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so...Dead Metal, the following is also a KO then to you?

njb902 wrote:Does it count as a KO if the factory/s that made the initial run make more of them than HasTak ordered and just sell them for their own profit? I would be willing to bet this happens a lot myself.

I'd say it does, as it's produced and sold without Hasbro's or TakaraTomy's consent. That's the catch.

And import status does not change the status of the product, be it genuine (like that Megatron Darkness) or the supposed Sideswipe KO with the Tigertrack head.

DreadstarCybph wrote:so...Dead Metal, the following is also a KO then to you?

We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.

Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.

Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.

There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.

Dead Metal wrote:

DreadstarCybph wrote:so...Dead Metal, the following is also a KO then to you?

We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.

Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.

Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.

There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.

aka backdoor importation? Got it!

Hobby shops? its more likely Hasbro.CN bought TF products from TakaraTomy, slaps their company info and release them to the local Chinese market rather than hobby shops who did the sticker thing. With Toy Hobby Shops, none of the owners would dare slap such an ugly info sticker on their Mona Lisa japan imports. Their customers would hit them on the spot

Heck, years ago , Takara-Tomy imported Hasbro's version MP Starscream (g1 deco'ed weathered look) and slaps their sticker for mass release on retail for the Japanese Market. Similar also, with what they did on with the Hasbro Human Alliance line of bayformers. They just slap their company sticker on the Hasbro packaging and that's their official release. So....there's is really no need for Hasbro.cn to create their own box for regular items. "Its being cost effective."

Btw, does anybody know how to create a proxy to make servers think you're in China? I think its the only way to have access to Hasbro.CN website. If MP12 is listed on their site. Lingering doubts resolved for many.

just expressing my thoughts in the matter.

DreadstarCybph wrote:Some people see this and immediately shouts its a ko because its from China. Pic is taken from Taobao. Actually, I believe some Chinese sellers at Taobao think the acronym "KO" is identified as China and not what it connotes -> a Knock Off fakery .

Are you saying that "KO" is a two letter code that means China? That would be absolutely hilarious if it was true, but I doubt it. China two letter code is CN.

fenrir72 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

DreadstarCybph wrote:so...Dead Metal, the following is also a KO then to you?

We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.

Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.

Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.

There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.

aka backdoor importation? Got it!

ooooh... sounds painful.

lol. Not saying that chinese people in China think their internet code is the acronym ko. but rather some chinese sellers think ko means china in the toy collecting world.

Would you believe that a lot of chinese people believe that there are no natural blondes in the world? Thats its all hair dye ? Its true. You should've seen my face when my 30 year old cousin said it.

Stormrider wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

DreadstarCybph wrote:so...Dead Metal, the following is also a KO then to you?

We already told you that that's an import, likely imported by one of the hardcore collector's stores I told you about.
Import does not equal different edition.

Just like my imported US comics aren't German market editions.

Takara does not produce for the Chinese market, the Chinese market is Hasbro's territory. Takara produces for the Japanese market and the Japanese market only.

There is another really easy way to tell that this is not a Chinese release, and it's again to do with the box, where it for the Chinese market the test would be in CHINESE, but it's not, it's in Japanese, since it's supposed to look like the real deal to fool people into buying it.

aka backdoor importation? Got it!

ooooh... sounds painful.

i know

DreadstarCybph wrote:Hobby shops? its more likely Hasbro.CN bought TF products from TakaraTomy, slaps their company info and release them to the local Chinese market rather than hobby shops who did the sticker thing. With Toy Hobby Shops, none of the owners would dare slap such an ugly info sticker on their Mona Lisa japan imports. Their customers would hit them on the spot

Heck, years ago , Takara-Tomy imported Hasbro's version MP Starscream (g1 deco'ed weathered look) and slaps their sticker for mass release on retail for the Japanese Market. Similar also, with what they did on with the Hasbro Human Alliance line of bayformers. They just slap their company sticker on the Hasbro packaging and that's their official release. So....there's is really no need for Hasbro.cn to create their own box for regular items. "Its being cost effective."

Btw, does anybody know how to create a proxy to make servers think you're in China? I think its the only way to have access to Hasbro.CN website. If MP12 is listed on their site. Lingering doubts resolved for many.

Still an import and not a special Chinese Market release like you constantly go on about it. And again, if Lambor would be officially released in China, be it through direct release or official Hasbro import, we would have known about it. Chinese fans would have reported it already and the site would have already posted front page news.

This has all the signs of a "high quality" KO, even down to using the remold's head, that ofthen happens when a toy is super successful and the repaint/ remold is made, soon after that a KO shows up that's based on the repaint/ remold, but done up to look like the old expensive version and then sold as such.

Dead Metal wrote:Still an import and not a special Chinese Market release like you constantly go on about it.

never said it was special run for the chinese market dude. I kept saying its a regular release within mainland china .

Dead Metal wrote:And again, if Lambor would be officially released in China, be it through direct release or official Hasbro import, we would have known about it. Chinese fans would have reported it already and the site would have already posted front page news.

Should I then honestly think that fan sites have complete knowledge on what and when items that are or were released by Hasbro or TakaraTomy, or any of their daughter companies for their particular local market? The fact that TFP AM line was released in the local chinese market was not reported at any fan sites.

Lets me sum up what I posted so far:

1.concluded that most likely, the supposed ko of mp12 are actually made by the same factory which is releasing the items (be it extra runs, rejects) illegally.

2.when asked to reveal what are my source, I posted that I do buy stuff online from reputable online sites . I also replied I can read chinese and I just followed the trail over at actoys and it led me to Taobao. From observation to direct inquiry, I was dumbfounded that some (not all) Taobao sellers think KO means china and not counterfeit.

3. was just informing you guys that Hasbro.CN is into not only "Hasbro" but also TakaraTomy imports and releasing the Takara Tomy stuff into mass retail. Chinese law requires to state who makes/imports and where the item comes from. Hence the ugly stickers.




4. from the manufacturing stand point and not from the collectors (who needs everything and likes to be as accurate as ever) stand point. I can see the cost effectiveness of just having extra red alert / tiger tracks heads made while it was into production.

Look DeadMetal, and readers. I'm not denying there are indeed companies that make class a KOs of TFs or counterfeit third party products. But have you taken into consideration of the latest news to hit the TF forums around the world?

1. News of a 2nd run and that a suppose KO run of MP 12 came almost at the breath of each other. - I find it too coincidental.

2. News of online sites, Reputable and popular ones, came out that they suddenly have restocks or coming in restocks of official TakaraTomy MP 12 sideswipe (which are reported here in siebertron as well) . that this incredible restocks just came also at the heals of yet again - just recent taobao listings. If anybody is into online selling and retailing, think about the lead time from the local market to the international online market . It fits.

I do know one thing for sure. Both sides ,in regards to those who have an opinion like DeadMetal and those who have similar thoughts like mine, are shaking their heads why the other is so thick headed. Lets just respect each others beliefs . At the end of the day, we get to decide and use our own money anyway. If you are buying an MP 12 that is too cheap and way below the market value, it might be stolen goods or much worst, a rejected contaminated goods. The operative word is be cautious. Ask before you buy.

Btw - I purchased at taobao 1 of those with hasbro.com.cn stickers for 400 yuan and another one (title is ko, no sticker at the back) from a different seller who selling it at 160 yuan. Both listed the item as KO MP 12. Shipping time from China to Philippines 10 days via China post.

Still trying to find a way to use a proxy address and get into Hasbro.com.cn.

DreadstarCybph wrote:Look DeadMetal, and readers. I'm not denying there are indeed companies that make class a KOs of TFs or counterfeit third party products. But have you taken into consideration of the latest news to hit the TF forums around the world?

1. News of a 2nd run and that a suppose KO run of MP 12 came almost at the breath of each other. - I find it too coincidental.

2. News of online sites, Reputable and popular ones, came out that they suddenly have restocks or coming in restocks of official TakaraTomy MP 12 sideswipe (which are reported here in siebertron as well) . that this incredible restocks just came also at the heals of yet again - just recent taobao listings. If anybody is into online selling and retailing, think about the lead time from the local market to the international online market . It fits.

I too find it a little curious; that's why I was wondering if Takara had a website or a news feed that could confirm a second production run. None of the Japanese retailers have re listed the MP-12 yet.

This isn't going anywhere, as neither side seems to want to budge. So, I'll just wait this out, maybe someone in Japan should ask TakaraTomy directly about the matter, or someone in China can do the same to Hasbro.

I have a pal who owns an online toy store. I see a lot of deliveries he receives from various toy companies. Bandai, Mattel, Kot, Megahouse, Tomy,Hasbro etc) If that MP-12 comes out in an official Hasbro box(the brown carton type emblazoned in the purple colored fonts )then its official. If its an Asian exclusive/China exclusive whatever then sooner or later there'll be an announcement or two. We'll hear it at Tao bao or something. If not, then maybe Hasbro is scrimping on the advertisement media spin doohickey.

No need to loose sleep over it brothers and sisters.

DreadstarCybph wrote:killing gigantic wall of text

OK, lets do this
Concerning using the heads of another toy for a rerelease of a toy:
Nope, never going to happen, well it does sometimes, but those are thrown out into the QC bin, since they shockingly don't pass.
The head is part oft he mold, which means for every Sideswipe made, there is a Sideswipe head, likely even a Red Alert head (and all Red Alert parts, since both where designed at the same time and it's cheaper to make them part of the same mold and just throw out the unnecessary parts than to make a whole new mold for a slight remold). So yes, Takara's factories (since it's their factories that do all the toys, even for Hasbro's TFs) do have extra Tigertrack heads, since you know the Tigertrack head is made out of parts of both Sideswipe and Red Alert heads, those parts are thrown out since they aren't needed. And no, a factory will not just put the wrong head on because they ran out of the right heads, since you know, they have the same amount of Sideswipe heads as they have Sideswipe bodies, and if they put on the wrong head, they would have to throw it away which costs both money and reputation.

Yes, there is news of a second run of Sideswipes, that are out by the end of this year/ beginning of next year. These however are slated to be out soon.
Check out the thread at tfw, notice the line about all mentions of "KO" having been removed, and how it was also revealed by the source that revealed a previous KO? "Weibo is a Chinese blogging tool, so weibo is not meant as the source, but the owner of that particular weibo blog).
Then we have this pre-order here:
http://x2otoys.com/goods.php?id=135
It's listed as KO, but also as manufacturer TakaraTomy, so that might be confusing, however the store has posted this handy little gallery on FaceBook
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 314&type=1
Yes that is a store that sells the KO, but also tells you the difference between the two.

It's days like this that I wish KOToys still existed, since then we would have it directly from the KO insiders.

Oh and this would have been reported by Chinese fans, simply due to the fact that it would have been an official Chinese release of an MP figure by Takara, which is kinda a big deal. Also, a big deal of them are insiders, since they know people who slave away in the factories that make the toys, or are in more "prolific positions", that is called insider information and is one of the nice little things you get to enjoy when you own a large TF fansite, or work for one as a news mod.

Oh and stores can also get burned by KOs like this one here that pretend to be the real deal: (check out the name of the news mod there )
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... -ko/14797/

So yes, this here is a KO, there are legit ones on the way, but this topic here is about the KO, which is confirmed by one of the stores that sells it.

so yes, I do know what the hell I'm talking about and it's not my "opinion", if you want to throw your weight around and want to be sucked up to for your "way of thinking" you can go back to the forum you moderate.

Dead Metal (that's the way it's phrased by the way) out

Dead Metal. You're getting way too personal. Stick to the subject at hand. Disengage and approach the topic objectively without telling the other go back where you came from and all other nasty stuff. Can we agree with that? Am not a moderator at any board. Both of us are both stating what we believe as facts and just sharing our knowledge in the matter to benefit the readers.

Yes. Reputable stores do get burned when they accidentally sell a KO as an original. Nobody denies that Metroplex was Ko'ed long before the encore one was released. So the encore thing with Metroplex is highly feasible had been proven true when it got caught.

You got confirmation from one online store in Malaysia, that sells 3rd party toys that there is a knock off MP12 available in China. fine. I said illegals exist did I not? As in, most likely , manufactured and released by the same factory without permission and knowledge from the license or IP owner. What is so wrong with that statement that got to your nerves? Should we actually think that the contracted factory that is producing mp12 ,tell their buyers of the extra run, unlicensed ones, that we are the same ones producing the real ones too?

Request : Can you please ask your Malaysian source if he can research on MP12, if it had been official release for retail by Hasbro.CN ? He has access to weibo. I don't. That would be valuable info.

You don't believe there is a retail release of MP12 in the Chinese market. If it had, it would had been reported at inland Chinese fan sites because its a big thing. That is a valid point of contention. Hence the above request.

I'm miffed also at the 160 yuan (full item price)at taobao. Its about $25 to $26 USD. Your Malaysian seller/source is at 135RMB, converted roughly at the $42 to $43 USD price range . Its logical that the Malaysian store probably bought a similar 160 yuan ko mp12 from their source, add the shipping cost and the mark up , it fits his retail pricing.

160 yuan pricing fits the pricing of an illegal toy (ko'ed or otherwise). 1/3rd is the standard based on the Ko'ed BT Skids, Ko'ed Hasbro DVD MP Prime, Ko'ed Binaltechs/Alternators and so on.

The site you directed us to also give a description that the KO MP 12 is lighter and feels cheap. I'll just weigh it then.

I'll reveal what I can here once my orders for the ko mp12 arrives.

DreadstarCybph wrote:I reveal what I can here once my orders for the ko mp12 arrives.

I guess that will be the real test and I would be interested in what you find.

DreadstarCybph wrote:Dead Metal. You're getting way too personal. Stick to the subject at hand. Disengage and approach the topic objectively without telling the other go back where you came from and all other nasty stuff. Can we agree with that? Am not a moderator at any board. Both of us are both stating what we believe as facts and just sharing our knowledge in the matter to benefit the readers.

Yes. Reputable stores do get burned when they accidentally sell a KO as an original. Nobody denies that Metroplex was Ko'ed long before the encore one was released. So the encore thing with Metroplex is highly feasible had been proven true when it got caught.

You got confirmation from one online store in Malaysia, that sells 3rd party toys that there is a knock off MP12 available in China. fine. I said illegals exist did I not? As in, most likely , manufactured and released by the same factory without permission and knowledge from the license or IP owner. What is so wrong with that statement that got to your nerves? Should we actually think that the contracted factory that is producing mp12 ,tell their buyers of the extra run, unlicensed ones, that we are the same ones producing the real ones too?

Request : Can you please ask your Malaysian source if he can research on MP12, if it had been official release for retail by Hasbro.CN ? He has access to weibo. I don't. That would be valuable info.

You don't believe there is a retail release of MP12 in the Chinese market. If it had, it would had been reported at inland Chinese fan sites because its a big thing. That is a valid point of contention. Hence the above request.

I'm miffed also at the 160 yuan (full item price)at taobao. Its about $25 to $26 USD. Your Malaysian seller/source is at 135RMB, converted roughly at the $42 to $43 USD price range . Its logical that the Malaysian store probably bought a similar 160 yuan ko mp12 from their source, add the shipping cost and the mark up , it fits his retail pricing.

160 yuan pricing fits the pricing of an illegal toy (ko'ed or otherwise). 1/3rd is the standard based on the Ko'ed BT Skids, Ko'ed Hasbro DVD MP Prime, Ko'ed Binaltechs/Alternators and so on.

The site you directed us to also give a description that the KO MP 12 is lighter and feels cheap. I'll just weigh it then.

I'll reveal what I can here once my orders for the ko mp12 arrives.

No, you should stick at the topic at and, you are the one who constantly goes on how this isn't about a KO but an official toy.
The topic was a warning about the KO, then you come in and start arguing that it's not a KO.

So far the only side to have brought up proof of their argument is me and the rest of the experienced members who've seen this so many times before. You just come with "my research" and your misunderstood terms.

In this thread we have 3 pictorial comparisons of the KO and the original, you just have your opinion.

It's time you provided proof, you know like we did, until you do that you're nothing than an annoying clown.

If you didn't want my response to be personal, you shouldn't have started to make it personal - so deal with it.

It's a KO, it's sold as "Chinese Edition", it's of lower quality, it's not based on the actual Sideswipe, the box has the typical errors that all the high quality KOs have, it's been reported by KO insiders.

Doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

And thus I have nothing else to say, since you know there is nothing more that can come from this.

People just have to review who posted what in the previous pages to decide who makes more sense for themselves in regards to the illegal MP 12.

DreadstarCybph wrote:People just have to review who posted what in the previous pages to decide who makes more sense for themselves in regards to the illegal MP 12.

No offense, but your the only one not making "sense" in this thread. As Dead Metal said, all you need to do is provide some proof of what you're saying and everything would be fine. No one is going to take your word for it while all evidence is pointing in the opposite direction, so please just show us the proof or accept that people aren't going to believe what you're saying.

Arctorro wrote:

DreadstarCybph wrote:People just have to review who posted what in the previous pages to decide who makes more sense for themselves in regards to the illegal MP 12.

No offense, but your the only one not making "sense" in this thread. As Dead Metal said, all you need to do is provide some proof of what you're saying and everything would be fine. No one is going to take your word for it while all evidence is pointing in the opposite direction, so please just show us the proof or accept that people aren't going to believe what you're saying.

I second that. Its getting waaaaaaaay too confusing. DM sez its a KO, the other dude sez its just a running variant/change in the mold. The former has presented several instances to back his statements, though there were occasions in the early 90(as I previously mentioned)of having a "for China only" TF G1 releases. Those G1 figs had a running change where it only sported a Hasbro logo with the Takara blotted out. The quality of those releases ranged from excellent to some looking like the master mold had seen better days. I should know 'cause I own several Headmasters (not the "Jr." Headmasters mind you). The latter, well aside from cellphone references and the occasional "backdoor" imports , well that's it. Now asking for a confirmation from DM then sez.....its getting confusing indeed.


This is going nowhere. The gist of the article if I understand it correctly, is to warn people of the attempts(?) by unscrupulous merchants to hornswaggle buyers with this turd(?). That be good. Unless Tomy's scheduled 2nd pressing is revealed to also possess the same features of this so called "variant"/improvement then we should just considering putting this item at arms length unless owning a KO doesn't bother you. End of story. Peace.

So you guys honestly think Takara Tomy doing nothing in China and that Hasbro.CN is the main mover and should be doing this and that? And that, there is no possibility that MP12 is released at regular retail plus Dead Metal info from an online source located inside Malaysia and not in mainland China is satisfactory.

please read the following:

http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/com ... ochure.pdf - Special emphasis should be considered on the globalization part.

http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/ir/financia ... al_all.pdf -

Here's the significant part on page 8:

What is the potential for the
Transformers
?
In addition to the U.S. and European markets, we will
develop the brand further in Asia, primarily focused on
China, with various media franchises including an animated
TV series, online games, video games and applications
based on the brand power that we have created to date.

those nay sayers will now point out that nowhere in the report it says MP12 is coming out in China, as well as other MPs. I already posted that the TakaraTomy TFP AM series stuff is being sold in mainland China. So if that line is being sold there and it didn't even cause a blip in the news radar, the chances of MP stuff is high as well.

AGAIN REPEATING : Not saying, there is no KO (ILLEGAL)MP12. just saying there might be official ones release for mass market as well as KO ones in the chinese market.

DreadstarCybph wrote:So you guys honestly think Takara Tomy doing nothing in China and that Hasbro.CN is the main mover and should be doing this and that? And that, there is no possibility that MP12 is released at regular retail plus Dead Metal info from an online source located inside Malaysia and not in mainland China is satisfactory.

please read the following:

http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/com ... ochure.pdf - Special emphasis should be considered on the globalization part.

http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/ir/financia ... al_all.pdf -

Here's the significant part on page 8:

What is the potential for the
Transformers
?
In addition to the U.S. and European markets, we will
develop the brand further in Asia, primarily focused on
China, with various media franchises including an animated
TV series, online games, video games and applications
based on the brand power that we have created to date.

those nay sayers will now point out that nowhere in the report it says MP12 is coming out in China, as well as other MPs. I already posted that the TakaraTomy TFP AM series stuff is being sold in mainland China. So if that line is being sold there and it didn't even cause a blip in the news radar, the chances of MP stuff is high as well.

AGAIN REPEATING : Not saying, there is no KO MP12. just saying there might be official ones as well as KO ones in the chinese market.

Yes, very amusing indeed, that's all you're doing, amusing me with your desperate attempts of proving your views.
But it's starting to bore me, this goes nowhere and eventually even the funniest joke becomes tedious. So lets do this one final time to let the joke go out with a bang.


Looks like you should review posts before posting.
TakaraTomy works together with Hasbro on Transformers, TakTomy has the Japanese business, while Hasbro has basically the rest of the world. That is their development of the brand in China, the same things they've been doing for the past 30 years.
Because if you stopped and actually thought about that little titbit of information, you would realize that it does not say they're going to take the Chinese Market, because if it meant that, it would also mean that they have the US and European market when it comes to Transformers.
And again, the Tak Prime stuff in China, are imports not specially made Chinese Market editions.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE: I live in Germany, over here Panini Comics has the license to sell Marvel Comics comics, they are the only official publisher to make official German edition Marvel Comics comics. However, I buy imported original comics through my comic local comic store, who gets them from a professional import company, that does not make my Superior Spider-Man comics special "German Market Editions by Marvel Comics", it just makes them imports.

There is also the nice little thing about that pdf being from March 2012, about the business year that started in March 2011 and ended in March 2012, the online game is Transformers Universe (which is dead), and the TV show is likely Prime, both of which, Takara has the same kind of involvement in as it has in all other TF markets - they get money from the fact that they own half of the brand.

And yes, that is satisfactory, because that store deals with the KO company directly and has actually had a sample in hand, they also sell official Tak and Hasbro stuff, along with 3rd Party stuff.
Adding to that, the original reveal came from weibo, which you might remember me explaining to you, is a CHINESE blogging system, that can only be accessed and used by CHINESE people, we've gotten 3rd Party and KO reveals from there before.


This is the last reply, or in your special case, lesson you'll get from me. Don't even bother replying before you have actual evidence of the topic not being about a KO but of that "magical Chinese market Sideswipe" you keep going on about. Because as you've noticed, nobody believes or cares about your unfounded inane "way of thinking".

Guten Tag.

Dead Metal wrote:Yes, very amusing indeed,

said the guy who in an earlier post said that's his last say in the matter. ^_^ lol

Dead Metal wrote:Looks like you should review posts before posting.
TakaraTomy works together with Hasbro on Transformers, TakTomy has the Japanese business, while Hasbro has basically the rest of the world. That is their development of the brand in China, the same things they've been doing for the past 30 years.
Because if you stopped and actually thought about that little titbit of information, you would realize that it does not say they're going to take the Chinese Market, because if it meant that, it would also mean that they have the US and European market when it comes to Transformers.

In this Modern age, To actually think that a giant American company can hold back and limit its Giant Japanese partners in an area's where they want to expand their own influence, shows how much you know about globalization and the potential inside the mainland Chinese market.

Dead Metal wrote:And again, the Tak Prime stuff in China, are imports not specially made Chinese Market editions.

You seem to be harping this over and over again. I never wrote or posted that those items were "specially" made market editions. Your the one who said - if they were, they would have a new box with chinese words on it.

I kept saying, Retail mass market release. And it means "it is not special in anyway". It only means that a certain percentage was set aside in the production that was meant to be released in the Mainland Chinese retail market scene.

Dead Metal wrote:And yes, that is satisfactory, because that store deals with the KO company directly and has actually had a sample in hand, they also sell official Tak and Hasbro stuff, along with 3rd Party stuff.

I checked their website over and over again. The license hasbro, takara tomy stuff are at a minimal. They have the KO already in their hand, fine. They are selling it okay. That means that your Malaysian source is now liable for selling counterfeit goods. And if the item is stolen, can be liable for fencing stolen goods. Hasbro Singapore is just a Bus ride away. They won't get into trouble for selling 3rd party products that have original toy designs but I'm quite sure they'll be in trouble for selling unlicensed goods.

Dead Metal wrote:Adding to that, the original reveal came from weibo, which you might remember me explaining to you, is a CHINESE blogging system, that can only be accessed and used by CHINESE people, we've gotten 3rd Party and KO reveals from there before.

I just learned how to proxy server and made the chinese servers think I'm in china. I can now access weibo, qq and everything else at ease. However - trying to access seibertron, google, yahoo, and the rest of the regular stuff while using that proxy address is hard. The chinese government censorship is really tight.

Dead Metal - there is no denying that you guys got good news on those sites and more importantly relevant news that is important to all collectors. If you have the KO MP 12 on hand and you did the actual report. I'll believe because we are talking first hand accounts from a guy who can write and understand english. Plus you have a rep history already. You can confirm 1st hand the smell, weight and quality.


Things I think about that Death Metal and the rest will also laugh at...

We are talking about a Class A potential knock of MP sideswipe that needs to be scrutinized harder. What if...A certain portion of the TakaraTomy MP 12 sideswipe was indeed set aside for the Chinese market and its just being release recently. What if the KO sideswipe is an intentional release to mix up the entire market. They try to dampen down the demand then they hoard a significant amount of the real stuff to sell it at a higher price point later?

I read the Financial report. and I'm old enough to know that after media blitz is product flooding. Have you seen their target for 2015? $30 billion dollars in sales. That's their internal goal. Not Hasbro's goal, but TakaraTomy . Takara Tomy - will be putting everything they have in a nation where a majority of the billion plus population spoils their 1 and only son.

Dead Metal wrote:This is the last reply, or in your special case, lesson you'll get from me. Don't even bother replying before you have actual evidence of the topic not being about a KO but of that "magical Chinese market Sideswipe" you keep going on about. Because as you've noticed, nobody believes or cares about your unfounded inane "way of thinking".

2 people and you, perhaps more. You guys are not all of fandom. Quit claiming you speak for the rest of the fandom. Go get the so call "ko" like me. Scrutinize it. Both the one with the Hasbro.cn sticker and the cheap one your source is selling at 135 rmb. That would prove your case beyond a shadow of a doubt. Then make a first hand official review. I already said , your viewpoint on why the chinese fan site is not making a fuss about MP12 retail release is a valid point.

telling people to go back where they came from, a clown and inane way of thinking shows how much emotional involve you are. discussion like those ends up usually ugly.

1 last thing. I do follow ups not for the sake of proving my point but to get more info .

Disengage dude. and chill.

Until I get those 2pcs of mp 12 I ordered at Taobao, I'll stop posting rebuttals to your rebuttals Death Metal.


a good day to you too Death Metal.