize that opportunity is not the same for everyone and equality is not everyone should have the equal amount at the finish line, but everyone should be given the same opportunity to achieve whatever they decide to set as their goal. Success is not the same for every person. Once you open your eyes to more than just your little corner of the world and see what some other people go through maybe you'll have a better understanding of the world.

Rodimus Prime wrote:No, I'm simply pointing out the failures of the Constitution. But you are ignorant. You see things 1 way through a narrow view. Like you said, the world is bigger than you think it is, and not everyone is the same or comes from the same place. Which is why some of them come here, again, like you said. So why don't you think about your own words and realize that opportunity is not the same for everyone and equality is not everyone should have the equal amount at the finish line, but everyone should be given the same opportunity to achieve whatever they decide to set as their goal. Success is not the same for every person. Once you open your eyes to more than just your little corner of the world and see what some other people go through maybe you'll have a better understanding of the world.

I wrote a long reply but realized its a waste of breath. Libtards typically change their mindset with age because people tend to mature.

Truthstar9 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:No, I'm simply pointing out the failures of the Constitution. But you are ignorant. You see things 1 way through a narrow view. Like you said, the world is bigger than you think it is, and not everyone is the same or comes from the same place. Which is why some of them come here, again, like you said. So why don't you think about your own words and realize that opportunity is not the same for everyone and equality is not everyone should have the equal amount at the finish line, but everyone should be given the same opportunity to achieve whatever they decide to set as their goal. Success is not the same for every person. Once you open your eyes to more than just your little corner of the world and see what some other people go through maybe you'll have a better understanding of the world.

I wrote a long reply but realized its a waste of breath. Libtards typically change their mindset with age because people tend to mature.
There is nothing funnier than a SJW wailing for a medic. Should be an entertaining next few months.

You should have kept the other reply, maybe it would have made you look like less of an imbecile. Because what you did respond with makes no sense and has nothing to do with what I said.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Truthstar9 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:No, I'm simply pointing out the failures of the Constitution. But you are ignorant. You see things 1 way through a narrow view. Like you said, the world is bigger than you think it is, and not everyone is the same or comes from the same place. Which is why some of them come here, again, like you said. So why don't you think about your own words and realize that opportunity is not the same for everyone and equality is not everyone should have the equal amount at the finish line, but everyone should be given the same opportunity to achieve whatever they decide to set as their goal. Success is not the same for every person. Once you open your eyes to more than just your little corner of the world and see what some other people go through maybe you'll have a better understanding of the world.

I wrote a long reply but realized its a waste of breath. Libtards typically change their mindset with age because people tend to mature.
There is nothing funnier than a SJW wailing for a medic. Should be an entertaining next few months.

You should have kept the other reply, maybe it would have made you look like less of an imbecile. Because what you did respond with makes no sense and has nothing to do with what I said.

I'm not under any obligation to spoon feed anyone, especially when they aren't hungry.

To give you a good analogy of your thinking...

True story. I was living in Spain, early twenties, pretty great experience. People are proud of their culture, pleasant if you try to speak their language and the senoritas hot. Made casual friends with a local I was drinking with and was invited to hangout with his friends. Youth there typically get a bottle and stand in a parking lot/beach etc, with a few hundred others to shoot the ****, meet girls etc.

So there I am, only American from NYC in the entire area. Accent goes a long way there. So there's a girl in the group with an attitude you could spot a mile away, she comes up to me right away and starts talking politics. blah blah blah all complaints about USA world affairs. I was pretty shocked, as its quite rude to speak to a guest in such a manner. Just looked at the others there like, is this a joke or something. Just ignored her and left.
Ran into her fat mouth a few weeks later at the Irish Pub, international hot zone. She came up and again just wouldn't shut it with her whining. Obviously I'm there to get wrecked and meet some hot ass. So she's yapping away as I'm searching the settings for better company or thinking is it worth the ordeal just to bang her. She then went on to say that since the USA is the sole superpower of the world, that she should be allowed to vote for the Presidency.
That's when I realized just how **** stupid some people are. They can't even be reasoned with given their level of stupidity.
Your thought process is similar hers. Not saying you are as **** stupid, but I bet you would have a meeting of minds if you were there. .

Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

I don't even know what that last one was about. What are you supposed to say about that? "I'm sorry you were [redacted]-blocked by American imperialism?"

In more positive news, it's been heartening to see professional athletes using labor actions as a form of nonviolent protest. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm hopeful that society will recommit to lasting change. Too many organizations have seemed ready to move on.

AcademyofDrX wrote:In more positive news, it's been heartening to see professional athletes using labor actions as a form of nonviolent protest. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm hopeful that society will recommit to lasting change. Too many organizations have seemed ready to move on.

I spit in the face of overpaid virtue signalers.

I'm not alone.



Speaking of virtue signalers, PJW make a great parallel between the current Cancel Culture and the Saleem Witch Trials. The link with BLM "protests"? Letting emotions rules over the facts.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Once again, I'm in agreement. But all that you just wrote doesn't excuse the failures of the Constitution or the failures of the men who wrote it. You're right, it will fail, because it was fallible to begin with, which was my point in the first place.

Rodimus Prime wrote:None of them. Socialism (in ALL its forms) and communism are failures outright. Capitalism is better but it can definitely be improved on. The lack of regulations on parts of it is what leads to economic and societal inequality, keeping people who work hard from rising up and having a better quality of life, while some of those who come from old money keep on cheating and manipulating the system because they can. Once in a while we have someone who either gets lucky or comes up with an idea that will make that person wealthy. That's the good part. But then more often than not that person becomes one of the 'elite' and forgets wheres/he came from once that power through wealth is acquired. It is yet another thing the Constitution is supposedly protecting us against. Everyone should have a fair chance in our legal system, yet corruption is rampant. Same goes for the industrial sector, but that can't be blamed on the inadequities of the Constitution itself, just on the inadequities of those tasked with interpreting and enforcing it.

I was going to make a long post with a point by point refutation like I did the last time, but firstly, that's a lot of work, and secondly, I don't think that's necessary. I don't think you have a problem with the constitution. You just have a problem with the people that used it.

The constitution is a legal framework. We both agree on that. That means it's a tool for building a legal system and a nation. It is a tool. Like a hammer. The constitution was meant to create a free society where the government could not dictate the lives of its citizens directly by directly telling the government what it could not do. A hammer is a tool that puts nails into wood. A hammer can also be used to cave in someones skull. And the constitution can be selectively enforced. And there's the rub.

You don't have a problem with the constitution, you seem just fine with it EXCEPT that it wasn't extended to everyone, as you see it. Part of that is true, but I believe you've fallen into a fallacy of judging the actions of the past by the virtues of the present. As they say, it was a different time. That may not make it right and you don't have to accept it. But if you want to judge these people guilty for applying it the way they did would be no different than if a time traveler came to our time and judged us all guilty for eating meat because hunting, butchering, and consuming meat is illegal in the future. You can be all kinds of upset if you want, but that's just the way it is. And as I said before, you can't change the past.

Now, on the subject of including everyone, you're right that it was exclusive before. Not because the constitution is an exclusive document. You like to say that it only applies to rich, white men and that's stupid. Nowhere in the constitution does it EVER mention race, or wealth, or sex. Again, you are judging the document of the past by the virtues of the present. Men worked outside the house, women worked inside the house. The VAST majority of the colonies were white, and the people that ran the country were rich, because if you weren't wealth you were knee deep in mud trying to farm the land. That's the way things were and most people were a bit more concerned about survival than they were what civil privilages they might or might not have had. That didn't change until much later when survival was less of a concern and people had the luxary of campaigning for those rights and privilages.

And the they got them. Slavery was done away with when we said enough and recognised blacks for who they were. We extended citizenship to everyone who was both here and not just those who were already born to citizens. We extended voting to all citizens afterwards. You want the consitution to extend to ALL peoples of the United States. IT DOES. Your problem is that the people USING the constitution aren't applying it, and I'll agree with you there. But tearing apart the constituion won't fix that. Amending it until it fills an entire wing of the congressional library won't fix that. You want equal rights for blacks? It's already in the laws. You want equal rights for women? It's already in the laws. You want equal rights for the poor? It's already in the laws. You want equal rights for the LGBT individuals? If you're convinced that the laws so far enumerated aren't already doing that then why would another amendment fix that? In fact what amendment could you POSSIBLY add now that would somehow improve, broaden, or secure further equality among the citizens of the US? I'd like to hear it.

The truth is, I think the constiution is irrelevant in this conversation. It's a tool, and a damn good one. The problem is that it's misused. You complain that it's been selectively employed, and I'll give you that. If I'm building a house and I only use the hammer to nail in one wall, then the other three walls will fall apart. The problem is the builder, not the tool. And I can make it the best hammer ever. I can perfectly balance the weight, add computer guidance to never miss a nail, but that won't fix it. What you want is a political change. You want a governmental change, a way to force the politicians of TODAY to apply the laws equally for everyone, to stop infringing on the rights of ANYONE, and to be properly restrained as was intended by the original document. And that's fine, that's a good place to be. I think we all want that. Hell, I do believe that we've come full circle to what this whole BLM thread started as. Took a long time but we got there. Oh, and one more thing..

Burn wrote:Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

If he's insulted someone and you want to call him out on it, warn him, whatever, you do that. That's your job. But you are not the arbiter of where someone can or must go on the site and it is wholly inappropriate for you to even ask where or whether they will go. The forums are not exclusive to or restricted from certain members. You are a mod, not the archangel of justice, and I will be here to remind you of that.

AcademyofDrX wrote:In more positive news, it's been heartening to see professional athletes using labor actions as a form of nonviolent protest. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm hopeful that society will recommit to lasting change. Too many organizations have seemed ready to move on.

I believe there's going to be lasting change but I don't think it's going to be in the way you want it. I'm fine with the athletes doing their thing. Personally I still don't agree with it and I don't care about sports in general. But remember that it's not all about them. For every athlete that is taking a knee or walking off the court not performing until they get the change they want, there is another city on fire. This has been brought up before when people have said that the riots are undoing absolutely EVERYTHING BLM ever stood for and why no one is supporting it anymore. The athletes walking off is bold but in the end it pales in consideration to the violence and destruction. You've said it before, rioting is the language of the unheard and they are being heard, and the people are listening. They're by in large ignoring the non-violent protest and instead looking at the riots saying "We don't care anymore. It's our city. Stop them now" and instead of getting police reform you're getting national guard troops moved in.

This has been the problem from the start and why so many of us have said that before ANYTHING else can be addressed, this has to be stopped. There's a popular image shared in the BLM movement, the two houses on fire, one with a small fire and one engulfed. The small fire is All Lives Matter and the big one is Black Lives Matter, with the water going to the smaller one. It's meant as a snipe at the all lives matter people because black lives need more attention right now. Well, I turn that around now and the small fire is Black Lives matter, and the big fire is LITERALLY AN ENTIRE CITY ON FIRE. You want attention for BLM the movement. BLM the riots are currently razing entire city districts on a nightly basis. Before you can even THINK to deal with one, you MUST deal with the other.

And I don't think you can. I doubt there's anyone in BLM still that could stop it. The BLM leaders could come out today and tell people this isn't working. In fact I believe they have. And the news will find another story of a police incident gone wrong, spin it in some way to make the police look bad and that'll be all that needed to kick off another night of riots. I'm all for the non-violent protests of the athletes but the sad fact is that I believe your cause is lost. For now, at least.

Burn wrote:Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

This hurts my feelings. I came to Siebertron to talk Transformers, I'm a collector and posted elsewhere what I'm looking for.

Rodimus Prime wrote:None of them. Socialism (in ALL its forms) and communism are failures outright. Capitalism is better but it can definitely be improved on. The lack of regulations on parts of it is what leads to economic and societal inequality, keeping people who work hard from rising up and having a better quality of life, while some of those who come from old money keep on cheating and manipulating the system because they can. Once in a while we have someone who either gets lucky or comes up with an idea that will make that person wealthy. That's the good part. But then more often than not that person becomes one of the 'elite' and forgets wheres/he came from once that power through wealth is acquired. It is yet another thing the Constitution is supposedly protecting us against. Everyone should have a fair chance in our legal system, yet corruption is rampant. Same goes for the industrial sector, but that can't be blamed on the inadequities of the Constitution itself, just on the inadequities of those tasked with interpreting and enforcing it.

Shadowkatt wrote:I was going to make a long post with a point by point refutation like I did the last time, but firstly, that's a lot of work, and secondly, I don't think that's necessary. I don't think you have a problem with the constitution. You just have a problem with the people that used it.
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Bingo. He's just butt hurt all peoples(cultures) weren't included in forging a new Country. Drinking all that Kool-Aid of peaceful Natives who were pushed off their lands. Our Founders wanted to smoke'm peace pipe and do a pow wow but the other side were too busy raiding, raping and killing babies the day the Constitution was being written.

The "stolen land" narrative need to stop indeed. BPS explain it very well.



Also, the "peace loving hippie Native" stereotype is pretty racist.
Natives were flawed humans just like everyone else.

Truthstar9 wrote:

ShadowKatt wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:None of them. Socialism (in ALL its forms) and communism are failures outright. Capitalism is better but it can definitely be improved on. The lack of regulations on parts of it is what leads to economic and societal inequality, keeping people who work hard from rising up and having a better quality of life, while some of those who come from old money keep on cheating and manipulating the system because they can. Once in a while we have someone who either gets lucky or comes up with an idea that will make that person wealthy. That's the good part. But then more often than not that person becomes one of the 'elite' and forgets wheres/he came from once that power through wealth is acquired. It is yet another thing the Constitution is supposedly protecting us against. Everyone should have a fair chance in our legal system, yet corruption is rampant. Same goes for the industrial sector, but that can't be blamed on the inadequities of the Constitution itself, just on the inadequities of those tasked with interpreting and enforcing it.

I was going to make a long post with a point by point refutation like I did the last time, but firstly, that's a lot of work, and secondly, I don't think that's necessary. I don't think you have a problem with the constitution. You just have a problem with the people that used it.

Bingo. He's just butt hurt all peoples(cultures) weren't included in forging a new Country. Drinking all that Kool-Aid of peaceful Natives who were pushed off their lands. Our Founders wanted to smoke'm peace pipe and do a pow wow but the other side were too busy raiding, raping and killing babies the day the Constitution was being written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMWPP-vXzhQ

First of all, careful with your quotes. If you want someone to take you seriously, gotta look the part.

Secondly, accusing someone of "just drinking the kool-aid" is not a compelling arguement. You can do better than this.

Thirdly, and I believe I've already told Karanbat this, but posting videos does not an arguement make. You can source them, but don't rely on them to make your arguements for you.

ShadowKatt wrote:
Thirdly, and I believe I've already told Karanbat this, but posting videos does not an arguement make. You can source them, but don't rely on them to make your arguements for you.

And why not? If I want to talk specific points about the lions in the Savannah, should I fly to Africa to make the research myself, or can I just leave it to a pro who have already done all the work?
Especially when the video I posted is a well made documentary with high production values.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ShadowKatt wrote:
Thirdly, and I believe I've already told Karanbat this, but posting videos does not an arguement make. You can source them, but don't rely on them to make your arguements for you.

And why not? If I want to talk specific points about the lions in the Savannah, should I fly to Africa to make the research myself, or can I just leave it to a pro who have already done all the work?

And if I wanted to make a presentation on african lions, I wouldn't take a field report from someone that did safari in Africa, drop it on the table and say "There's my presentation" and walk away. Again, you want to use a video, that's fine, link to the video as well, but pull the main points out of it and present them instead of posting the video and expecting other people to dig for them because, spoiler, they're not going to.

If you want to make an arguement, and this is something every debater knows, you not only have to bring your points but you have to spoon feed them to your opponent like bad medicine. If you just leave it sit there they're not going to take it.

I can say the same with your EPIC WALLS OF TEXT you and many others are posting.

You don't want to click a video to get facts and logic, that's fine. But I'm not going to read pages of essays either.

Burn wrote:Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

Shadowkatt wrote:If he's insulted someone and you want to call him out on it, warn him, whatever, you do that. That's your job. But you are not the arbiter of where someone can or must go on the site and it is wholly inappropriate for you to even ask where or whether they will go. The forums are not exclusive to or restricted from certain members. You are a mod, not the archangel of justice, and I will be here to remind you of that.

Though I'm still trying to refrain from commenting in this thread, Since there for a while it was more toxic then Chernobyl on your average Thursday, I think what Burn may be referring to (or continuing off of, Really) was a thread posted by someone who'd just gotten over COVID, Who was drinking and depressed over the pandemic, And Truthstar just showed up and started ranting and insulting the poor guy while drowning him in an unrelenting swarm of politics. He's been pretty much doing the same thing here. And everything I've seen posted of his was political, Even on threads that weren't. I assume Burn is asking (though it may've been worded a little better) if he's going to interact with the community in any meaningful way, Or just keep dragging politics (kicking and screaming) into everything.

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:

Burn wrote:

ShadowKatt wrote:Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

If he's insulted someone and you want to call him out on it, warn him, whatever, you do that. That's your job. But you are not the arbiter of where someone can or must go on the site and it is wholly inappropriate for you to even ask where or whether they will go. The forums are not exclusive to or restricted from certain members. You are a mod, not the archangel of justice, and I will be here to remind you of that.

Though I'm still trying to refrain from commenting in this thread, Since there for a while it was more toxic then Chernobyl on your average Thursday, I think what Burn may be referring to (or continuing off of, Really) was a thread posted by someone who'd just gotten over COVID, Who was drinking and depressed over the pandemic, And Truthstar just showed up and started ranting and insulting the poor guy while drowning him in an unrelenting swarm of politics. He's been pretty much doing the same thing here. And everything I've seen posted of his was political, Even on threads that weren't. I assume Burn is asking (though it may've been worded a little better) if he's going to interact with the community in any meaningful way, Or just keep dragging politics (kicking and screaming) into everything.

That may be the case but I'm going to stand by what I said about it being an inappropriate question and insinuation. Now, I was gone for a while and I know some things have changed. I noticed that the ENTIRE R&P forum is gone and there are new rules about R&P on the boards. Dunno what happened, dunno the exact extent of the changes, but if he's breaking a rule by bringing it into other threads, then mod action needed. That still doesn't justify the answer demanded, even less so from a mod given the position of authority and responsibility.

Edit: By the way, this thread is still more toxic than Chernobyl and you should probably get yourself checked, yeah...

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:

Burn wrote:

ShadowKatt wrote:Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

If he's insulted someone and you want to call him out on it, warn him, whatever, you do that. That's your job. But you are not the arbiter of where someone can or must go on the site and it is wholly inappropriate for you to even ask where or whether they will go. The forums are not exclusive to or restricted from certain members. You are a mod, not the archangel of justice, and I will be here to remind you of that.

Though I'm still trying to refrain from commenting in this thread, Since there for a while it was more toxic then Chernobyl on your average Thursday, I think what Burn may be referring to (or continuing off of, Really) was a thread posted by someone who'd just gotten over COVID, Who was drinking and depressed over the pandemic, And Truthstar just showed up and started ranting and insulting the poor guy while drowning him in an unrelenting swarm of politics. He's been pretty much doing the same thing here. And everything I've seen posted of his was political, Even on threads that weren't. I assume Burn is asking (though it may've been worded a little better) if he's going to interact with the community in any meaningful way, Or just keep dragging politics (kicking and screaming) into everything.

I don't recall dragging politics into my post for collectibles to buy.

The forum admin approved my post. If he had problem with it, he didn't have to push it through.

Wow, this thread is really going off the rails today. In case anyone stumbles upon this thread and wonders what's wrong with Transformers fans, I'd like to present an alternative.

Black lives matter.
It would be nice if (some) police stopped trying to kill people for not following directions.
The US government mistreated the Native population ... not sure why that came up in BLM, but okay.
I guess I'll add that genocide is not a good thing in general.
The covid pandemic is real and has actual verifiable harms. We know well over a hundred thousand have died in the US alone.
Masks work to limit spread of the virus. Did someone say masks don't work? Maybe I'm just misremembering.

In my personal opinion, I think it would be good if we could stay on topic and focus on the first couple of things, but there are a lot of other people trying to make this a catch-all for whatever they're talking about over at Gab or /pol.

My part of the conversation was in regards to the ineffectiveness of parts of the Constitution, which has directly contributed to the recent and present circumstances that resulted in the phrase 'black lives matter' being part of every day conversation. It was in response to the post "but teh Constitution!" made by someone else who doesn't get the concept of a debate. ShadowKatt and I had a good exchange about it and I think contributed to the topic.

ShadowKatt wrote:

-WonkoTheSane- wrote:

Burn wrote:

ShadowKatt wrote:Okay, enough with the insults.
Truthstar9, are you on this site to discuss JUST politics or are you planning to engage in other parts of the forums as well?

If he's insulted someone and you want to call him out on it, warn him, whatever, you do that. That's your job. But you are not the arbiter of where someone can or must go on the site and it is wholly inappropriate for you to even ask where or whether they will go. The forums are not exclusive to or restricted from certain members. You are a mod, not the archangel of justice, and I will be here to remind you of that.

Though I'm still trying to refrain from commenting in this thread, Since there for a while it was more toxic then Chernobyl on your average Thursday, I think what Burn may be referring to (or continuing off of, Really) was a thread posted by someone who'd just gotten over COVID, Who was drinking and depressed over the pandemic, And Truthstar just showed up and started ranting and insulting the poor guy while drowning him in an unrelenting swarm of politics. He's been pretty much doing the same thing here. And everything I've seen posted of his was political, Even on threads that weren't. I assume Burn is asking (though it may've been worded a little better) if he's going to interact with the community in any meaningful way, Or just keep dragging politics (kicking and screaming) into everything.

That may be the case but I'm going to stand by what I said about it being an inappropriate question and insinuation. Now, I was gone for a while and I know some things have changed. I noticed that the ENTIRE R&P forum is gone and there are new rules about R&P on the boards. Dunno what happened, dunno the exact extent of the changes, but if he's breaking a rule by bringing it into other threads, then mod action needed. That still doesn't justify the answer demanded, even less so from a mod given the position of authority and responsibility.

Edit: By the way, this thread is still more toxic than Chernobyl and you should probably get yourself checked, yeah...

Not that I, or any staff member, should have to explain themselves, but you're not privvy to the full story. You're not aware of reported messages, you're not aware of warnings issued, you're not aware of staff only discussions.

From what we (the staff) have seen, a few people seem to only visit these forums for this thread. WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. BUT, if you're going to concentrate the majority of your time in one thread whilst also throwing about insults (which you'll find is actually against the forum rules) then yes, we're going to ask what their intentions are.

I've said it in the past, we've been INCREDIBLY lenient in regards to this thread, but eventually we will have to draw a line, and if someone is only going to come to this site and make posts which insult and belittle people, then yes, we will take action and do what we feel is necessary.