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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Emerje » Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:06 pm

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Nemesis Primal wrote:So leakers are saying there's now plans for SG Soundwave, Blaster, Wheeljack, & Ultra Magnus, but they didn't specify if this subline is continuing or if those are going to be Selects figures or something.

Nice! But probably wont be the molds we want them to be. Soundwave should be an Ironhide retool (either mold would be fine with me), but would probably be a repainted Netflix Soundwave. Blaster would be fine if the Kingdom figure is good. Wheeljack is an easy enough repaint of the ER figure. Ultra Magnus will probably be a repainted Siege or ER Magnus which isn't a great option and there's no telling if they'd retool his head, but if it gets us a Generations Delta Magnus figure at long last then I don't mind him not having the right head.

Off topic, but I lost track of this thread and wanted to add something to the GoBots conversation. All Hasbro got when they bought Tonka was the GoBots name and character names, that's it from the IP. Bandai got the toys and Hanna-Barbera (now Warner Brothers) got the character likenesses. Every time they've used a GoBots deco (Fracture/Crasher, Deadlift/Spoons) they changed the name, and when they used a GoBots name (Bugbite) they changed the deco. It's such a complicated mess, we'll never see Hasbro and WB on the same page let alone all three. I'd love to see Bandai reissue the original figures under Machine Robo if that's what it took to get it done.

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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:05 am

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Emerje wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:So leakers are saying there's now plans for SG Soundwave, Blaster, Wheeljack, & Ultra Magnus, but they didn't specify if this subline is continuing or if those are going to be Selects figures or something.

Nice! But probably wont be the molds we want them to be. Soundwave should be an Ironhide retool (either mold would be fine with me), but would probably be a repainted Netflix Soundwave. Blaster would be fine if the Kingdom figure is good. Wheeljack is an easy enough repaint of the ER figure. Ultra Magnus will probably be a repainted Siege or ER Magnus which isn't a great option and there's no telling if they'd retool his head, but if it gets us a Generations Delta Magnus figure at long last then I don't mind him not having the right head.

Off topic, but I lost track of this thread and wanted to add something to the GoBots conversation. All Hasbro got when they bought Tonka was the GoBots name and character names, that's it from the IP. Bandai got the toys and Hanna-Barbera (now Warner Brothers) got the character likenesses. Every time they've used a GoBots deco (Fracture/Crasher, Deadlift/Spoons) they changed the name, and when they used a GoBots name (Bugbite) they changed the deco. It's such a complicated mess, we'll never see Hasbro and WB on the same page let alone all three. I'd love to see Bandai reissue the original figures under Machine Robo if that's what it took to get it done.

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Action Toys (Apparently formerly Fans Project, yeah, those guys) Have the rights to the Revenge of Chronos Anime. If any Gobots appeared, even for a second, Action Toys have the right to make a figure of them from that anime.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:48 am

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:Action Toys (Apparently formerly Fans Project, yeah, those guys) Have the rights to the Revenge of Chronos Anime. If any Gobots appeared, even for a second, Action Toys have the right to make a figure of them from that anime.


Nice!
So they should get on it then.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:22 am

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Action Toys (Apparently formerly Fans Project, yeah, those guys) Have the rights to the Revenge of Chronos Anime. If any Gobots appeared, even for a second, Action Toys have the right to make a figure of them from that anime.


Nice!
So they should get on it then.
They've been on it since 2015.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby -Kanrabat- » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:59 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Action Toys (Apparently formerly Fans Project, yeah, those guys) Have the rights to the Revenge of Chronos Anime. If any Gobots appeared, even for a second, Action Toys have the right to make a figure of them from that anime.


Nice!
So they should get on it then.
They've been on it since 2015.


I meant they should keep going.
And reissue some.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:30 am

At the risk of going further off topic, the are some generalizations in here that I think are inaccurate. The core point--the rights are complicated so we probably won't see figures from Hasbro--will stand.

It's important to know that different types of media have different rights. Hasbro doesn't "just," own character names and trademarks, they would also own character likenesses. H-B/WB would be producing the animated series under license. They own the miniseries, but not more than that. Remember that IDW published a GoBots comics miniseries with the same visual designs and which had a license from Hasbro only.

As for the toys, the primary IP is patents, but they're generally time-bound. The main reason Hasbro can't reissue GoBots is because they don't have the molds. But I don't know of anything in toy IP that would prevent Hasbro from releasing new toys with updated engineering, even if the overall designs were similar. Even though Action Toys might have a license to the Revenge of Cronos anime, that doesn't preclude anyone else's rights to other material.

Of course, in any legal matter, it's not just whether you're right but whether you might have to spend money to prove it. A lot of these types of disputes center on whether a consumer might mistake one company's product for another, so there are inherent risks to producing very similar products where the rights are ambiguous. This can cut both ways, because Hasbro wouldn't want to spend money developing a brand that Bandai could then exploit.

TL;DR could Hasbro legally make Generations GoBots figures? Probably. Does it make sense for them given the legal risks? Probably not.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:49 pm

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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

I have a couple questions. What would possess them to turn Action Master Thundercracker into SG Thundercracker? And are we really sticking to that? :( Is that permanently set in stone? It doesn't make any sense. :???:

With SG Starscream coming I wanted to make a custom of Skywarp & Thundercracker. But I don't want that hideous Action Master TC in my collection. And I can't really accept it as SG since it's already the Action Master.

If they were to make an official SG TC is that abomination what they would give us? :SICK:
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Autobot N » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:09 pm

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I have a couple questions. What would possess them to turn Action Master Thundercracker into SG Thundercracker? And are we really sticking to that? :( Is that permanently set in stone? It doesn't make any sense. :???:

With SG Starscream coming I wanted to make a custom of Skywarp & Thundercracker. But I don't want that hideous Action Master TC in my collection. And I can't really accept it as SG since it's already the Action Master.

If they were to make an official SG TC is that abomination what they would give us? :SICK:
Given that all of the current Pulse SG figures have the same color scheme as the previous SG versions, one would assume that any SG Thundercracker would be an Action Master one
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:14 pm

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I have a couple questions. What would possess them to turn Action Master Thundercracker into SG Thundercracker? And are we really sticking to that? :( Is that permanently set in stone? It doesn't make any sense. :???:

With SG Starscream coming I wanted to make a custom of Skywarp & Thundercracker. But I don't want that hideous Action Master TC in my collection. And I can't really accept it as SG since it's already the Action Master.

If they were to make an official SG TC is that abomination what they would give us? :SICK:

It very likely would be that color scheme applied to either the Earthrise mold or Siege mold (I'd prefer ER, but I'd get it either way). That said, if they were to do other Seekers, you could look at those and decide on one that you could say is SG Thundercracker

As a side note, I'm personally hoping we see some SG BW figures, like maybe Cheetor using the new Tigatron mold and Tigatron using Cheetor's mold (both because I think it'd be funny for the sizes to be swapped and because this way at least a Cheetor would have a gut gun
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:00 pm

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Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I have a couple questions. What would possess them to turn Action Master Thundercracker into SG Thundercracker? And are we really sticking to that? :( Is that permanently set in stone? It doesn't make any sense. :???:
The answer to that is very simple. They chose the Action Master Thundercracker toy colors for SG Thundercracker... so that the toy could double as a new toy of Action Master Thundercracker, which people at the time wanted (and still want to this day from newer Seeker molds).

Many Fun Pub toys were dual-purpose like that.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby AcademyofDrX » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:22 pm

For the same reason, I hope a hypothetical SG Magnus would not have the weird skull face but be a more traditional redeco to serve as a new Delta Magnus.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:21 am

Most of the Shattered Glass colors were taken from random repaints. For example, Override GTS from Cybertron was nothing, just an oddball 1-off repaint that came out of left field. So applying that to SG Elita-1 makes sense. It's like that was the SG version all along but we just didn't know it at the time of release.

But Action Master TC is already Action Master TC. So I don't really understand how anybody can say Action Master TC is also Shattered Glass TC. Doesn't make much sense to me.

That thing has way too many colors going on. If I ever made a custom I would probably drop the lime green. Make him mostly red & purple with a few tiny highlights of light blue.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:25 am

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As explained above, it's killing two birds with one stone, same as going with Battle Convoy (delta magnus) colours for sg ultra magnus. The wiki will probably have explanations for all the colours.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Reformatted » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:08 am

ZeroWolf wrote:As explained above, it's killing two birds with one stone, same as going with Battle Convoy (delta magnus) colours for sg ultra magnus. The wiki will probably have explanations for all the colours.


Yeah, I get it, but that Action Master TC color scheme just isn't going to work for me. That's easily the worst thing I have ever seen.

They even teach you not to do crap like that in art school. :lol:
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:00 am

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It was the late 80s/early 90s, colour schemes like that were all the range :lol: it was extreme...to the max! They have their fans though who will be very happy to have representation without paying eBay prices
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:31 am

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And besides, two different guys can share the same colors without being the same character.

Action Master Thundercracker is evil Decepticon G1 Thundercracker who used to be blue but got his colors changed to rainbow upon his exposure to Nucleon.

SG Thundercracker is heroic Decepticon Thundercracker who was always naturally colored rainbow and never blue.


It's no different than how both SG Jazz and SG Galvatron are just G1 Jazz colors and G1 Galvatron colors, respectively.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Nemesis Primal » Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:05 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:As for rumors, I actually hope for a Siege Magnus with the skeleton face. I want that skeleton face!
AcademyofDrX wrote:For the same reason, I hope a hypothetical SG Magnus would not have the weird skull face but be a more traditional redeco to serve as a new Delta Magnus.
How would the both of you feel if the inner bot had the skeleton face, while the fully-armored Magnus had the regular Magnus head? The original SG Magnus was just a repaint of an Optimus mold, after all, so if they gave the new face to the inner bot then you could just leave off the chest armor to have him look like the original or put it on for the full Delta Magnus. That seems like the best case scenario to me.

Also I'll be honest, in response to an earlier comment, I don't care what mold Soundwave uses as long as he's got his radical headband.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:07 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:As for rumors, I actually hope for a Siege Magnus with the skeleton face. I want that skeleton face!
AcademyofDrX wrote:For the same reason, I hope a hypothetical SG Magnus would not have the weird skull face but be a more traditional redeco to serve as a new Delta Magnus.
How would the both of you feel if the inner bot had the skeleton face, while the fully-armored Magnus had the regular Magnus head? The original SG Magnus was just a repaint of an Optimus mold, after all, so if they gave the new face to the inner bot then you could just leave off the chest armor to have him look like the original or put it on for the full Delta Magnus. That seems like the best case scenario to me.


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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby sol magnus » Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:42 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:As for rumors, I actually hope for a Siege Magnus with the skeleton face. I want that skeleton face!
AcademyofDrX wrote:For the same reason, I hope a hypothetical SG Magnus would not have the weird skull face but be a more traditional redeco to serve as a new Delta Magnus.
How would the both of you feel if the inner bot had the skeleton face, while the fully-armored Magnus had the regular Magnus head? The original SG Magnus was just a repaint of an Optimus mold, after all, so if they gave the new face to the inner bot then you could just leave off the chest armor to have him look like the original or put it on for the full Delta Magnus. That seems like the best case scenario to me.


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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:00 pm

I'd rather just have a full-on Delta Magnus since SG UM doesn't interest me.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

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Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'd rather just have a full-on Delta Magnus since SG UM doesn't interest me.

Me, too. But if I can get both out of it I'll take it.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:22 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:As for rumors, I actually hope for a Siege Magnus with the skeleton face. I want that skeleton face!
AcademyofDrX wrote:For the same reason, I hope a hypothetical SG Magnus would not have the weird skull face but be a more traditional redeco to serve as a new Delta Magnus.
How would the both of you feel if the inner bot had the skeleton face, while the fully-armored Magnus had the regular Magnus head? The original SG Magnus was just a repaint of an Optimus mold, after all, so if they gave the new face to the inner bot then you could just leave off the chest armor to have him look like the original or put it on for the full Delta Magnus. That seems like the best case scenario to me.

Also I'll be honest, in response to an earlier comment, I don't care what mold Soundwave uses as long as he's got his radical headband.

While it is a good idea, I'd rather it not. I never got a siege or Kingdom Magnus, so I would (selfishly mind you) want the main head to be the skeleton so that way I don't have armor just lying around
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

Postby Gauntlet101010 » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:42 pm

They shouldn't do a 1:1 mold use. It was a mistake for Megatron and it'd be a mistake here.

Regular UM is just nothing like SG Magnus. I don't think a skull head would even look good on the Siege or Kingdom mold.

They should use the G2 Prime / Octane TR mold.
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Re: Hasbro Pulse Transformers Shattered Glass Line Discussion

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Technically, in order to properly pay homage to the BotCon 2012 figure, the cab's inner robot would have to be the one that has the skeleton head. SG Ultra Magnus's toy was itself a cab robot and, because of its deco homaging Powered Convoy/Delta Magnus, it transformed into a blue truck cab. So, logically, the part of Siege/Kingdom Ultra Magnus that turns from truck to robot would have to be the one with the skeleton head in order for the homage to properly work, since that SG Ultra Magnus didn't have trailer armor.

But, should we get one that now does, in order to complete the PC/DM homage, the armored robot ought to be in proper Delta Magnus colors. Though, ideally, if his head could be retooled to have an optional skull face swappable with a normal Ultra Magnus face, that'd be the best of both worlds.
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