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Amelie wrote:And thus does StrongArm manage to find her way into the Generations line as a retool of First Aid. I'd take bets on it.

I'd much prefer they retool Offroad over First Aid, given Strongarm is already a truck. But that's a nitpick

Strongarm already has a good size toy. The femmebots from the Search for Alpha Trion don't.

I'd prefer versions that looked more like that episode, but the possibility they could finally get toys is enough to finally interest me in this combiner.

Cobotron wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

Cobotron wrote: New heads, new paint, Billy is now Betty, call it a day.

Devastator now becomes Debbiestator.....

Good one Sheriff!

And hear I thought they would each be turned into one of the 6 leads from MLP:FIM to form Friendstor.

Alright, things I'd love to see from this:

* Three dimensional characters
* Some kind of ludicrous team pose
* The combined form not having a debilitating mental weakness
* Minicon weapons. Too much to ask?

Also since it sounds like LioKaiser colours might be on the menu, if one of the jets was Lyzack I'd pretty much flip.

Diem wrote:* The combined form not having a debilitating mental weakness

But it ain't a proper combiner without a horrifically twisted mind. Devastator had his utter mindlessness, Bruticus had his stupidity, Menasor his schizophrenic rage, Abominus his animalistic fury, Piranacon his single-mindedness, Superion his obsession with the destruction of the enemy, Defensor his naivety and Computron his...slowness. The only combiner without some hideous defect is Predaking, and he's meant to be the most powerful combiner ever made.

If Victorion ends up with no weaknesses and no "personality quirk" I fear she'll come off as a massive Mary Sue. Myself, I think a really unique weakness would be that the combination process puts so much strain on the individuals that Victorion can only remain combined for so long before being driven mad by the pain and forcibly splitting herself apart, kinda like the polar opposite of Piranacon (who refuses to split apart after combining).

I've seen a few people suggest the Female Autobots from The Search for Alpha Trion. I'd be all for that. Established characters getting long overdue toys is always fun. Here's the problem with that, though... How would that work with the fact that this combiner had a color scheme voted on which will presumably be a unified color scheme for these toys, when the Female Autobots from The Search for Alpha Trion all had very different colors from one another?

If we ever do get toys of those characters, I'd like them to at least vaguely look like those characters. And color plays a big part in that. But these toys seem to already have a predetermined color scheme that wouldn't work for them.

If I was a betting man, I'd guess we're going to be seeing all new characters for this combiner, anyway.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Diem wrote:* The combined form not having a debilitating mental weakness

But it ain't a proper combiner without a horrifically twisted mind. Devastator had his utter mindlessness, Bruticus had his stupidity, Menasor his schizophrenic rage, Abominus his animalistic fury, Piranacon his single-mindedness, Superion his obsession with the destruction of the enemy, Defensor his naivety and Computron his...slowness. The only combiner without some hideous defect is Predaking, and he's meant to be the most powerful combiner ever made.

Good point. The toy bios for the various combiners are fascinating and valuable but on screen and in comics it tends to just translate to "talks slowly and/or just growls". I'd be A-OK with "suffers memory less due to trying to access 5 different databanks" or "easily distracted by birds" or whatever. Just something different from the grrrrrs or the "Victorion....is...victorious"

Delta Magnus wrote:If Victorion ends up with no weaknesses and no "personality quirk" I fear she'll come off as a massive Mary Sue. Myself, I think a really unique weakness would be that the combination process puts so much strain on the individuals that Victorion can only remain combined for so long before being driven mad by the pain and forcibly splitting herself apart, kinda like the polar opposite of Piranacon (who refuses to split apart after combining).

That's a neat idea for a weak-point too. I don't necessarily agree that the absence of a weakness is grounds for accusation of Mary Sue-ness (just because the logical converse, the idea that a character with many flaws couldn't possibly be a Mary Sue is very tempting to many writers and is incredibly incorrect), I just would like a combiner who has a different approach to the Grr Argh crowd. Like she merges, and the union of five minds lets her realize that peace is the only solution. Or that she's able to use 5 skill sets to come up with elaborate solutions to problems, rather than just punching.

Yotsuyasan wrote:I've seen a few people suggest the Female Autobots from The Search for Alpha Trion. I'd be all for that. Established characters getting long overdue toys is always fun. Here's the problem with that, though... How would that work with the fact that this combiner had a color scheme voted on which will presumably be a unified color scheme for these toys, when the Female Autobots from The Search for Alpha Trion all had very different colors from one another?

If we ever do get toys of those characters, I'd like them to at least vaguely look like those characters. And color plays a big part in that. But these toys seem to already have a predetermined color scheme that wouldn't work for them.

If I was a betting man, I'd guess we're going to be seeing all new characters for this combiner, anyway.

*sigh* that's true.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Diem wrote:* The combined form not having a debilitating mental weakness

But it ain't a proper combiner without a horrifically twisted mind. Devastator had his utter mindlessness, Bruticus had his stupidity, Menasor his schizophrenic rage, Abominus his animalistic fury, Piranacon his single-mindedness, Superion his obsession with the destruction of the enemy, Defensor his naivety and Computron his...slowness. The only combiner without some hideous defect is Predaking, and he's meant to be the most powerful combiner ever made.

If Victorion ends up with no weaknesses and no "personality quirk" I fear she'll come off as a massive Mary Sue. Myself, I think a really unique weakness would be that the combination process puts so much strain on the individuals that Victorion can only remain combined for so long before being driven mad by the pain and forcibly splitting herself apart, kinda like the polar opposite of Piranacon (who refuses to split apart after combining).

I get where your coming from, but while you're considering only the American G1 combiners, what would you say if, supposedly, the likes of Road Caesar, Landcross, Tripledacus, Magnaboss (BWII), God Neptune, Rail Racer, or Landfill, who all have no known quirks or deficiencies, were to show up in the IDW comics?

Glad to see more female transformers hitting the mix just a shame they're going to be repaints of repaints & more than likely not even look female. Hasbro could've done something amazing & different with an all female combiner team but as usual they take the lazy rout. Right now all im hoping is that they are unique characters & not just preexisting fembot names slapped on random repaints. Either that or extensive retools & cleaver coloring to make them look like the namesakes.

Flashwave wrote:

Amelie wrote:And thus does StrongArm manage to find her way into the Generations line as a retool of First Aid. I'd take bets on it.

I'd much prefer they retool Offroad over First Aid, given Strongarm is already a truck. But that's a nitpick

Strongarm's already been redecoed into a guy: Greejeeber.

Syn_13 wrote:I hope this doesn't mean that they won't be releasing any more fembots this year. I was hoping to see them release Nautica, as well as an Elita 1 at some point (who I was hoping would crop up in the comics).

As mentioned earlier, I wonder if they'll go with the fembots from The Search For Alpha Trion, with the exception of Chromia, of course. They seem to be tying it in with the comics and I don't think I've seen any of those fembots appear.

Well, it was already confirmed that the generations line would only have 16 deluxes this year and they were all revealed to be male. These fembots arent even coming out this year. The only fembot released this year will be Strongarm (unless some more RID figures turn out to be female, like some minicons). Unless you count Arcee and Chromia who I pray finally get released in canada.

Rated X wrote:Well, your perception of one particular person with a supermodel body on a constant basis doesnt exactly show tons of support the less fortunate women you claim to be defending. Youre pretty much glorifying the same thing I am but in a digital form rather than plastic toys.

I just thought they were photos of RHA.

Great news talk about rocketing to stardom Windblade is a real high potential Transformer.

Delta Magnus wrote:

Diem wrote:* The combined form not having a debilitating mental weakness

But it ain't a proper combiner without a horrifically twisted mind. Devastator had his utter mindlessness, Bruticus had his stupidity, Menasor his schizophrenic rage, Abominus his animalistic fury, Piranacon his single-mindedness, Superion his obsession with the destruction of the enemy, Defensor his naivety and Computron his...slowness. The only combiner without some hideous defect is Predaking, and he's meant to be the most powerful combiner ever made.

If Victorion ends up with no weaknesses and no "personality quirk" I fear she'll come off as a massive Mary Sue. Myself, I think a really unique weakness would be that the combination process puts so much strain on the individuals that Victorion can only remain combined for so long before being driven mad by the pain and forcibly splitting herself apart, kinda like the polar opposite of Piranacon (who refuses to split apart after combining).

Seeing as how this first appears in a combiner hunters comic, I'd guess that when Victorion combines she hulks out and loses control. Or what if Victorion just hates herself. Just think about it, lock six women in a room and there will be fights and drama. Lock six women in one body...

Six females...

The leader will be intelligent and studious.

One of the fliers will be competitive and daring.

The other flier with be shy and kind-hearted.

One of the cars will be a hardworker and old-fashioned.

The fifth will be stylish and helpful.

And the sixth will be energetic and crazy.


And I'd be perfectly fine with it.

All female combiner...







If I had to guess.

Henry921 wrote:All female combiner...







If I had to guess.

Rook isn't one of the molds that won. Two will be jets and two will be cars.

LE0KING wrote:
Seeing as how this first appears in a combiner hunters comic, I'd guess that when Victorion combines she hulks out and loses control. Or what if Victorion just hates herself. Just think about it, lock six women in a room and there will be fights and drama. Lock six women in one body...

That statement right there is what's wrong with this world. Knee jerk sexism.

However, as happy as I am to see more female role models in a male dominated world, I'm really wary of this as the record has been sadly slanted to the boob fest when it comes to Transformers.

As a woman, I have to say, I'm more than just my boobs, as impressive of a rack as they may be. Google Arcee and see what ridiculous posses they STILL put her in (though mostly in fan art). There's no way you can convince me a female soldier in the military shoots her gun while standing on a tip toe with a leg seductively raised and a pout on her lips.

From a scientific point of view, Transformers are not mammals. Boobs are unnecessary on them. Curves are unnecessary on them (but at least that you can argue with me, as I can't think of any other mammal besides humans with curves, and robot modes are human-ish)

Personally, I feel the 'fembots' are a generally poor representation of women. They're either damsel in distress, ragingly angry, over bearing, lack personality all together, naive, or a combination of any of those traits. Very few show realistic female attributes. Nautica is the only one I've ever liked. She isn't hung up being female, as in she doesn't dwell on it. She's smart, admits to her short comings, her strong suits she slips into naturally without having to point out she's a women, she's not masculine, she's feminine without hitting you over the head with it (If I had a daughter, I'd totally be encouraging the Nautica... yeah she doesn't have a toy? Why? Cause she's a normal woman.

Strongarm isn't bad... at least they are moving away in the cartoons from the boobs and the overly girly aspects and making them more realistic.

In the real world, women are just people. That's all we really want. To not be defined by our gender. It's cool if you like pink and bows and showing off the curves, but let's not make that the prefix for everything about us. Not every woman likes pink. Not everyone is girly.
Most women I know don't run around giggling and prefixing themselves with the word fem. I'm not a Fem-merican. I'm American.
(Obviously I can't stand sticking fem in front of the bot. We don't call Optimus or Megatron Mascubots or Mancons, so why do we have to make the distinction for female characters? It's essentially saying, to me, that your gender is more important than your abilities)

Okay, feminist rant over, it's actually a long time in coming and has been building.

Please... Hasbro... think this through before you stick a bunch of boobs out there (there's more to being a woman than boobs!). Please remember that all kinds of girls/women exist. We have enough Arcee versions (from bubble head/damsel in distress, to confusingly angry, which is confusing to the reader.,... you hear me IDW Arcee, to needs to just let it go overly emotional angry) let's have some stronger women that aren't angry, and representations for all the different kinds of women in this world.
We can be strong without being overbearing and angry, we can be soft without being the damsel in distress, and we can be women without focusing on our body parts.

Sabrblade wrote:Six females...

The leader will be intelligent and studious.

One of the fliers will be competitive and daring.

The other flier with be shy and kind-hearted.

One of the cars will be a hardworker and old-fashioned.

The fifth will be stylish and helpful.

And the sixth will be energetic and crazy.


And I'd be perfectly fine with it.

I'm watching you Sabr I'm watching ya...

I was hoping it was Victorion, I love the idea of a female combiner.

I feel like there's two big issues recurring in this thread:

"Feminization" vs. "Sexualization". There's nothing wrong with female transformers looking feminine. Admittedly while some molds look pretty neutral and could work for either there are enough molds that are definitively male (broad shoulders, barrel chests, codpieces, BEARDS) that it's nice to have a contrast. That DOESN'T mean that they need to have giant chests or robo-panties, and it doesn't mean that female characters with neutral or more masculine bodies are invalid. Of course in an ideal world the female molds should be just as representative as the males with tall, short, thin, fat, muscular or slim bodies.

"Should" vs. "Is". Yeah, there's no scientific reason why Transformers should have two genders. But they do. There's no reason why they should have sexual characteristics. But they do.

Yotsuyasan wrote:I've seen a few people suggest the Female Autobots from The Search for Alpha Trion. I'd be all for that. Established characters getting long overdue toys is always fun. Here's the problem with that, though... How would that work with the fact that this combiner had a color scheme voted on which will presumably be a unified color scheme for these toys, when the Female Autobots from The Search for Alpha Trion all had very different colors from one another?

Just because there are unifying colors doesn't mean they'll be the only colors. Runination had unifying colors, mainly orange and electric blue, on all of the figures and still kept elements of their original colors (though Whirl really stretched it).

But yeah, I really don't want established female characters to be part of this. Leave it to either known characters that haven't shown up in the comics or entirely new characters.

william-james88 wrote:Well, it was already confirmed that the generations line would only have 16 deluxes this year and they were all revealed to be male.

I wouldn't take what Hasbro said about 16 figures as gospel when Hasbro already has 18 figures ready for release for the first half of this year. Can't picture them going the rest of the year without anymore new deluxe figures. We still have the expected mascaraed figures which should also be this year for as long as we've heard rumors of them, and the rumored Technobots which seems more likely for January.

Emerje

Think this is a great idea. It's a great way to give fans Six Fembots toys all at once.

Noticed some of the CW toys have feminine sculpts. Skinny thighs, slender abs stomach sections. bulky upper chest. skinny arms. Slender robot modes.

If done right, Think this could turn out perfect.

ctrlFrequency wrote:

LE0KING wrote:
Seeing as how this first appears in a combiner hunters comic, I'd guess that when Victorion combines she hulks out and loses control. Or what if Victorion just hates herself. Just think about it, lock six women in a room and there will be fights and drama. Lock six women in one body...

That statement right there is what's wrong with this world. Knee jerk sexism.

Woah, sorry I set you off, ha ha. The joke was intended to be good humor, (my sister even laughed) I make the same types of jokes about everything, it wasn't meant to be cutting.
Plus I actually agree with you on most points, from the over sexualization of arcee to nautica being one of the best new characters yet. Please don't jump on the offensive so quickly, not everyone is trying to demean you. Honestly though, I am sorry.

I just hope the molds hold up well. Galvatronus tends to lean forward with its arms straight out while Dead End and Streetwise suffer from really loose hips. Hasbro has a big spotlight on them I hope this doesn't fail.