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Allso in the Return of Optimus Prime they say they need a Quentison to bring Optimus back to life because he was originally built by the Quints and they revived him once before.

As far as the rest of the series before that is concerned Alpha Trion was the one who built Optimus Prime from a damaged Orian Pax not the Quints. Now if you wanna try to convince me the Quints built Orian then that means what? Optimus was killed and revived in the series 3 times. Twice by the quints and once by Alpha Trion.

And Beast Wars talked about Starscream's ivulnerable spark, what about Optimus? Starscream's only been killed twice and resurected once.

Orion Pax was built by Quintesson Machines, thus through that he is considered Qintesson Property, by their standards. He was revived the first time in Dark Awakening, where the Quintesson used his zombie form to get Rodimus to hand over the Matrix. Which worked...=_= (Idiot!) Anyway, he was then killed apparently by the quintesson, but that was either reconned or changed, becuase in RoOP he's better and just dead, no life. That's when Skylynx got the Quint to fix him.

So in total

Orion Pax -built by the Quintesson, mortally wounded by Megatron. Rebuilt by Alpha Trion.

Optimus Prime -built by Alpha trion, killed by Megatron. Revived by the Quintesson, killed again trying to save everyone, retrieved by Jessica Morgan, revived by the Quintesson.

So he techinically died twice, and was revived from death or near death three times.

Wait just remembered, nearly killed by Megatron in Heavy metal, and saved by Ratchet.

So, dead twice, revived four times.

Dont forget that he died 1 more time before the Beast Wars and I dont mean the Japanese headmasters.

And they were going to bring him back in Transtech.

So that's three deaths, and five revivals. Man he's had more reserections then anyone...I think.

Night Striker wrote:And they were going to bring him back in Transtech.

So that's three deaths, and five revivals. Man he's had more reserections then anyone...I think.

I think Jean Grey has him beat.

Night Striker wrote:Actually Starscream only died once. He wasn't fatally blasted, just wounded.

He just want to show off his shiny chrome body. Makes him more intimidating.

I doubt that will be the case if he runs out of Energon.

"Don't leave me, Soundwave."

Funny Auto bot, funny...but very true. Megatron has an ego. Might not be as big as Starscreams or Sunstreakers, but he has an ego. One of Megatrons best moments with Soundwave was that scene.

Hummm....actually that would be a fun game to play. See who knows the most about transformers on this site.

When Starscream was resurected by Unicron he was immideatly killed again and never heard from again till Beast Wars.

Humm how many times has she been killed and brought back? *tries to remember*

Night Striker wrote:Humm how many times has she been killed and brought back? *tries to remember*

I wont even try

Saber Prime wrote:

Night Striker wrote:Actually Starscream only died once. He wasn't fatally blasted, just wounded.

He just want to show off his shiny chrome body. Makes him more intimidating.

I doubt that will be the case if he runs out of Energon.

"Don't leave me, Soundwave."

Funny Auto bot, funny...but very true. Megatron has an ego. Might not be as big as Starscreams or Sunstreakers, but he has an ego. One of Megatrons best moments with Soundwave was that scene.

Hummm....actually that would be a fun game to play. See who knows the most about transformers on this site.

When Starscream was resurected by Unicron he was immideatly killed again and never heard from again till Beast Wars.

Thats an assumtion!Althou a fair one,your right we never see him again but there's no proff thats where he died again.

From what I heard Poession was supposed to take place before Starscream got his new body. Would have been interesting to see if he recalled Black Arachina in Transtech.

Night Striker wrote:From what I heard Poession was supposed to take place before Starscream got his new body. Would have been interesting to see if he recalled Black Arachina in Transtech.

Its a shame we'll never know

I still think there should be two Ova series.

1. To deal with the inbetween time before the movie.

2. One to deal with the time post Rebirth to Beast Wars

There are huge gaps in time to fill. I'm suprised no one in the comics ever atempted these stories. I know there was more to the Comics, but even they haven't touched on this.

Night Striker wrote:I still think there should be two Ova series.

1. To deal with the inbetween time before the movie.

2. One to deal with the time post Rebirth to Beast Wars

There are huge gaps in time to fill. I'm suprised no one in the comics ever atempted these stories. I know there was more to the Comics, but even they haven't touched on this.

I think there afraid that they might mix up continuity even more then it already is.Look at Star Trek Enterprise , they did a fare share of history changes.

Yeah but how would it confuse people? I mean it would fill in the gap more then anything and maybe merge a lot of the issues we have right now. The thing about Star Trek is that they try to feed too much into it. Transformers had mostly been liner until they started to do the reboots and then suddenly things got really confusing.

Night Striker wrote:Yeah but how would it confuse people? I mean it would fill in the gap more then anything and maybe merge a lot of the issues we have right now. The thing about Star Trek is that they try to feed too much into it. Transformers had mostly been liner until they started to do the reboots and then suddenly things got really confusing.

The same way the guide confuses people........by taking bits and peases from the whole and adding to it.You know how the fandom is........if we dont like it we reject it.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Night Striker wrote:I still think there should be two Ova series.

1. To deal with the inbetween time before the movie.

2. One to deal with the time post Rebirth to Beast Wars

There are huge gaps in time to fill. I'm suprised no one in the comics ever atempted these stories. I know there was more to the Comics, but even they haven't touched on this.

I think there afraid that they might mix up continuity even more then it already is.Look at Star Trek Enterprise , they did a fare share of history changes.

If you're talking about stuff like the episode where they found the BORG on Enterprise even though they aren't supose to know about the BORG till the TNG episode where Q Sends the Enterprise D into Borg space there's actully good reason for the Borg to be in the past and change history.

One of the movies had the TNG Crew traveling back in time to when Zephran Cockran (spelling?) first developed the warp drive and made contact with the Vulcans. The events of this movie had the Borg attacking this time period and thus changed history.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Night Striker wrote:I still think there should be two Ova series.

1. To deal with the inbetween time before the movie.

2. One to deal with the time post Rebirth to Beast Wars

There are huge gaps in time to fill. I'm suprised no one in the comics ever atempted these stories. I know there was more to the Comics, but even they haven't touched on this.

I think there afraid that they might mix up continuity even more then it already is.Look at Star Trek Enterprise , they did a fare share of history changes.

If you're talking about stuff like the episode where they found the BORG on Enterprise even though they aren't supose to know about the BORG till the TNG episode where Q Sends the Enterprise D into Borg space there's actully good reason for the Borg to be in the past and change history.

One of the movies had the TNG Crew traveling back in time to when Zephran Cockran (spelling?) first developed the warp drive and made contact with the Vulcans. The events of this movie had the Borg attacking this time period and thus changed history.

First off, I don't watch Enterprise at all, so I don't know if this episode with the Borg was made so that it would not affect the continuities of the other series or not.

Secondly, Star Trek: First Contact (the movie that you mention of) has the Borg going in the past to change history as you said, but the Enterprise crew were not affect by the historical changes from being in the temporal wake. They followed the Borg back into the past, destroyed them, and aided history to return to normal. The only humans in the past who saw the Borg and survived were Zephran and his assistant Lily, so, unless either of them appear in the episode of Enterprise, there is no connection between that episode and Star Trek: First Contact.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Night Striker wrote:I still think there should be two Ova series.

1. To deal with the inbetween time before the movie.

2. One to deal with the time post Rebirth to Beast Wars

There are huge gaps in time to fill. I'm suprised no one in the comics ever atempted these stories. I know there was more to the Comics, but even they haven't touched on this.

I think there afraid that they might mix up continuity even more then it already is.Look at Star Trek Enterprise , they did a fare share of history changes.

If you're talking about stuff like the episode where they found the BORG on Enterprise even though they aren't supose to know about the BORG till the TNG episode where Q Sends the Enterprise D into Borg space there's actully good reason for the Borg to be in the past and change history.

One of the movies had the TNG Crew traveling back in time to when Zephran Cockran (spelling?) first developed the warp drive and made contact with the Vulcans. The events of this movie had the Borg attacking this time period and thus changed history.

Dude I'm an ULTIMATE TREKIE!!!!! Their isnnt a Movie or Episode of Trek that I have not seen or have in my collection of tapes or DVD's.And thats not the episode I was talking about but even that episodes messes with continuity but not in the way your thinking.In a deleated seen and in the novel for First Contact [the movie you were talking about]
before the Enterprise leaves the past [2063] Picard orders the crew to salvage every part of debree of the destroyed borg ship so that they dont change the past any more then they already did.And know how compatant Picard and his crew are they wouldnt have left untill every peice was at least acounted for.

Predaprince wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Night Striker wrote:I still think there should be two Ova series.

1. To deal with the inbetween time before the movie.

2. One to deal with the time post Rebirth to Beast Wars

There are huge gaps in time to fill. I'm suprised no one in the comics ever atempted these stories. I know there was more to the Comics, but even they haven't touched on this.

I think there afraid that they might mix up continuity even more then it already is.Look at Star Trek Enterprise , they did a fare share of history changes.

If you're talking about stuff like the episode where they found the BORG on Enterprise even though they aren't supose to know about the BORG till the TNG episode where Q Sends the Enterprise D into Borg space there's actully good reason for the Borg to be in the past and change history.

One of the movies had the TNG Crew traveling back in time to when Zephran Cockran (spelling?) first developed the warp drive and made contact with the Vulcans. The events of this movie had the Borg attacking this time period and thus changed history.

First off, I don't watch Enterprise at all, so I don't know if this episode with the Borg was made so that it would not affect the continuities of the other series or not.

Secondly, Star Trek: First Contact (the movie that you mention of) has the Borg going in the past to change history as you said, but the Enterprise crew were not affect by the historical changes from being in the temporal wake. They followed the Borg back into the past, destroyed them, and aided history to return to normal. The only humans in the past who saw the Borg and survived were Zephran and his assistant Lily, so, unless either of them appear in the episode of Enterprise, there is no connection between that episode and Star Trek: First Contact.

What happens in the Enterprise episode is that a small amount of debree crashs into the Artic and is found around the time that Enterprise is comishined.
But if you read my post before this one you'll know why that shouldnt have happened.

Think Logicly. A bunch of humans cleaning debrie from crashed Borg ships. They are ONLY humans after all and no matter how theal they are humans DO make mistakes. It is verry likely the borg found in Star Trek Enterprise WERE left behind after the events of First Contact.

In fact that's the ONLY way the Borg could have been found there. My dad is allso an ULTIMATE Trekie. Haveing every single episode and movie of Star Trek on VHS, working on getting all the DVDs. Has a huge colection of Star Trek toys, so much so that at least 1/4 of them are still in storage because he ran out of places to display them.

He allso buys 2 of everything. One for use/display and the other stays untouched inside original packageing.

He's been into Star Trek sence the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike. He is a liveing Star Trek ultimate guide and even he says the Borg from Enterprise were left behind from First Contact.

Saber Prime wrote:Think Logicly. A bunch of humans cleaning debrie from crashed Borg ships. They are ONLY humans after all

No; they are humans with a giant spaceship with scanners and transporters on it.

Saber Prime wrote:Here's one for you. This episode clearly shows Prowl flying. He's even doing the classic "Superman" pose.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vCPwH-YZczg

Looks more like a jump to me.

Saber Prime wrote:Think Logicly. A bunch of humans cleaning debrie from crashed Borg ships. They are ONLY humans after all and no matter how theal they are humans DO make mistakes. It is verry likely the borg found in Star Trek Enterprise WERE left behind after the events of First Contact.

In fact that's the ONLY way the Borg could have been found there. My dad is allso an ULTIMATE Trekie. Haveing every single episode and movie of Star Trek on VHS, working on getting all the DVDs. Has a huge colection of Star Trek toys, so much so that at least 1/4 of them are still in storage because he ran out of places to display them.

He allso buys 2 of everything. One for use/display and the other stays untouched inside original packageing.

He's been into Star Trek sence the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike. He is a liveing Star Trek ultimate guide and even he says the Borg from Enterprise were left behind from First Contact.

I know thats where they were suppose to have come from,thats not up for debate, what I'm sayin is that it just doesnt make sence to me that the crew would have left anything behind.They have a gulid line for dealing with time travel missions called The Temperal Prime Directive as well as a Department of Temperal investigations.And Picards crew has had their fare share of time travel missions.
And not all of the crew is human and the crew member who would have been responcble for collecting the debree would have been their head of operations officer.....and that is Lt.Comander Data...he's not human.He's a living computer.
Also like I said, in the script,the novel and a unfinished deleated scene...we see dialogue between Data and Picard about the salvage mission.
And by the way it's not posible for your father to be a fan of Star Trek since the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike because that episode [the cage] didnt air untill October 4 1988 a full 22 years after the show premiered.There was an episode of the first series that featured clips from the first pilot called The Menagerie but that was like the 11th episode.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Think Logicly. A bunch of humans cleaning debrie from crashed Borg ships. They are ONLY humans after all and no matter how theal they are humans DO make mistakes. It is verry likely the borg found in Star Trek Enterprise WERE left behind after the events of First Contact.

In fact that's the ONLY way the Borg could have been found there. My dad is allso an ULTIMATE Trekie. Haveing every single episode and movie of Star Trek on VHS, working on getting all the DVDs. Has a huge colection of Star Trek toys, so much so that at least 1/4 of them are still in storage because he ran out of places to display them.

He allso buys 2 of everything. One for use/display and the other stays untouched inside original packageing.

He's been into Star Trek sence the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike. He is a liveing Star Trek ultimate guide and even he says the Borg from Enterprise were left behind from First Contact.

I know thats where they were suppose to have come from,thats not up for debate, what I'm sayin is that it just doesnt make sence to me that the crew would have left anything behind.They have a gulid line for dealing with time travel missions called The Temperal Prime Directive as well as a Department of Temperal investigations.And Picards crew has had their fare share of time travel missions.
And not all of the crew is human and the crew member who would have been responcble for collecting the debree would have been their head of operations officer.....and that is Lt.Comander Data...he's not human.He's a living computer.
Also like I said, in the script,the novel and a unfinished deleated scene...we see dialogue between Data and Picard about the salvage mission.
And by the way it's not posible for your father to be a fan of Star Trek since the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike because that episode [the cage] didnt air untill October 4 1988 a full 22 years after the show premiered.There was an episode of the first series that featured clips from the first pilot called The Menagerie but that was like the 11th episode.

I'm not going to go into how rong thoughs facts are right now because I'd actully have to go look up a few dates but this one I don't have to look up.

it's not posible for your father to be a fan of Star Trek since the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike because that episode [the cage] didnt air untill October 4 1988

I was born March 6, 1986. I was allready 2 years old by that time.

I have an older brother who was born 5 years earlier, March 8, 1981. He would be 7 in 1988.

How could my father not have been a fan in 1988?

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OK I seem to have missuderstood what you wrote. I did some research through my dad and on the internet and found out alot of web sites DO in fact give the air date of The Cage as 1988. However this is not true.

Not everything on the internet is true.

The original pilot did actully air some time between 1964 and 1966 (he's a little fuzzy on the exact date) there's allso a 2 hour TV special on the original Star Trek series I remember watching that said the same thing. I'll post the video of that if I can find it.

Anyway, Data is a machine and machines are only as inteligent as the people who build them. Who built Data? A human. He's capable of mistakes just like anyone elce is. As a matter of fact even Vucans and other life forms are capable of mistakes. Only God(s) (if you belive in that sort of thing) can ever truely be perfect and not make mistakes.*

I would find it more unbelivable if they DIDN'T find Borg in Star Trek Enterprise.

*Please note that I'm not trying to offend anyone or go into a religious debate. Please don't turn this into a religious debate just because I mentioned God(s). And I appoligise to anyone I did offend.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Think Logicly. A bunch of humans cleaning debrie from crashed Borg ships. They are ONLY humans after all and no matter how theal they are humans DO make mistakes. It is verry likely the borg found in Star Trek Enterprise WERE left behind after the events of First Contact.

In fact that's the ONLY way the Borg could have been found there. My dad is allso an ULTIMATE Trekie. Haveing every single episode and movie of Star Trek on VHS, working on getting all the DVDs. Has a huge colection of Star Trek toys, so much so that at least 1/4 of them are still in storage because he ran out of places to display them.

He allso buys 2 of everything. One for use/display and the other stays untouched inside original packageing.

He's been into Star Trek sence the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike. He is a liveing Star Trek ultimate guide and even he says the Borg from Enterprise were left behind from First Contact.

I know thats where they were suppose to have come from,thats not up for debate, what I'm sayin is that it just doesnt make sence to me that the crew would have left anything behind.They have a gulid line for dealing with time travel missions called The Temperal Prime Directive as well as a Department of Temperal investigations.And Picards crew has had their fare share of time travel missions.
And not all of the crew is human and the crew member who would have been responcble for collecting the debree would have been their head of operations officer.....and that is Lt.Comander Data...he's not human.He's a living computer.
Also like I said, in the script,the novel and a unfinished deleated scene...we see dialogue between Data and Picard about the salvage mission.
And by the way it's not posible for your father to be a fan of Star Trek since the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike because that episode [the cage] didnt air untill October 4 1988 a full 22 years after the show premiered.There was an episode of the first series that featured clips from the first pilot called The Menagerie but that was like the 11th episode.

I'm not going to go into how rong thoughs facts are right now because I'd actully have to go look up a few dates but this one I don't have to look up.

it's not posible for your father to be a fan of Star Trek since the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike because that episode [the cage] didnt air untill October 4 1988

I was born March 6, 1986. I was allready 2 years old by that time.

I have an older brother who was born 5 years earlier, March 8, 1981. He would be 7 in 1988.

How could my father not have been a fan in 1988?

You misunderstood my post. You said.................

Saber Prime wrote: My dad is allso an ULTIMATE Trekie.
He's been into Star Trek sence the original pilot with Captain Cristipher Pike. He is a liveing Star Trek ultimate guide and even he says the Borg from Enterprise were left behind from First Contact.

And what I was saying is that even thou the first pilot [The Cage] with Cap. Cristipher Pike was filmed first back in 1966 it was nevered aired untill 1988 ,19 years after the show was canceled.
The second pilot [ Where no man has gone before] the 3rd episode to air, aired long before the one with Cap.Pike.
So althou Cap. Pike comanded the Enterprise firse it was Captain James Tiberius Kirk that I and your father first saw on Star Trek.

You posted while I was editing. Go back and read my last post under the edit line. You'll see this...

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And everything under that mark is the edited post.