People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I was referring to *comic* Scorponok (I thought the title made it clear ) and in the comics he is just a bit larger than Shockwave. But he is also more of a badass. Still a headmaster, though. I think if Megatron can hit him with a few shots from his fusion cannon, he can take him. But Scorponok is physically stronger, he could beat down Megs in hand-to-hand combat.
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
DinobotKing wrote:Megatron Pwned Fortress Maximus. Hard to imagine he wouldn't do the same to Scorponok.....
Rodimus Prime wrote:DinobotKing wrote:Megatron Pwned Fortress Maximus. Hard to imagine he wouldn't do the same to Scorponok.....
Wasn't the same Megatron. That was Tank Megatron, a much more improved version. And G2. Fortress Maximus, however, did polish off Galvatron, also an improved and upgraded version of Megatron. So i think he could handle Megatron. And if he could, Scorponok definitely could. N_V, I do think Scorponok has the strength advantage, even if only by a little. However, he is more massive and taller, plus he has those big ass claws. Megatron's only chance is his fusion cannon.
DinobotKing wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:DinobotKing wrote:Megatron Pwned Fortress Maximus. Hard to imagine he wouldn't do the same to Scorponok.....
Wasn't the same Megatron. That was Tank Megatron, a much more improved version. And G2. Fortress Maximus, however, did polish off Galvatron, also an improved and upgraded version of Megatron. So i think he could handle Megatron. And if he could, Scorponok definitely could. N_V, I do think Scorponok has the strength advantage, even if only by a little. However, he is more massive and taller, plus he has those big ass claws. Megatron's only chance is his fusion cannon.
Then by your reasoning, Megatron would beat Galvatron.
I also see no evidence Scorponok was physically as strong as Megatron. My impression from the comics was Scorponok was more on the level of Shockwave, and probably would have eventually beaten Shockwave in a close battle.... but still a step below Megatron and Optimus.
Rodimus Prime wrote:DinobotKing wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:DinobotKing wrote:Megatron Pwned Fortress Maximus. Hard to imagine he wouldn't do the same to Scorponok.....
Wasn't the same Megatron. That was Tank Megatron, a much more improved version. And G2. Fortress Maximus, however, did polish off Galvatron, also an improved and upgraded version of Megatron. So i think he could handle Megatron. And if he could, Scorponok definitely could. N_V, I do think Scorponok has the strength advantage, even if only by a little. However, he is more massive and taller, plus he has those big ass claws. Megatron's only chance is his fusion cannon.
Then by your reasoning, Megatron would beat Galvatron.
Yes. Tank Megatron would. That's G2. I was referring to G1.I also see no evidence Scorponok was physically as strong as Megatron. My impression from the comics was Scorponok was more on the level of Shockwave, and probably would have eventually beaten Shockwave in a close battle.... but still a step below Megatron and Optimus.
Well, have you read US Comics issues #72 and #73? Shockwave and Scorponok had an epic fight and Shockwave was about to hand Scorponok his ass before the Neo Knights showed up. Shockwave is definitely superior to Scorponok, and perhaps even Megatron. They only fought once when Megatron was weak and got his ass beat by ol' one-eye, but Prime beat Shockwave in a short battle if you remember US Comic issue #12.
As for Scorponok being physically stronger than G1 Megatron, OK, I will give you that it is debatable. Depends on POV I guess. They're both unstoppable asskicking machines from all the comic fights they have been in. But I was leaning towards Scorponok due to bulk and height.
In the end, based on the fights they have been in in the comics, I still think Scorponok can take Megatron, unless Megatron gets lucky and can kill Scorponok from a distance with his fusion cannon.
DinobotKing wrote:I think you're greatly overestimating a Cobra upgraded Megatron vs. a Unicron upgraded Megatron, but that's another debate.
And I suggest you re-read issues 72 and 73 because you have it backwards. Scorponok, despite being damaged by his base collapsing on him, was still about to hand Shockwave his ass before the Neo Knights arrived. When Shockwave realized he couldn't beat Scorponok one on one, he was counting on Circuit Breaker to cripple Scorponok enough so that he could easily take them both down. The Autobots intervened before Shockwave could fire a finishing shot.
The battle left no doubt Scorponok was superior to Shockwave though.
The battle between Megatron and Shockwave is irrelevant, because Megatron was severely weakened. I seem to recall even Shockwave admit that he couldn't defeat Megatron at full strength, but I don't have the time to find that reference....
Rodimus Prime wrote:DinobotKing wrote:I think you're greatly overestimating a Cobra upgraded Megatron vs. a Unicron upgraded Megatron, but that's another debate.
No overestimation. It happened on the pages of the books. Fortress Maximus beat the crap out of and killed Galvatron. (Issue #79, Last Autobot) Then Tank Megatron beat Max to within an inch of his life, and he barely had enough left for a last desperate attempt to take Megatron with him by breaching the Ark's anti-matter chamber. And even that didn't kill Megatron, whereas Max was wiped out. (G2 issue #2)And I suggest you re-read issues 72 and 73 because you have it backwards. Scorponok, despite being damaged by his base collapsing on him, was still about to hand Shockwave his ass before the Neo Knights arrived. When Shockwave realized he couldn't beat Scorponok one on one, he was counting on Circuit Breaker to cripple Scorponok enough so that he could easily take them both down. The Autobots intervened before Shockwave could fire a finishing shot.
No. Absolutely not. I'll give you half of that. It was Prime who interfered (and I have the comic right in front of me) in order to save people from getting killed in their fight. At that point, the fight was far from over. Yes, Scorponok got the last punch in, but no way was Shockwave defeated. Far from it. Then the Neo Knights arrived, and Scorponok got attacked, and yes, weakened. This left Shockwave open to attack him, and this is what I was referring to earlier, with the final shot, which no doubt would have obliterated Scorponok. At that point Circuit-breaker recognized Shockwave as the one who crippled him, and struck Shockwave with everything she had. But even that didn't kill Shockwave.The battle left no doubt Scorponok was superior to Shockwave though.
It left plenty of doubt. It was a draw due to interference. Shockwave has way more firepower, especially in space cannon mode. Scorponok doesn't even have guns in robot mode, except those flimsy shoulder lasers. I like Scorponok, but he just can't cut it against a ruthless killing machine like Shockwave.The battle between Megatron and Shockwave is irrelevant, because Megatron was severely weakened. I seem to recall even Shockwave admit that he couldn't defeat Megatron at full strength, but I don't have the time to find that reference....
I agree that it is irrelevant, but Shockwave never admitted such a thing. He did say, during their "battle" in issue #6, that even at full strength Megatron couldn't beat him (which I agree with, unless he manages a direct hit with the black hole-powered fusion cannon).
But, back to the original topic, I still say Scorponok wins. Megatron had his better moments in the cartoon and in the beginning parts of the comic (save for the Back From the Dead story arc) before Scorponok arrived.
DinobotKing wrote:The G2 Megs vs. Galvatron battle was the original point, and that NEVER happened. In the Galv- Fort Max battle you refer to you fail to mention Galvatron was significantly damaged and rendered even more insane than usual from the crash (which apparently killed Shockwave btw) so Fort Max was able to take advantage and beat a weakened Galvatron into the ice.
If you think G2 Megatron would defeat a full strength Galvatron
I think you would be in the vast minority.
As for the Scorponok-Shockwave battle, I think most unbiased observers who read through the comic would clearly see a weakened Scorponok was still winning before the Autobot/Neo Knight arrival. Hell, even the cover shows Scorponok pummeling Shockwave. The Knights didn't even bother with Shockwave initially, because Scorpy had already beat him down. Shockwave, smart as he is, realized his insurrection was a joke largely because he couldn't defeat a weakened Scorponok. He clearly stated his new plan to play possum until Scorponok was weak enough to strike again.
And as for the Megatron-Shockwave battle, again you are misremembering things. Megatron said at full strength Shockwave was less than him, which Shockwave didn't dispute (and the logical Shockwave likely would have refuted him if it weren't true).
Honestly, Shockwave is a tough Con no doubt but I don't know why you're elevating him to god-like status among the Decepticon ranks.
Rodimus Prime wrote:No, he's not god-like. Just better than Scorponok.
DinobotKing wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:No, he's not god-like. Just better than Scorponok.
And Megatron, and Galvatron, and the Fallen, and Unicron....
It's amazing Megatron was leader for any period of time with so many underlings who were apparently superior. It's a good thing Shockwave and Scorponok were so honorable (a common Decepticon trait) to let him have his power for so long... very decent of them!
Combat Zero wrote:G1 Megatron took on freakin' Predaking while severely damaged, with ONE SHOT.
G1 Expert wrote:Combat Zero wrote:G1 Megatron took on freakin' Predaking while severely damaged, with ONE SHOT.
That’s true. I always wondered about that and how much of it was artistic license. When Megatron shot Omega it didn’t do anything at all. I think the writers just needed a quick way to wrap the story up.
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