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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby o.supreme » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:09 pm

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The art is definitely an improvement on what was seen in the first few issues, not enough to get me to start reading however.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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o.supreme wrote:The art is definitely an improvement on what was seen in the first few issues, not enough to get me to start reading however.



Honestly, in good conscience I couldn't recommend this book. Between this and 2.0, I don't think IDW are doing justice to the franchise of late. Clearly money is a factor and the talent is either inexperienced and/or cheap.

Personally, as far as respecting licensed IP. I would suggest Transformers being given to Dark Horse. They did fantastic stuff with Star Wars, Conan, Hellboy etc (before the former two were poached by Disney). I think they could do much the same for the bots of Cybertron.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby o.supreme » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:33 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Honestly, in good conscience I couldn't recommend this book. Between this and 2.0, I don't think IDW are doing justice to the franchise of late. Clearly money is a factor and the talent is either inexperienced and/or cheap.

Personally, as far as respecting licensed IP. I would suggest Transformers being given to Dark Horse. They did fantastic stuff with Star Wars, Conan, Hellboy etc (before the former two were poached by Disney). I think they could do much the same for the bots of Cybertron.


I've not read a single 2.0 story. Honestly, after the first continuity ended, I kept all the IDW books (450+ of them), in boxes in my closet for over a year, never looking back at a single one, which is why I decided to sell them. Unfortunately in the Purge I also sold most of my Marvel and DW collection as well. I do regret that a bit, but if I could get them back digitally, that would suffice.

Seems like most of the more talented individuals from the bigger publishers (Marvel and DC) are being poached by smaller businesses like Substack. Will it last? Is it viable? Who knows? In the past I'd agree that Dark Horse was a great publisher. I enjoyed their Godzilla series in the 90's quite a bit. But in the current environment, I am unsure. Comics overall have really gone down in quality, especially in the last 5-10 years, I really can't point to any story from any publisher that compelled me to read it.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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I have read everything Transformers upto the Devastator storyline (Transformers Galaxies), thanks to the Part Work. But if asked for IDW Transformers recommendations, my go-to options haven't changed: Last Stand of the Wreckers and Furman's -Ations run. Nothing else since 2005 has screamed "Transformers" to me, from their entire output.

It takes a great creative team to make a noteworthy book in this day and age. Strange Adventures from DC and Immortal Hulk from Marvel, being very strong examples. A publisher brand alone doesn't cut it like it used to. If anything, I'd recommend IDW for their TMNT work.

Back when Image was formed in the 90's, it was for a purpose. To continue further splintering the industry into smaller and smaller entities, won't end well. "Too many cooks" and all that...
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:15 pm

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I got the impression that this BW series was aimed squarely at the younger members of the TF community (those that weren't around when the show first aired).

For me, I wish they had retold, with whatever caveats were needed, the BW2 and Neo stories, and tied both the story and art style into the excellent DW/IDW Beast Wars comics that came out before this new series. I would also have loved to read a continuation of that the IDW/DW universe, with new stories, using obscure/underutilized characters. The writers could then go nuts with new characters, or bringing in new BW/BM versions of existing G1/BM characters, etc. Basically, post BC Wreckers, and all that. It could have blossomed into its own full series...
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby o.supreme » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:22 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:I got the impression that this BW series was aimed squarely at the younger members of the TF community (those that weren't around when the show first aired).

For me, I wish they had retold, with whatever caveats were needed, the BW2 and Neo stories, and tied both the story and art style into the excellent DW/IDW Beast Wars comics that came out before this new series.


As far as I am aware, the only BW story in DW was in the 20th anniversary one-shot that had multiple stories from different continuities. There was a fan vote for next regular series (BW vs RiD), in which BW won, but the series never materialized.

I did enjoy IDW Gathering/Ascending as well. I sold the individual books, but kept the MTMTE/Universe styled profile books.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:50 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:I got the impression that this BW series was aimed squarely at the younger members of the TF community (those that weren't around when the show first aired).

For me, I wish they had retold, with whatever caveats were needed, the BW2 and Neo stories, and tied both the story and art style into the excellent DW/IDW Beast Wars comics that came out before this new series.


As far as I am aware, the only BW story in DW was in the 20th anniversary one-shot that had multiple stories from different continuities. There was a fan vote for next regular series (BW vs RiD), in which BW won, but the series never materialized.

I did enjoy IDW Gathering/Ascending as well. I sold the individual books, but kept the MTMTE/Universe styled profile books.


"The story for this series was a significant revamp of the scripts which Furman previously submitted to Dreamwave Productions for what was to be titled Shell Game. Selected artwork that Figueroa submitted for these original scripts was reused in the rewritten issues. Originally the plot was to tie into "Ain't No Rat". "

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers,_B ... _Gathering )

That's why I wrote "DW/IDW", as the IDW comic had very close ties with the abandoned/unpublished DW BW project. Arguably, one could say it WAS the DW story, which was simply finished by IDW.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby o.supreme » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:54 pm

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"significant Revamp" as in not the same, as it would have been if it had been Published by DW.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:00 pm

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o.supreme wrote:"significant Revamp" as in not the same, as it would have been if it had been Published by DW.


The point is that the stories were a joint DW/IDW creation. I don't recall stating they were "the same".
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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primalxconvoy wrote:I got the impression that this BW series was aimed squarely at the younger members of the TF community (those that weren't around when the show first aired).



To be fair, that is exactly the demographic I hear from reading the letters page. I don't think any of these letters reflect someone with long standing appreciation for what Beast Wars is and was, in the 90's.

Anyway, issue seven. A marked improvement, art-wise obviously. The interpersonal dialogue is still off and lacklustre. Concerning the Predacons in particular, I'm not getting any personality at all from their exchanges. Scorponok was awful in the show. But at least he stood out. Terrorsaur has a little characterisation. But it is just filling the trope of "bully". Honestly, Scold just needs to be written out. In a sufficiently apt way to her ham-fisted focus...

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The second improvement to this is the story itself. We have a new origin story for Blackarachnia. I'll overlook how Burnham clearly doesn't understand how Stasis Pods actually work (stuff like this makes him sound as much a fan of Beast Wars as Kevin Smith is of He-Man). For the first time in seven issues, I am interested to see where this goes though. Although it does speak volumes that the only character I'm suddenly interested in, in this book, is BA. A character I don't actually like. 6.5/10
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:59 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:I got the impression that this BW series was aimed squarely at the younger members of the TF community (those that weren't around when the show first aired).



To be fair, that is exactly the demographic I hear from reading the letters page. I don't think any of these letters reflect someone with long standing appreciation for what Beast Wars is and was, in the 90's.

Anyway, issue seven. A marked improvement, art-wise obviously. The interpersonal dialogue is still off and lacklustre. Concerning the Predacons in particular, I'm not getting any personality at all from their exchanges. Scorponok was awful in the show. But at least he stood out. Terrorsaur has a little characterisation. But it is just filling the trope of "bully". Honestly, Scold just needs to be written out. In a sufficiently apt way to her ham-fisted focus...

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The second improvement to this is the story itself. We have a new origin story for Blackarachnia. I'll overlook how Burnham clearly doesn't understand how Stasis Pods actually work (stuff like this makes him sound as much a fan of Beast Wars as Kevin Smith is of He-Man). For the first time in seven issues, I am interested to see where this goes though. Although it does speak volumes that the only character I'm suddenly interested in, in this book, is BA. A character I don't actually like. 6.5/10


It's odd that they shingle have gone after the younger demographic, when, fun what I recall, younger readers are less likely to buy comics these days, as opposed to older demographics.

As for Kevin Smith, however, I disagree. I think the recent 1st half of his new MOTU mini-series was great and showed an eye for the details and lore already established in the expanded MOTU world, but each to their own.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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primalxconvoy wrote:It's odd that they shingle have gone after the younger demographic, when, fun what I recall, younger readers are less likely to buy comics these days, as opposed to older demographics.


Again, all the more puzzling as this is supposed to be made as per the celebration of the 25th anniversary. Yet it isn't. The way this plays out is in a similar vein to when those writing for Beast Machines were told not to adhere to Beast Wars characterisation. You can't sell something as a sequel or homage, if you have no intention of putting the effort in.

primalxconvoy wrote:As for Kevin Smith, however, I disagree. I think the recent 1st half of his new MOTU mini-series was great and showed an eye for the details and lore already established in the expanded MOTU world, but each to their own.


The problem there, is that isn't what it was sold as. It was sold as a continuation of Filmation. Which it isn't. If someone had said this was a follow up to the 200X series, that would have been a more honest appraisal. Personally, I have no horse in the race either way. My He-Man was New Adventures. Didn't care for Filmation in comparison. To me, aesthetically, it was the difference between Spider-Man TAS and the 60's cartoon.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:02 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:It's odd that they shingle have gone after the younger demographic, when, fun what I recall, younger readers are less likely to buy comics these days, as opposed to older demographics.


Again, all the more puzzling as this is supposed to be made as per the celebration of the 25th anniversary. Yet it isn't. The way this plays out is in a similar vein to when those writing for Beast Machines were told not to adhere to Beast Wars characterisation. You can't sell something as a sequel or homage, if you have no intention of putting the effort in.

primalxconvoy wrote:As for Kevin Smith, however, I disagree. I think the recent 1st half of his new MOTU mini-series was great and showed an eye for the details and lore already established in the expanded MOTU world, but each to their own.


The problem there, is that isn't what it was sold as. It was sold as a continuation of Filmation. Which it isn't. If someone had said this was a follow up to the 200X series, that would have been a more honest appraisal. Personally, I have no horse in the race either way. My He-Man was New Adventures. Didn't care for Filmation in comparison. To me, aesthetically, it was the difference between Spider-Man TAS and the 60's cartoon.


Thank you for your opinion. I'm not sure if you've posted there, but there's a thread about it, if you're interested:

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Five Page Preview of IDW Beast Wars #8

Postby ScottyP » Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:53 am

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Be ready to get out of stasis lock tomorrow when Transformers: Beast Wars #8 arrives from IDW Publishing. Those familiar with the Beast Wars story know what to expect for awhile, and that's a fight over the orbiting stasis pods safeguarding Maximal protoforms. Whether this new iteration will stay on this story beat for as long as the cartoon did is yet to be seen, but based on this preview and the synopsis just below, it looks like at least this next issue will look to that as its focus.

(W) Erik Burnham (A) Winston Chan (CA) Andrew Griffith
"Pod," part two! Blackarachnia has made her way to the Maximal ship, the Axalon, and encountered her first Maximal, Cheetor. Now she's gone missing again and it's up to the whole crew to find the mysteriously disappearing spider... before she finds them!

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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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Seems like this could be a Die Hard type story, only with the good and bad guy roles reversed. Which I guess would make it an Alien type story instead.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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It would be very disappointing if that throwaway bit of dialogue from Rattrap is the explanation for Blackarachnia's behaviour.

On the plus side, hopefully some (more than one) new and different characters coming soon.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:42 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It would be very disappointing if that throwaway bit of dialogue from Rattrap is the explanation for Blackarachnia's behaviour.

On the plus side, hopefully some (more than one) new and different characters coming soon.
But we saw Tarantulas do exactly what Rattrap said when he infiltrated the Axalon in Issue 6. And last issue blatantly showed his shell program partially uploaded to Blackarachnia's pod as it landed. What's not to get?
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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As I said, after reading the last issue, Burnham doesn't get how Stasis Pods work. For one thing, how they can't leave orbit on their own.
So it would have been better to do something different with BA. Framing it in such a way, that she thinks she is John McClane on an enemy ship. The enemy faction, to her, being unclear.

They have been trying to set this up as an alternative Beast Wars, not the show. So instead of poorly abridging things the show already did. Go wild and different.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby MaximalNui » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:10 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I said, after reading the last issue, Burnham doesn't get how Stasis Pods work. For one thing, how they can't leave orbit on their own.
So it would have been better to do something different with BA. Framing it in such a way, that she thinks she is John McClane on an enemy ship. The enemy faction, to her, being unclear.

They have been trying to set this up as an alternative Beast Wars, not the show. So instead of poorly abridging things the show already did. Go wild and different.


Wait, so you want them to try and do their own thing instead of trying to follow the original story... but when they don't translate one element from the cartoon 100% and instead set their own rules (how the stasis pods work), you complain about them not following how it worked in the original story? :???:
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IDW Beast Wars #8 Review

Postby ScottyP » Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:39 am

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The title of Beast Wars #8 is "Pod Part 02", as in the second part of a longer story just called "Pod". In my review of issue 7, I took issue with the book's pacing, and the same issues linger here. It's not terribly slow, but things don't pick up quickly with this most recent release either. As the last mention of this for most of the remainder of this particular review, I'll let Blackarachnia share a word for you if you had expectations that this latest installment would avoid the "writing for the trade" pace the series has been taking -

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Blackarachnia: Still Mean

Writer Eric Burnham does well in this issue at making the events that do happen feel engaging. Even with an idea in mind on roughly what will happen (unless you're new to Beast Wars entirely) there's a sense of tension and plenty of character-appropriate dialogue, resulting in a final product that was very easy to get absorbed in. Outside of Nyx who is pure background decoration in this issue, Burnham shows that he knows who these characters are effectively communicates some of their traits as the story moves along.

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"It don't matter. None of this matters."

Without going into spoiler territory, it can be pointed out that while this issue (and presumably this story arc as a whole) is repeating the beat from the show's plot about recovering Maximal Protoforms from orbit, there's enough difference here to be encouraged by what may be yet to come. Put another way, while you may still generally know from point A on page 1 to point B on page 20 that point B was always the destination, there's some road construction on the way with enticing potential for the future.

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Cats: Also Still Mean

The artistic team on issue 8 is the same from 7, meaning Winston Chan's on the lineart again with colors by SidVenBlu and letters by Jake M. Wood. There's a lot to like here, with fun action scenes and a regular helping of close-up character portrayals during the scenes of just dialogue. There's a particular instance where Cheetor's running through the Axalon in cheetah mode and the panel layout has him overlapping multiple panels to express a sense of speed, which was very enjoyable and clever, at least to me. There were some instances again when I thought Chan's expressions went a bit stiff or where some characters' poses looked unnatural that prevent a full helping of solid praise for the art, but in general it's well executed here and still feels consistent with the rest of the series so far.

Cover options include Andrew Griffith's take on Optimus Primal and Megatron duking it out, Martin Gee's Blackarachnia cover which is used for this review's news story's thumbnail, as well as a 10-copy retailer incentive cover featuring both spider Predacons by Ryan Miller. As always, you can find all the cover images and full credits for the issue through our Vector Sigma Database page for Beast Wars #8.

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Slowly, in this case, but sure

Beast Wars #8 was more fun to read than I expected, with just enough beneath the surface layer of plot to make things compelling despite a general overall expectation of events that went mostly fulfilled. The character development is proceeding smartly in most cases and while the art's not by any means perfect this time around it conveys the story effectively while still providing a standout moment or two. I'm excited to see where things develop, but please, please start getting us there quicker.

I really wanted to go up to a 4/5 this time, which is "very good" on my scale, but the pacing just won't allow me to go above the "good" below.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:55 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I said, after reading the last issue, Burnham doesn't get how Stasis Pods work. For one thing, how they can't leave orbit on their own.
It didn't "leave orbit on its own". It started falling because it had received part of the invasive code Tarantulas sent to it, which contained a command for the pod's onboard computer to activate its thrusters and send it down to the planet's surface.

The pods' computers in the cartoon were essentially in sleep mode while in orbit and didn't activate until after the crash-landings. Here, their onboard computers can be accessed with a long-range signal from the ground, a technology the cartoon characters didn't have.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

Postby Nexus Knight » Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:09 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As I said, after reading the last issue, Burnham doesn't get how Stasis Pods work. For one thing, how they can't leave orbit on their own.


Whatever gave you that impression? Just coz we never saw them land on their own in the show, doesn't mean that it isn't possible. It seems to make perfect sense, actually, that the pods have both remote control and thrusters. Since the Axalon had to eject, it is presumable that this is a safety feature designed into the pods for the purpose it was used. Quickly get rid of the pods to keep them safe, they would need not only the ability to track and report on the status of the pod and the protoform within, but make it easy to retrieve. Giving the pods the ability to maneuver on their own makes perfect sense, thus a few commands to the computer's onboard computer to fire thrusters could very wasily send it into the planet's atmosphere.
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Re: New IDW Beast Wars comic series

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william-james88 wrote:I prefer Burcham's art.
Also, not a fan of Burcham's art.



I think it would be interesting to get a bit of artist rotation going in this book. A different one each arc. If these are being "written for trade", then give each trade it's own visual identity.
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