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Stumpybot wrote:
1. Theyve already done Magnus. multiple times. They want to bring out toys that EVERYBODY will buy, and not devalue their previous creations. And lets be honest, there will be massive fanboy outcries of 'my city commander is worthless now' if they reworked magnus (seriously, tell me im wrong)

Even if this thing was meant to be Magnus in some fashion, it's not G1 Magnus so it really has no negative effect on CC either way? If Hasbro puts out a new Movie Prime, that doesn't devalue Classics Prime any...

Spazicon wrote:I don't want it to be another Ultra Magnus inspired figure, which I am being very vocal about in this thread. However, I do find it fun to speculate, since we have so little to go on right now.

And you are right. There's no need for a new version of a figure they themselves put out already. Makes no sense. And design wise, he bears little resemblance to Ultra Magnus, other than the above mentioned toy's minor similarities, which itself was just a repaint of another character.

I totally agree. Logically it seems to be the side of a cockpit, i saw a picture on another board comparing it to the prototype picture of heartmaster. The idea of FP doing some type of ****master gimmick is pretty cool. They hit on a great idea when they did Sidearm for Protector, and implementing the concept on an original figure could be fantastic, especially from one of the leaders in innovation within 3rd party figures, its not like they have a bad track record for quality control or bad figures

Kibble wrote:

Stumpybot wrote:
1. Theyve already done Magnus. multiple times. They want to bring out toys that EVERYBODY will buy, and not devalue their previous creations. And lets be honest, there will be massive fanboy outcries of 'my city commander is worthless now' if they reworked magnus (seriously, tell me im wrong)

Even if this thing was meant to be Magnus in some fashion, it's not G1 Magnus so it really has no negative effect on CC either way? If Hasbro puts out a new Movie Prime, that doesn't devalue Classics Prime any...

I just think, if theyve done one Magnus homage (and since he only had 1 G1 toy, most other appearance are repaints) then theres no logic to another new version. If its not a g1 homage, then paint it different colours and voila, no reference to magnus and we still get something awesome

I think, having looked into the design of heartmaster, that its taking a fair few design aspects from multiple sources and fashioning something NEW and ORIGINAL. I cant see any similarity to that magnus figure outside the shoulders and the presence of a smaller figure in the chest (integrated in a totally different way) and i can see some of the aspects of WW grimlock, but i honestly see this as being something new. Taking design ideas and building their own continuity. If they want to continue to grow as a company, its logical that they would want to take cues from hastak and build new things

GetRightRobot wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:You guys still think this is meant to be another homage? Seriously, would it be so crazy if just once you considered FP may be trying to do their own thing?

Actually the direction of the conversation for the past couple of pages worth of replies has focused on the idea that this may NOT be an homage, and how collectors would feel about it.

Ah, yeah. I kinda just skimmed across it like a dope.

So yeah, the colors and shape of the figure pretty much show it's not a homage. Doesn't even look like anything particular from the Brave series. Anyway, so long as the price isn't too bad I'll be getting it. Screw homages it's awesome looking!

I'd love a new Classics Ultra Magnus, having missed out on both City Commander and the white Optimus that goes inside him...however, this doesn't look anything like I'd want that to look, and I'm quite happy for it to be something else anyway.

While I'd be happy to have a new Fansproject item, my wallet is happy they have been taking their time

i just don't see the draw of this heartmaster thing. yeah, fansproject is awesome, i know, i own most of their products. however, while this may be a high quality, highly detailed set, i can't see how this would be profitable for them. a big part of why the third party exists is because there is a high demand for characters that the first party refuse to produce. this is not one of them. el duque, if you are wrong about the stunticons, i will hunt you down!

thunderjacker wrote:i just don't see the draw of this heartmaster thing. yeah, fansproject is awesome, i know, i own most of their products. however, while this may be a high quality, highly detailed set, i can't see how this would be profitable for them. a big part of why the third party exists is because there is a high demand for characters that the first party refuse to produce. this is not one of them. el duque, if you are wrong about the stunticons, i will hunt you down!

And you sir, are speaking on your own behalf.

Spazicon wrote:

thunderjacker wrote:i just don't see the draw of this heartmaster thing. yeah, fansproject is awesome, i know, i own most of their products. however, while this may be a high quality, highly detailed set, i can't see how this would be profitable for them. a big part of why the third party exists is because there is a high demand for characters that the first party refuse to produce. this is not one of them. el duque, if you are wrong about the stunticons, i will hunt you down!

And you sir, are speaking on your own behalf.

of course i am speaking on my own behalf, i wrote it. "I" being someone who pays a premium on third party toys. that being said, any third party company, especially one that calls themselves "fans"project, may want to consider what customers like me are willing to pay for, despite what they choose to design but, more importantly, what they choose to sell.

thunderjacker wrote:

Spazicon wrote:

thunderjacker wrote:i just don't see the draw of this heartmaster thing. yeah, fansproject is awesome, i know, i own most of their products. however, while this may be a high quality, highly detailed set, i can't see how this would be profitable for them. a big part of why the third party exists is because there is a high demand for characters that the first party refuse to produce. this is not one of them. el duque, if you are wrong about the stunticons, i will hunt you down!

And you sir, are speaking on your own behalf.

of course i am speaking on my own behalf, i wrote it. "I" being someone who pays a premium on third party toys. that being said, any third party company, especially one that calls themselves "fans"project, may want to consider what customers like me are willing to pay for, despite what they choose to design but, more importantly, what they choose to sell.

By stating;

thunderjacker wrote:i can't see how this would be profitable for them. a big part of why the third party exists is because there is a high demand for characters that the first party refuse to produce. this is not one of them.

You are implying that you are speaking for more than yourself.

Maybe it's a unpainted prototype..releax about the colors..

Stumpybot wrote:not to s*** on anybodies speculation cereal, but i honestly think this 'its a new re-imagined Ultra Magnus' talk is ridiculous. Ive seen what theyre saying on TFW, and honestly, i think theres something in their water, its just getting a bit silly.

Theres nothing at all to link it to the character, im sorry but the colours in the picture could signify literally anything, its not screaming magnus at me.

How many other blue and white truck type vehicles do you know?

Stumpybot wrote: its widely known that there are several fansproject creations coming that arent magnus (Heartmaster, Causality 6 & 7, a new warbot) so why would they go back and re-do a homage to a figure theyve already rung dry with the commander armours???

While we pretty much knew who the new Warbot was meant to be there hasn't been anything to suggest it's still even in the works. We don't know who CA-06 & -07 are going to be, but yeah, it's a safe bet they're not going to be Magnus. And these several pages of comments prove no one really knows which Transformer (if any) Heartmaster is meant to be. I don't want it to be Magnus, but what we want does not dictate what FansProject produces.

Stumpybot wrote:I can sum up the argument against as follows

1. Theyve already done Magnus. multiple times. They want to bring out toys that EVERYBODY will buy, and not devalue their previous creations. And lets be honest, there will be massive fanboy outcries of 'my city commander is worthless now' if they reworked magnus (seriously, tell me im wrong)

You're wrong. I love my City Commander and have no interest in getting rid of it ever, so I don't give a damn about its market value. I'd hardly call re-releasing City Commander with some extra accessories doing Magnus "multiple times". Classic Ultra Magnus is up there with Classics Cliffjumper and Skywarp as the least produced Classics figures. There are still cries from collectors for Hasbro to release Skywarp in the Generations line, and since his Classics version was a two-pack with Magnus, it stands to reason that there may be demand for more of him too. A new Ultra Magnus homage could fill any gaps in fans' collections, and yet would be different enough for everyone to be OK picking one up. I remember fans were bouncing around with joy when CHMS (correct me if I got the name wrong) announced their voyager sized MasterPiece/Classics Ultra Magnus and that was a darn sight similar to City Commander. If FansProject were to repaint HeartMaster in Optimus colours, I'd be all over it as my PowerMaster/Rolling Thunder homage.

Stumpybot wrote:2. Theyre moving away from the big characters and coming up with original classics compositions, the micromaster homages for example.

Two Micromaster homages that were just repaints of their existing Classics style figures. They probably did it so that those people who didn't want or couldn't get Universe Bruticus Maximus could still get hold of those awesome little figures, and I thank them for that.

Stumpybot wrote:3. Why re-do a character theyve already done an arguably amazing job with????????? They arent stupid and the canon to pick from is pretty vast.

I think I've covered that one already.

Stumpybot wrote:If its a WW Grimlock-esque figure then great, i'll be all over it. If its finally finishing causality then great. but Magnus? nope

It's blatantly not Causality. Have you been at the water you say the guys at TFW have been drinking?

To reiterate, I don't want it to be Magnus. We don't know enough about this figure to say for certain who it is. All we know is it's a humanoid transforming figure who turns into an armoured truck, has a PowerMaster-like partner, looks like it has room and the connector for a trailer, and there's a version that's painted blue and white. You may not like it, hell I'm not sure I like it, but those factors combined do seem (for now at least) to point to Bendimus Prime's Energon Ultra Magnus theory.

Guys, I really don't want to be egging this on.... but as dumb as I think a magnus would be... there is some speculation that CC armor will fit this guy. Lame? Perhaps. But the poermaster Prime repaint (complete with Hi-q) and subsequent repaints woul make sense. I HOPE IT"S NOT. Lord knows I hope it's not... but....

I'd be down for a new version of Energon Ultra Magnus. But I kinda doubt that's what it is.

GetRightRobot wrote:Guys, I really don't want to be egging this on.... but as dumb as I think a magnus would be... there is some speculation that CC armor will fit this guy. Lame? Perhaps. But the poermaster Prime repaint (complete with Hi-q) and subsequent repaints woul make sense. I HOPE IT"S NOT. Lord knows I hope it's not... but....

In bot mode? If so, I still don't give a ****...

zodconvoy wrote:I'd be down for a new version of Energon Ultra Magnus. But I kinda doubt that's what it is.

So you have seen the photoshop'd comparisons? I hope it's not. TRULY. I was getting my hopes up that it was some unknown Powermaster character of FP's own creation. Time will tell...

LiKwid wrote:Maybe it's a unpainted prototype..releax about the colors..

I considered that too, but if you look at the pic again it is clearly painted (the red stripes, the black grill at the rear, the silver at the front, the fact that the cockpit is moulded from clear plastic so the white may well be painted on).



Anyway, I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned more often (or at all) but personally, I see way, way more similarities with this figure, in both vehicle and robot modes.





Here are the similarities I see:
- colours match
- both have a cockpit
- the three pipes on the same spot in vehicle mode
- heck, the general shape of the vehicle matches
- the general proportions of the robot mode match (particularly the arms, legs, and the narrow waist)
- the front "bumper/grill" of the vehicle matches
- the robot modes both have a fake G1 Prime-style abdomen-grill

Here are the dissimilarities I see:
- Heartmaster mini figure
- Shoulder missiles

And I think FP are more than welcome to throw in the heartmaster as something new (like the new version of Roller for Rodimus Prime). It could be a bit of a tribute to Ginrai (when we get the inevitable Optimus repaint).

Edit: After looking at the Energon Ultra Magnus pics, I think the mini-figure and the shoulder missiles could be nods to the Energon figure, while the rest of the design is a homage to War Within.

So does anyone else see the resemblance, or am I sounding a little loopy right now? Do I win a prize if I get this right?

GetRightRobot wrote:So you have seen the photoshop'd comparisons?

Got a link?

I totally see it. I do. Excellent points on the side of your argument. I guess if it's ANY Magnus, I'm going to be a little disappointed. My CC is plenty, lets move on, IMO.

Oilspill wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:So you have seen the photoshop'd comparisons?

Got a link?

better yet:

GetRightRobot wrote:I totally see it. I do. Excellent points on the side of your argument. I guess if it's ANY Magnus, I'm going to be a little disappointed. My CC is plenty, lets move on, IMO.

I agree, I'd be much more excited - not for a new character - but for a character that has had no classics style interpretation yet.

After seeing the Botcon Overlord, and being totally underwhelmed, I was just thinking that a third party should have totally done a new Overlord by now - he's an incredibly popular (since LSotW) leader-type character that hasn't seen an update since G1. And for a second I had my hopes up when I saw the blue and white colours of this reveal...but alas.

GetRightRobot wrote:

Oilspill wrote:Got a link?

better yet:

Cheers!
PS I updated my post with a side-by-side (assuming it is OK to link to FPs pics).

Oilspill wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:

Oilspill wrote:Got a link?

better yet:

Cheers!
PS I updated my post with a side-by-side (assuming it is OK to link to FPs pics).

Nice 'shop job. If that is indeed what FansProject are making, then I'll consider getting it as WFC Magnus.

GetRightRobot wrote:

Oilspill wrote:

GetRightRobot wrote:So you have seen the photoshop'd comparisons?

Got a link?

better yet:

Still not impressed...