Original Sin wrote:Then why is Arcee considered female?
being a soldier isn't feminine
Mattamus Prime wrote:I'm just not sure why everyone is so damn attached to Arcee. I mean give me a break... there were a total of like three females in the G1 cartoon. She wasn't even in the cartoon until later anyway.
I'm not necessarily opposed to Arcee.... and obviously the people doing TF #1 didn't either. Supposedly she almost made it into the film right????
But does someone want to throw me some ideas on how "female" transformers work? It sounds like another "oh **** how do we make this work" concept. I'm looking for TF knowledge. Any ideas???
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Tazirai wrote:Most of the people opposed to female transformers
1) See nothing wrong with male transformers (hypocrites)
2) Feel threatened by the idea of Female robots.
3) Don't realize the first robot EVER filmed was female.
4) Dont realize the second robot ever filmed was female.
5) Have Gender ID issues.
6) Can't or wont understand that female is a mental thing.
7) Need to grow up and stop thinking a female bot "HAS" to look female.
Tazirai wrote:Most of the people opposed to female transformers
1) See nothing wrong with male transformers (hypocrites)
2) Feel threatened by the idea of Female robots.
3) Don't realize the first robot EVER filmed was female.
4) Dont realize the second robot ever filmed was female.
5) Have Gender ID issues.
6) Can't or wont understand that female is a mental thing.
7) Need to grow up and stop thinking a female bot "HAS" to look female.
Need to read this page. And yes Wiki is valid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynoid
with that said, I don't mind female transformers, as long as they arent the cliched bad ass or weakling. Just give me a well written gynoid, with good dialogue and a modicrum of development.
but I realize trying to be rational with some people doesnt work.
PS: Being an Ex-soldier I do know that females make better combat pilots than guys. But we rock in melee situations.. if we can fight at all that is. ^^
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Mattamus Prime wrote:Okay I get it...
the first robot was female... I don't give a rats ass about Metropolis. This is transformers... I just want to know how they MIGHT... be able to make the "CONCEPT" work. It's a tough one!
And thank god I'm out of college so I don't ever have to watch Metropolis for another film class again. I understand it's impact but F***!!! That **** is so boring when you've got a hangover from some party the night before and you have to watch that **** at 9:00 AM. I'll make sure to be really ... REALLY frickin high... or I'll be sure to eat a **** load of boomers first if I ever have to watch that old ass movie again.
And yes... it's Japanese Anime... make her look female... at least a little. I'm not saying she needs to have some big ol titties and a skimpy outfit... just make her face look "less" like the Metropolis chic and more female... "it's all in the eyes."
Scene Description:
The comet landed in the same location as many others.
Bumble Bee and Ultramagnus, rolled to the spot and transformed to welcome the new arrival. Along with Mikaela and Sam. Close but not that close to a highway. New arrivals could pick from an array of vehicles.
Bumble Bee : Earth year 2009 Honda Accord, Nice mode.
Ultra Magnus: Welcome to the Earth, I am Ultramagnus You are?
Mikaela: Lovin' that pearl white. (Smirking slightly)
Sam: It is pretty nice lookin.
Siren : I am Siren and thank you.
Mikaela: (In shock) WHOA! WHOA! You sound like a girl. Didn't know you guys had chick bots.
Mikaela: Wait, why DO you guys have chick bots?
--Insert lame michael bay style joke.
Siren: On cybertron I was communications and first contact specialist. I chose this form to better communicate, with Earth natives. As females of your species seem open to communicate more than the males.
Mikaela: (Looks at Sam and crosses her arms)
Sam: What?
Ultra Magnus: Come Siren we have need of your unique talents. Prime will want to meet you.
Siren: THE Optimus Prime? Oh I'd be honored.
All Transform.... Mikalea Rides in Siren. Looks dissaprovingly at Sam.
Sam: What? What did I do?
syphonn wrote:I have nothing against female transformers, but with the way how they made their origins, it just leaves too many questions, and questions that the creative team will again do a half-assed no thought answers to. As someone already stated, with the G1 concept of consumer and military bots that made alot more sense if you want to have female bots ... look at the robots in Japan, they have female-esque characteristics based on the role they are in (not trying to be sexist either). But with the Allspark creating the robots it opens up a whole lot of questions when you get into the gender issue ...
- Is the cube conscious?
- Does it understand the concept of Gender?
- Are gender associated colors universal, with Arcee being a shade of pink?
- Does it randomly assign gender
- Why would it assign gender if they don't need it for pleasure or to reproduce?
- With Bumblebee dispensing fluid from where he did, would Arcee have to squat to do the same, obviously they wanted it to look like he was peeing from some sort of robot penis
I'm sure you can fill in the ones I missed
Original Sin wrote:Then why is Arcee considered female?
being a soldier isn't feminine
Mario: F%$k you Freddie. You'll never see this again. After a quick paint job and new tires, I wont even recognize it.
(Startles at a rustle in the trees)
Mario: What tha...? COME OUT whoever you are. (Standing waving a pistol)
Voice: Do not fear Mario, Freddie deserves everything you are giving him.
Mario: Lady I swear... Hey..how do you know Freddi? and who tha f%$k are you?
(Mario retreats backwards and trips over the bike as tall mechanoid moves towards him)
Mario: ..oh no..Please.. i ..I..
Robot: (Moving towards Mario Then Kneeling and holding his chin gently.)
I know all about you.. and Freddie to. I know of your rivalry.
Robot: I will help you Mario Butler of Tavern court.. But first we need to get Freddie.
Mario( Still in shock and fear. Swears he sees the robot smile.)
The Protoform then Scans the bike and Changes shape..color..
Robot: I will need a name Mario Butler...If you please.
Mario: A .. a name..? name... (looks at the Bike) Katana...do you..?
Katana: Katana.. yes That will work. Now take Freddies..bike. I will be here waiting for him. Tomorrow he will have ... an accident. And then I will be yours.
The words were robotic.. yet feminine, calming, and hypnotizing. "She" stood and lifted the bike for him.
Mario: Tomorrow?
Katana: Tomorrow. (She said before Transforming into a likeness of Freddies bike.)
Katana: Primitives..ugh!.
Mattamus Prime wrote:I'm not necessarily opposed to Arcee.... and obviously the people doing TF #1 didn't either. Supposedly she almost made it into the film right????
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