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See what I'm saying? Fandoms can't see past their own unreasonable expectations, to the point that they just don't know how to enjoy a movie.

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Sorry, I didn't quite specify:

Three people just made large posts about why they should've made a sequel to a series most Americans aren't familiar with.

frenzy looks like a battle droid from starwars ep 1 with lots of sharp
things hanging off his body. they need to make him more like the terminater with more substance and not some skinny frail robot that looks like he might change into a swiss army knife

what ever you do don't shake hands with frenzy

Hot_Rod wrote:Angry Films and Dreamworks however do not seem to know what works or simply don't want to acknowlege it, and I think that will come back to bite them in the a$$ this summer.

I think they know what works, it just doesn't jive with what you want. That's the "subjective view of Transformers" I was talking about.

Shadowman wrote:See what I'm saying? Fandoms can't see past their own unreasonable expectations, to the point that they just don't know how to enjoy a movie.

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't quite specify:

Three people just made large posts about why they should've made a sequel to a series most Americans aren't familiar with.

A series most Americans aren't familiar with? Are you like 14 years old or something? When the Tristar Godzilla was released it was roundly trounced by critics for not being true to the original series. Even people who liked it were honest about it being nothing like the Godzilla they were used to. One of the reasons the film got the go-ahead in the first place was because a little Louisiana-based company called Trendmasters had been making a killing for years by marketing figures based on Godzilla. The same Godzilla you claim 'most Americans aren't familiar with' and the same Godzilla that was regularly featured in domestically released video games and even had a American cheesy cartoon run for 3 years during the late 70's-early 80's. One of the reasons Trendmasters is no more is because they bought the toy license for the crappy Tristar Godzilla film.

And no, it didn't have to be a sequel, but if they were going to make a Godzilla movie that actually featured Godzilla, then they wouldn't have needed to go into some intricate backstory explaining what he was and why he was there. It isn't Lord of the Rings, it's a giant monster movie. Nobody would have been confused by the plot if they'd simply skipped all the unnecessary 'wow, it's the real world and there's giant monsters' and simply gone straight to 'giant monsters are beating the crap out of one another, send in the airforce'. The fact that you think an on-screen background story is necessary and yet you actually consider Van Helsing and The Mummy Returns to be good films is mind-boggling.

Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:In a way frenzy transforms. He can cast a hologram over himself to look like a human. So he "Transforms" into a human. And im sure there isnt just one frenzy. Each D-CON has to have at least one so it looks like someone is driveing them.

So he's a Pretender!? On the bright side, he could have been an octopus in a diving helmet.

tomservo wrote:

Megatron_Wolf wrote:In a way frenzy transforms. He can cast a hologram over himself to look like a human. So he "Transforms" into a human. And im sure there isnt just one frenzy. Each D-CON has to have at least one so it looks like someone is driveing them.

So he's a Pretender!? On the bright side, he could have been an octopus in a diving helmet.

Seriously though, I don't think Frenzy is a holo-anything. He's just a freaky bot with killer CDs.

Shadowman wrote:Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Oooooh. ZING!

AbsumZer0 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Oooooh. ZING!

He has a point. Let me ask you, why do you feel the need to try and ruin the movie, or force your belief in a movie being bad on everyone else. Are you so awesome that your point of view is the only right one? Why can you not accept that some fans like this movie? That some people like Godzilla '98, and consider it far superior to what came before? Why are you so arrogant and prickish?

Hot_Rod wrote:
And I just wish the Fandom would be honestly united at least for a moment.

Won't happen. The haters are unable to accept that some people like this movie, and that some don't share their interpretation of what Transformers should be.

AbsumZer0 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Oooooh. ZING!

Shadowman's got a real point though. A lot of us are going to enjoy the movie, and a lot of us aren't (although I suspect almost all of us will see it regardless.) However, I think a lot (not all) of the people who aren't going to enjoy it, aren't going to enjoy it for the wrong reasons - because it isn't G1.

I laugh, because I know that thousands of movie-loving kiddies will be on their way to this forum soon to let everyone here know that TFM2007 roxxors!1!11! and is the "definitive" version of Transformers.

It doesn't really matter whether the fanbase likes the movie or not. We'll all line up to see it opening day, the studio knows that. 95% of the movie going public won't know or care that Frenzy doesn't look right or that Megatron doesn't act like Megatron. The movie will have lots of big explosions, car chases, load music and paper thin characters which is exactly what makes a summer blockbuster.

Godzilla 98 did good business, it made lots of money. But as a Godzilla movie it is a total failure, and honestly its not even a good sci-fi/giant critter movie.

Hype sells, explosions sell. Internet fanboys will never make or break a movie and the studios know it. I hope Transformers is awesome and totally puts my fears to rest. But I suspect it will be another noisy piece of hollywood fluff with the Transformers name attached.

Woohoo for explosions, tiny plot and transforming robots beating the piss out of each other!

briizilla wrote:It doesn't really matter whether the fanbase likes the movie or not. We'll all line up to see it opening day, the studio knows that. 95% of the movie going public won't know or care that Frenzy doesn't look right or that Megatron doesn't act like Megatron. The movie will have lots of big explosions, car chases, load music and paper thin characters which is exactly what makes a summer blockbuster.

Godzilla 98 did good business, it made lots of money. But as a Godzilla movie it is a total failure, and honestly its not even a good sci-fi/giant critter movie.

Hype sells, explosions sell. Internet fanboys will never make or break a movie and the studios know it. I hope Transformers is awesome and totally puts my fears to rest. But I suspect it will be another noisy piece of hollywood fluff with the Transformers name attached.

Thank you for taking the red pill.

briizilla wrote:But I suspect it will be another noisy piece of hollywood fluff with the Transformers name attached.

And how would it be any different? It's giant robots fighting a war, half of which are out for human blood, and above all, it's coming out in summer, which is Mindless Action Movie Season. What would you expect it to be?

They never had a choice but to make it a popcorn action flick. You're only making it harder on yourself for hoping otherwise.

Ironhidensh wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Oooooh. ZING!

He has a point. Let me ask you, why do you feel the need to try and ruin the movie, or force your belief in a movie being bad on everyone else. Are you so awesome that your point of view is the only right one? Why can you not accept that some fans like this movie? That some people like Godzilla '98, and consider it far superior to what came before? Why are you so arrogant and prickish?

He can enjoy the film. Everyone has a right to enjoy whatever they want. But if he's going to try and validate Tristar's Godzilla as great by slamming the original series as cheesy while completely missing the point of the comparison people have made, then yeah, I'm going to call it for what it is. Practically everyone involved in the making of the Tristar Godzilla lost money and credibility over it. In failed because it didn't remain true to the original franchise in any way. It isn't an altogether unwatchable film and there was plenty of talented people involved but the mistakes that were made were huge and could have been completely avoided. Even the people who made the bloody movie will tell you that.

And if someone is going to go about insisting that it's superior to what came before it, fine, but they should at least have seen what they're comparing it to. Some of the Showa Godzilla films were cheap, yes, but to dismiss the Heisei films as 'rubber suits and cardboard buildings' it becomes obvious he hasn't seen them. The dialogue and the hokey mysticism are fair-game (they are made primarily for older children and young adolescents, after all) but the costumes are on-par, if not exceeding, what was done in films like Predator and the first 2 Alien films. The 'cardboard buildings' are intricate scale models that would put most special effects scale model builders here in the states to shame.

Do they have the dazzling cgi of the Tristar Godzilla? No, but apart from tradition they can't afford to invest $150 million on a film whose primary audience is a nation as small as Japan. Instead they're making entire films with the budget of what an American producer would spend to sign Tom Cruise.

Again, if you're going to come out all high-and-mighty and insist that your unpopular opinion is gospel then you'd best know what it is you're talking about.

AbsumZer0 wrote:And if someone is going to go about insisting that it's superior to what came before it, fine, but they should at least have seen what they're comparing it to. Some of the Showa Godzilla films were cheap, yes, but to dismiss the Heisei films as 'rubber suits and cardboard buildings' it becomes obvious he hasn't seen them.

I've seen damn near every Godzilla film. I know full well what I'm comparing it to. When you place the old against the '98 movie, the old is cheap rubber suits and cardboard sets.


Now, that doesn't devalue your rose colored vision of it, but its still a rose colored vision. Just because you read something into a franchise, doesn't mean everyone else will as well, and it doesn't make you superior to them for not having the same interpretation.

Milanion wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:Whatever. At least I know how to enjoy a movie.

Oooooh. ZING!

Shadowman's got a real point though. A lot of us are going to enjoy the movie, and a lot of us aren't (although I suspect almost all of us will see it regardless.) However, I think a lot (not all) of the people who aren't going to enjoy it, aren't going to enjoy it for the wrong reasons - because it isn't G1.

I laugh, because I know that thousands of movie-loving kiddies will be on their way to this forum soon to let everyone here know that TFM2007 roxxors!1!11! and is the "definitive" version of Transformers.

I didn't enjoy Van Helsing or The Mummy Returns not because I don't like classic Universal monsters, I didn't enjoy them because I'm not a real big fan of loud, obnoxious movies with mediocre SFX and rapid-fire cheesy one-liners. I didn't enjoy Godzilla not because it wasn't 'the Godzilla', I didn't enjoy it simply because it had nothing else going for it except impressive special effects and Jean Reno. If it were truer to the original Godzilla I admit I would have liked it slightly more, but I expect I'd have still been tremendously disappointed.

The way I see the Transformers movie, I think I could forgive the change in appearance if it had something more than flashy special effects going for it. As it is, everything from the cast, to the director, to what we've seen of the script looks like another mediocre summer movie that may or may not bring in enough money to warrant a sequel. Will it look good? Probably, but if I want to spend 10 bucks on eye-candy (20 if I bring a date) I'll stay home and rent a couple striptease videos on cable instead.

Frenzy looks like it will fall apart when someone coughs in it's general direction.
Ironhide looks the least terrible of the bunch.

Meh,
I'll go torrent this stuf... Cause I am a Pirate

Ironhidensh wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:And if someone is going to go about insisting that it's superior to what came before it, fine, but they should at least have seen what they're comparing it to. Some of the Showa Godzilla films were cheap, yes, but to dismiss the Heisei films as 'rubber suits and cardboard buildings' it becomes obvious he hasn't seen them.

I've seen damn near every Godzilla film. I know full well what I'm comparing it to. When you place the old against the '98 movie, the old is cheap rubber suits and cardboard sets.


Now, that doesn't devalue your rose colored vision of it, but its still a rose colored vision. Just because you read something into a franchise, doesn't mean everyone else will as well, and it doesn't make you superior to them for not having the same interpretation.

Then Predator and the first two Alien films are crappy movies with cheap suits and cardboard sets, compared to the majesty of the special effects might of Godzilla or Van Helsing, right?

Godzilla flopped for a reason. Pretending it didn't doesn't change anything.

AbsumZer0 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:And if someone is going to go about insisting that it's superior to what came before it, fine, but they should at least have seen what they're comparing it to. Some of the Showa Godzilla films were cheap, yes, but to dismiss the Heisei films as 'rubber suits and cardboard buildings' it becomes obvious he hasn't seen them.

I've seen damn near every Godzilla film. I know full well what I'm comparing it to. When you place the old against the '98 movie, the old is cheap rubber suits and cardboard sets.


Now, that doesn't devalue your rose colored vision of it, but its still a rose colored vision. Just because you read something into a franchise, doesn't mean everyone else will as well, and it doesn't make you superior to them for not having the same interpretation.

Then Predator and the first two Alien films are crappy movies with cheap suits and cardboard sets, compared to the majesty of the special effects might of Godzilla or Van Helsing, right?

Godzilla flopped for a reason. Pretending it didn't doesn't change anything.

I hope you aren't tying to suggest that the "effects" and costumes of the old Godzilla movies are on par with Predator and the Alien films, are you?

Spoon wrote:Frenzy looks like it will fall apart when someone coughs in it's general direction.
Ironhide looks the least terrible of the bunch.

Meh,
I'll go torrent this stuf... Cause I am a Pirate

Holy Sh*t... Best video ever!!!

Ironhidensh wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:

AbsumZer0 wrote:And if someone is going to go about insisting that it's superior to what came before it, fine, but they should at least have seen what they're comparing it to. Some of the Showa Godzilla films were cheap, yes, but to dismiss the Heisei films as 'rubber suits and cardboard buildings' it becomes obvious he hasn't seen them.

I've seen damn near every Godzilla film. I know full well what I'm comparing it to. When you place the old against the '98 movie, the old is cheap rubber suits and cardboard sets.


Now, that doesn't devalue your rose colored vision of it, but its still a rose colored vision. Just because you read something into a franchise, doesn't mean everyone else will as well, and it doesn't make you superior to them for not having the same interpretation.

Then Predator and the first two Alien films are crappy movies with cheap suits and cardboard sets, compared to the majesty of the special effects might of Godzilla or Van Helsing, right?

Godzilla flopped for a reason. Pretending it didn't doesn't change anything.

I hope you aren't tying to suggest that the "effects" and costumes of the old Godzilla movies are on par with Predator and the Alien films, are you?

If they are, then they haven't seen any of the Alien or Predator movies.

I can see huge differences in quality between the Predator suit and Godzilla.

Predator comes out on top. By far.

What a spirited debate we have going here! To think, this is all over a few character designs. If a new trailer comes out, there might be blood spilled.