This page contains affiliate links. We may earn commissions when readers interact with or purchase items through these links. For more information, see our affiliate disclosures here.

Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Feel free to discuss anything about any of the thousands of Transformer toys here. Anything from Generation 1 all the way to the soon to be released, the never to be released or the hope to be released is fair game! Want to show off your stuff? Please post your's and see others in the Transformers Collections Forum.

Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby X3ROhour » Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:20 pm

Motto: ""I WILL CUDDLE YOUR SOUL!!""
Weapon: Three-Bladed Knife
I was recently sent an email by Hasbro Pulse.
They wanted a short review
on my new SG BLURR.
You all know the type.

I initially was just gonna give it a 4 outta 5 stars
(If u got one, u know why)
And move on.

But I stopped & thought about "why 4?"

2 simple reasons:
#1 I am sick to death of exclusives.
But the real reason
#2 Fantastic figures, sure!
But, you charge far too much
for something that is basically a repaint.
Stop.
You have already convinced us to shell out for ;)^ the same thing
at least twice
(if not a dozen times in the case of Seekers & Side/Streak repaints),
but on top of that
you absolutely need to charge more?
Why?

It's a TOTAL bull$#!@ game.
I completely sick of it!
And I need these companies to stop!
Just stop charging so FRAKKIN much extra!
It's not fare!
It's not special.
And I can't stop buying my Plastic Crack
So be a caring drug dealer and cut us some slack!

It's not like the collector's are not going to buy!


PS. Hell, I'd love to stage some kind of group boycott on the whole overpriced exclusives thing... but then we would have to not buy them... and that... just ain't going to happen.

Dammit.
Image
Latest FIGS (01/25-03/24) MMC SPRINGER! Earthspark NIGHTSHADE! Legacy Evo STRONGARM, SHADOW STRIKER, BOMBSHELL & DETRITUS!!
User avatar
X3ROhour
City Commander
Posts: 3180
News Credits: 2
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:55 pm
Location: right behind you...
Buy from X3ROhour on eBay
Alt Mode: Transmetal WereBat to Starfighter Triplechanger
Strength: 8
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 1
Endurance: 5
Rank: N/A
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 10+
Skill: Infinity

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby Emerje » Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:11 pm

Motto: "Spellcheck's antithesis."
Weapon: Saw-Edged Pincer
They aren't, it includes an exclusive comic (cover) which isn't free. Plus it isn't cover priced, it's marked with an RE which I believe stands for "retail exclusive" (as opposed to RI covers, "retail incentive"). While Hasbro doesn't usually mark up repainted figures, they can still mark up a comic which is pretty standard practice. So you're paying $23 for the figure and $7 for the comic (a $3 markup, less than most retailers ask looking around online). Not great if you don't care about the comic, but you are getting more than a figure. Certainly not as nice as getting free comics in the early Generations days, but those were later reprints, not current (or advance even) releases.

Emerje
User avatar
Emerje
News Staff
Posts: 10166
News Credits: 235
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Maine
Alt Mode: Lobster Moose
Strength: 9
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 4
Endurance: 8
Rank: 6
Courage: 10
Firepower: 3
Skill: 6

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby X3ROhour » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:35 pm

Motto: ""I WILL CUDDLE YOUR SOUL!!""
Weapon: Three-Bladed Knife
Hooey.
I call hooey.
Image
Latest FIGS (01/25-03/24) MMC SPRINGER! Earthspark NIGHTSHADE! Legacy Evo STRONGARM, SHADOW STRIKER, BOMBSHELL & DETRITUS!!
User avatar
X3ROhour
City Commander
Posts: 3180
News Credits: 2
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:55 pm
Location: right behind you...
Buy from X3ROhour on eBay
Alt Mode: Transmetal WereBat to Starfighter Triplechanger
Strength: 8
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 1
Endurance: 5
Rank: N/A
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 10+
Skill: Infinity

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby william-james88 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:18 pm

Motto: "'till All Are One"
X3ROhour wrote:Hooey.
I call hooey.


So the answer is, exclusive repaints don't necessarily require higher price tags, but exclusive comics do.
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby Emerje » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:22 pm

Motto: "Spellcheck's antithesis."
Weapon: Saw-Edged Pincer
X3ROhour wrote:Hooey.
I call hooey.

I don't see how, the only exclusives sold for more than retail on Pulse are the ones that come with extra stuff. Whether it's comics, weapons or blast effects anything over the base price is what Hasbro thinks the extras are worth.

Emerje
User avatar
Emerje
News Staff
Posts: 10166
News Credits: 235
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Maine
Alt Mode: Lobster Moose
Strength: 9
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 4
Endurance: 8
Rank: 6
Courage: 10
Firepower: 3
Skill: 6

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby Sculyblast » Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:27 am

Hi, I am an economics teacher.

**dodges rotten tomato**

Hasbro has an incentive to produce regular retail figures at the regular pricepoint.
This is not an accident, Habro has calculated exactly how many Kingdom beast megatrons it needs to produce to optimise its profit. So that is the amount of regular figures it produces at the regular price.

Hasbro is under no obligation to produce the exclusive 25th anniversary T-Wrecks. and since T-Wrecks is not a show character, Hasbro has no reason to assume it will be a commercial success.
Hasbro does understand there are some people who are willing to pay for this relatively obscure character. but yeah, Hasbro already calculated it's optimal profits at the regular pricepoint, so it has no reason to take the hassle of actually producing a recolour. sticking with the original optimal production quantity, that would mean Hasbro would reduce the amount of Beast Megatrons to make place for T-wrecks and still stay at the optimum. which makes no sense, creating a separate productionline just because of some obscure reference? so at the same pricepoint Hasbro would not.

Now if people are willing to pay more, this changes the decision proces. At a higher pricepoint the profit is optimised at a different quantity. That extra profit may be enough to get a middle aged manager out of bed earlier to organise a separate productionline. to Hire an extra employee to do quality control on these exclusives.

But what about the consumers? Must they be forced to surrender higher and higher prices? No. If you don't want to pay the higher price, then don't buy the figure. In Hasbro's calculations they have already assumed many are unwilling to pay more for basically the same figure. Hasbro is fine with people only buying Beast Megatron, and skipping T-Wrecks. but for those willing to pay, it does provide them with some nice obscure reference.


In summary, You basically have a choice. Only the current amount of mainline figures, or the mainline plus some exclusives.


P.S. Also, we are spoiled consumers. We tend to forget that we get entire lines of non-show toys just because hasbro can. Technically Hasbro would be fine skipping Universe/Generations/war for cybertron and just sticking to Transformers Cyberverse.
Sculyblast
Micromaster
Posts: 72
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:43 pm

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby Emerje » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:17 am

Motto: "Spellcheck's antithesis."
Weapon: Saw-Edged Pincer
You're forgetting something, exclusives are mostly profit for Hasbro. All the sculpting, mold tooling, and most of the QA is already done the first time around. They also tend to use cheaper plastic to really add to their profits. In the end Hasbro isn't even the one setting the price, exclusives are always priced by the stores selling them, all Hasbro cares about is unit prices.

Emerje
User avatar
Emerje
News Staff
Posts: 10166
News Credits: 235
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:15 am
Location: Maine
Alt Mode: Lobster Moose
Strength: 9
Intelligence: 7
Speed: 4
Endurance: 8
Rank: 6
Courage: 10
Firepower: 3
Skill: 6

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby william-james88 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:02 am

Motto: "'till All Are One"
Emerje wrote:You're forgetting something, exclusives are mostly profit for Hasbro. All the sculpting, mold tooling, and most of the QA is already done the first time around. They also tend to use cheaper plastic to really add to their profits. In the end Hasbro isn't even the one setting the price, exclusives are always priced by the stores selling them, all Hasbro cares about is unit prices.

Emerje


Which makes this shattered glass blurr case even more interesting then, since Hasbro is also the store selling it.
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby o.supreme » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:07 pm

Motto: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"
Emerje wrote:Certainly not as nice as getting free comics in the early Generations days, but those were later reprints, not current (or advance even) releases.

Emerje


Even though the comics being packaged with T30 and CW deluxes were exclusive to U.S. releases (IIRC), I never considered them *free*. I figured a $15 deluxe back then would have only been $12 w/o the comic, which always frustrated me because I didn't care about the comics at all. But I guess it's better than trying to purchase CW figures now on the aftermarket...yeesh. I thought it was bad getting in on the tail end in 2016, I'd hate to try to start now.
Bucket/Want List: Botcon 2016 Customization Class Ratchet (G2 Deco), or Customization Class Ratchet (Marvel Comics Deco) **would also be willing to pay for an Unpainted Botcon 2016 Ratchet, TT Legends Fortress Head (only) with working Electronics

Wish List of Modern Combiners: Road Caesar, Monstructor & Dinoking (proper size to fiction), Landcross, Guard City, Battle Gaia, & G2 Defensor. Wish List of Titans:Metrotitan,Majin Zarak
User avatar
o.supreme
Guardian Of Seibertron
Posts: 7121
News Credits: 55
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:03 pm
Location: Born in the Bay Area, but stuck in Sacto.
Watch o.supreme on YouTube
Buy from o.supreme on eBay

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby X3ROhour » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:06 pm

Motto: ""I WILL CUDDLE YOUR SOUL!!""
Weapon: Three-Bladed Knife
If you really want to see some high priced shenanigans,
Take a look at the Seacons combiner from a while ago.

Seawing,
a limb piece,
retooled from engineering already in use,
Should cost $19.99.
Hasbro Pulse has it listed at
$36.99

No comic book.
Image
Latest FIGS (01/25-03/24) MMC SPRINGER! Earthspark NIGHTSHADE! Legacy Evo STRONGARM, SHADOW STRIKER, BOMBSHELL & DETRITUS!!
User avatar
X3ROhour
City Commander
Posts: 3180
News Credits: 2
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:55 pm
Location: right behind you...
Buy from X3ROhour on eBay
Alt Mode: Transmetal WereBat to Starfighter Triplechanger
Strength: 8
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 1
Endurance: 5
Rank: N/A
Courage: 10+
Firepower: 10+
Skill: Infinity

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:15 pm

Motto: "The only good is knowledge, and the only evil is ignorance."
X3ROhour wrote:If you really want to see some high priced shenanigans,
Take a look at the Seacons combiner from a while ago.

Seawing,
a limb piece,
retooled from engineering already in use,
Should cost $19.99.
Hasbro Pulse has it listed at
$36.99

No comic book.


TakaraTomy alone did all that for the Japanese market, no Hasbro involvement whatsoever. Thus it's classified as an Import, and you know how expensive they get.
The resident Rewind... well, half of one :lol:

- Jelze Bunnycat =:3

Looking for:
- TR Furos (Hardhead's head) and Crashbash (lost him :()
- PotP Punch head
- TR Galvatron right arm (the gun one)
- CW Brake-Neck/UW Wildrider, CW Offroad
- TR Twinferno & Grotusque
- Greenlight, Lancer and PotP Elita-1 (plus repro Victorion hands and feet?)
User avatar
Jelze Bunnycat
God Of Transformers
Posts: 19367
News Credits: 241
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:45 am
Location: McKinney, Texas, USA; Delft, the Netherlands
Strength: 5
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 8
Endurance: 7
Rank: 1
Courage: 8
Skill: 5

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:20 pm

X3ROhour wrote:If you really want to see some high priced shenanigans,
Take a look at the Seacons combiner from a while ago.

Seawing,
a limb piece,
retooled from engineering already in use,
Should cost $19.99.
Hasbro Pulse has it listed at
$36.99

No comic book.


Yeah, things just don't work that way, especially for Takara Selects.

First off the re-tool was much more extensive than anything that has been done within a retail price point and required new molds for at least 50% (most of them more) of the figure depending on which limb you are talking about. Not way that is being done at regular retail price. Second, they came with more accessories and an upgraded combiner hand over the retail releases, so more additional cost. Third, these were made in much smaller quantities than a regular release, so the production costs are spread out over fewer end products.

But neither of those were the main factor in the price, that was because the Seacons were Takara initiatives. Hasbro wasn't involved in the development. Hasbro Pulse in this case is just a retailer for Takara. Takara sets the price and Hasbro sets their markup unlike regular retail where they are designed by both companies specifically to fit the pricepoint.
TF-fan kev777
City Commander
Posts: 3865
News Credits: 42
Joined: Thu May 28, 2015 5:48 pm
Strength: 7
Intelligence: 9
Speed: 8
Endurance: 10
Rank: 6
Courage: 9
Firepower: 10
Skill: 7

Re: Exclusive Repaints Require Higher Price Tag!?

Postby william-james88 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:24 pm

Motto: "'till All Are One"
X3ROhour wrote:If you really want to see some high priced shenanigans,
Take a look at the Seacons combiner from a while ago.

Seawing,
a limb piece,
retooled from engineering already in use,
Should cost $19.99.
Hasbro Pulse has it listed at
$36.99

No comic book.


Should cost 19.99, yes, if it wasn't an imported item. But here you are comparing imports to non imports. And the seacons were japanese imports, with the japanese box and everything. So it's a different pricing structure.
And once again it's not the figure being an exclusive repaint that makes it have a higher price (TWrecks is an exclusive repaint and that does nothing to the price), but it's the fact that it's an import.
If you have any news, rumours, or hot new sightings to report which you feel should be front paged,
please contact us using this form.

Image
User avatar
william-james88
News Staff
Posts: 32589
News Credits: 4498
Joined: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:46 am
Buy from william-james88 on eBay


Return to Transformers Toys Discussion

Transformers and More @ The Seibertron Store

Visit our store on eBay
These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "HOOLIGAN Transformers G2 Cyberjets complete Hasbro 1995 240109H"
NEW!
HOOLIGAN Transform ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Construct-Bots WHEELJACK Elite Class Transformers E1:01 G1 Hasbro New 2013"
Construct-Bots WHE ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "MP-58 HOIST Transformers Masterpiece G1 green tow truck Hasbro 2024 New"
NEW!
MP-58 HOIST Transf ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "INFERNO Transformers Legacy Voyager Beast Wars Predacon 2022 New **IN-STOCK**"
INFERNO Transforme ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS BEAST WARS #11 Cvr B IDW Comics 2021 OCT210410 11B (CA) Yurcaba"
TRANSFORMERS BEAST ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "BLASTER + FLIGHT-PACK Transformers G1 Action Masters complete 1990 240109A"
NEW!
BLASTER + FLIGHT-P ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS BEAST WARS #5 RI 1:10 IDW Comics 2021 APR210677 5RI (CA) Milne"
TRANSFORMERS BEAST ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "ARCEE Transformers Studio Series 86-16 G1 Movie Deluxe Hasbro 2022 New"
ARCEE Transformers ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "Transformers Best of GRIMLOCK #1 IDW Comics 2022 AUG221573 (CA) Biggie"
Transformers Best ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "SCARR Transformers Legacy Evolution Core Class G1 Dinobot Skar Hasbro 2023 New"
SCARR Transformers ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "DINOBOT Transformers Beast Wars Super7 Reaction Retro Figure 2023 New"
DINOBOT Transforme ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "TRANSFORMERS BEAST WARS #13 Cvr B IDW Comics 2022 DEC210544 13B (CA) Johnson"
TRANSFORMERS BEAST ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "DILLO Transformers Beast Machines Deployers Hasbro 2000 New / purple; version #1"
DILLO Transformers ...
Visit shop.seibertron.com to buy "DINOBOT Transformers Beast Wars McDonald's Happy Meal Premium 1998 230609A"
DINOBOT Transforme ...
* Price and quantities subject to change. Shipping costs, taxes and other fees not included in cost shown. Refer to listing for current price and availability.
Find the items above and thousands more at the Seibertron Store on eBay
Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #347 - Swooped In
Twincast / Podcast #347:
"Swooped In"
MP3 · iTunes · RSS · View · Discuss · Ask
Posted: Saturday, April 6th, 2024

Featured Products on Amazon.com

These are affiliate links. We may earn commissions when you purchase items or services through these links.
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Legends Class Roadtrap" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Studio Series 11 Deluxe Class Movie 4 Lockdown" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Titans Return Repugnus, Dastard, and Solus Prime Prime Master" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers: Generations Power of The Primes Deluxe Class Dinobot Sludge" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Deluxe Ratchet Action Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Masterpiece Movie Series Barricade MPM-5" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Power of the Primes Punch-Counterpunch and Prima Prime" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Combiner Wars Blast Off Megatronus Prime Master" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Studio Series 01 Deluxe Class Movie 1 Bumblebee" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Studio Series 02 Deluxe Class Movie 3 Decepticon Stinger" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Masterpiece MP-21 Bumble Figure" on AMAZON
Buy "Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Legends Class Buzzsaw Figure" on AMAZON