tomservo wrote:What a spirited debate we have going here! To think, this is all over a few character designs. If a new trailer comes out, there might be blood spilled.
Nah. I think the major war was last year. These are just minor scraps.
tomservo wrote:What a spirited debate we have going here! To think, this is all over a few character designs. If a new trailer comes out, there might be blood spilled.
Milanion wrote:tomservo wrote:What a spirited debate we have going here! To think, this is all over a few character designs. If a new trailer comes out, there might be blood spilled.
Nah. I think the major war was last year. These are just minor scraps.
Ironhidensh wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:And if someone is going to go about insisting that it's superior to what came before it, fine, but they should at least have seen what they're comparing it to. Some of the Showa Godzilla films were cheap, yes, but to dismiss the Heisei films as 'rubber suits and cardboard buildings' it becomes obvious he hasn't seen them.
I've seen damn near every Godzilla film. I know full well what I'm comparing it to. When you place the old against the '98 movie, the old is cheap rubber suits and cardboard sets.
Now, that doesn't devalue your rose colored vision of it, but its still a rose colored vision. Just because you read something into a franchise, doesn't mean everyone else will as well, and it doesn't make you superior to them for not having the same interpretation.
Then Predator and the first two Alien films are crappy movies with cheap suits and cardboard sets, compared to the majesty of the special effects might of Godzilla or Van Helsing, right?
Godzilla flopped for a reason. Pretending it didn't doesn't change anything.
I hope you aren't tying to suggest that the "effects" and costumes of the old Godzilla movies are on par with Predator and the Alien films, are you?
Spoon wrote:Frenzy looks like it will fall apart when someone coughs in it's general direction.
Ironhide looks the least terrible of the bunch.
Meh,
I'll go torrent this stuf... Cause I am a Pirate
Shadowman
Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:33 pm
EDIT:
Sorry, I didn't quite specify:
Three people just made large posts about why they should've made a sequel to a series most Americans aren't familiar with.
Riotflea wrote:
Anyway, slightly off-topic, ...Is it illegal to kick people in the nuts who say movies that make good financial returns MUST be "good"?
Seriously, Godzilla, probably like transformers will, made alkot of money (initially) due to HEAVY marketing and household name recognition.
But it DID also suck.
Zuko wrote:Woohoo for explosions, tiny plot and transforming robots beating the piss out of each other!
What a spirited debate we have going here! To think, this is all over a few character designs. If a new trailer comes out, there might be blood spilled.
Isn't final wars the one that's supposed to have G2000 vs GINO(Godzilla in name only)?D-340 wrote:Zuko wrote:Woohoo for explosions, tiny plot and transforming robots beating the piss out of each other!
YEEHAW!!!!!!!What a spirited debate we have going here! To think, this is all over a few character designs. If a new trailer comes out, there might be blood spilled.
I was thinkin' of a witty response to this, but hell, with the way things are going now you may be right.
@Down_Shift, recommended Godzilla viewing:
Gojira(they just released a 2-disc set with this and Godzilla:King of the Monsters. Gojira is far superior.)
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destroyah
Godzilla 2000
Godzilla against Mechagodzilla
Godzilla GMK
These are my personal favs. And do yourself a favor, stay far, VERY FAR away from Godzilla 98. Anyone out there see Final Wars, I have yet to?
D-340 wrote:
I was thinkin' of a witty response to this, but hell, with the way things are going now you may be right.
@Down_Shift, recommended Godzilla viewing:
Gojira(they just released a 2-disc set with this and Godzilla:King of the Monsters. Gojira is far superior.)
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
Godzilla vs. Spacegodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destroyah
Godzilla 2000
Godzilla against Mechagodzilla
Godzilla GMK
These are my personal favs. And do yourself a favor, stay far, VERY FAR away from Godzilla 98. Anyone out there see Final Wars, I have yet to?
Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Zuko wrote:Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.
I bought Final Wars as soon as it came out. The references to past films (like the alien antagonists,
DesalationReborn wrote:Zuko wrote:Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"
DesalationReborn wrote:
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"
Riotflea wrote:That reminds me... Final Wars inspired me to make a gif of it back then.
In 2 ways, i feel it is appropriate for this topic.
(spelling error intentional)
AbsumZer0 wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"
True, but it also had a ton of plot-holes (like how Waspinator managed to get to Cybertron), unnecessary retcons, Primal constantly rambling on like a hippie, an angsty teen character 100x more annoying than Cheetor ever was, Botanica, and the fire always looked like opaque plastic. For every 1 thing it did right there were 3 things wrong.
DesalationReborn wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:DesalationReborn wrote:
Beast Machines at least had a plot besides "OH NOSE--IT'S UNYCRONE!!!"
True, but it also had a ton of plot-holes (like how Waspinator managed to get to Cybertron), unnecessary retcons, Primal constantly rambling on like a hippie, an angsty teen character 100x more annoying than Cheetor ever was, Botanica, and the fire always looked like opaque plastic. For every 1 thing it did right there were 3 things wrong.
But it is still was light-years above anything from RiD and after.
Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Phategod1 wrote:Completly off-topic but I hated RiD too. If I wanted anime-crap I'd watch DBZ. Transformers did not, does not need to be Anime-ish and before anyone chimes in and says that G1 was anime. Im talking about those stupid japanimation "wild takes" (sweat Bubbles and other non-sense.)That plus there was too many humans. Beast wars and Beast machines had the right amount of Humes. NONE.
Zuko wrote:Phategod1 wrote:can I ask a question? How can someone be a fan of something for 20 years, and not be care about how its treated on celluloid. How can you invest hundreds of dollars on toys, Spend hundreds of hour on websites dedicated to it, but when it comes to the movie you don't demand quality? What if you spent $200.00 for MP prime and it fell apart the minute you took it out of the box? Why is Spiderman treated like the Holy Grail? It has nothing to do with how popular one series is over another It has to do with Director and Writer Competency. The thing is a lot of the "Fans" don't demand quality. But at least they (fans with low standards)can "enjoy the movie"
Because we haven't had quality in a Transformers show since Beast Wars.
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