Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby unicron1200 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:47 pm

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I'd be happy to move this Not-A-Cron discussion to a different thread, but I think that it's important to note the effect it's having on our true Chaos Bringer. Most of the time the 3rd party representations of a character don't really mess with the release of the official ones, just because they are for different markets most of the time. Since those characters appear much more regularly than the event that is Unicron, I think it's fair to say that the announcement of ZetaCron at this time is a little scummy. I myself have purchased a couple of 3P's myself, and I've enjoyed them immensely. I do fear, though, that this ZetaCron is riding on the back of the HasLab hype, and is directly affecting their numbers. If that's the case, I really do see the potential of Hasbro finally putting the hammer down on third party figures after all this time if Unicron fails, which would be most unfortunate for collectors in general.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby blackeyedprime » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:53 pm

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third party or not, if they opened up a reliable way for europe to order then the numbers would be up. Relying on promoting at comic cons where people are going to be hunting and spending money on the one thing they want or the thousands of exclusives leaves little money to go on unicron.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:05 pm

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Stargrave wrote:To me Zeta is making a pretty low move releasing this right now. Yay competition I get it but seriously, vultures. Just sayin’ not trying to get too snarky about it but I can’t help it, it just seems like a lame move. That’s too bad.



Considering this Zetacron answers almost all of the problems a large portion of the community has had with Haslabicron from day one, its hardly a 'low move'. People buying this, for the most part, were not going to buy Haslabicron anyway, and those who were, were going to be very unhappy with their purchase. The big guy will fail, or succeed, solely on its own merits. As it should be. Zeta is just making some very disappointed people happy. That's a good thing.


Just my two cents, though I'm not sure its worth that, seeing as I find both figures far too large for a practical display, not to mentioned far overpriced.


That's the other thing people; as far as I know, Zeta has not put out a price. That thing could very well be $300 to $500. Maybe factor that in?
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:21 pm

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I think I'm gonna hold out for this one personally. It's cleaner, hardly any kibble and price is probably gonna be a lot cheaper

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Maybe there is less Kibble but those tumours growing out of his neck are one hell of an eyesore.


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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:24 pm

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On a side note, Magic Cube "Optimus" and TE-01 OP Leader didn't stop MP-44 in the slightest. So if HasLab Unicron don't get through, it will be it's own failure.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:34 pm

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But MP-44 was a committed project, one that 3P’s had to jump on to make a profit from their blatant ip theft but very different scale price and all around circumstances.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:46 pm

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Stargrave wrote:But MP-44 was a committed project, one that 3P’s had to jump on to make a profit from their blatant ip theft but very different scale price and all around circumstances.


Price difference? Not by much. MP-44 is absurdly expensive and the most expensive TF yet. But people still bought it. Imagine if MP-44 was the Haslab crowdfunded thing. The Haslab Unicron would be the same if it was a normal release. It's really not everyone who can or are willing to get that 600$ Unicron. And if some drop it for the smaller Zeta, it's because they didn't really wanted the big guy in the first place.

So, no. Zetanicron cannot "steal" any Haslabicron orders. Most likely many Zetanicron buyers will still back Haslabicron too.

If Haslabicron fail, the fault would be Hasbro's and Takara's alone for their weird tactics. Blaming anything else is moot.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby EunuchRon » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:05 pm

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blackeyedprime wrote:Speaking of budgets, my washing machine just broke. If only they could make Unicron bigger, available straight away and be usable as washing machine :(
I'd settle for him being a usable waffle maker, clean clothes arent as important as waffles.


Here's a nice picture of Unicron's waffle! :-D

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The Big U ain't a picky eater. Galvatron was also purple! 8-)

I do hope the Haslabcron gets made, even if I can't afford him. The Zetacron... same thing. I don't think he'll be hurtin' the Haslabcron tho. If I had the dough I'd get him just for the sweet planet mode.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby EunuchRon » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:06 pm

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I mean I'd get the Haslab Unicron for the planet mode.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby unicron1200 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:21 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
Stargrave wrote:But MP-44 was a committed project, one that 3P’s had to jump on to make a profit from their blatant ip theft but very different scale price and all around circumstances.


Price difference? Not by much. MP-44 is absurdly expensive and the most expensive TF yet. But people still bought it. Imagine if MP-44 was the Haslab crowdfunded thing. The Haslab Unicron would be the same if it was a normal release. It's really not everyone who can or are willing to get that 600$ Unicron. And if some drop it for the smaller Zeta, it's because they didn't really wanted the big guy in the first place.

So, no. Zetanicron cannot "steal" any Haslabicron orders. Most likely many Zetanicron buyers will still back Haslabicron too.

If Haslabicron fail, the fault would be Hasbro's and Takara's alone for their weird tactics. Blaming anything else is moot.

Do you not think that the numbers for backers decreasing after the announcement of Zetacron is indicative of some of those backers for the HasLab jumping onto the Zeta ship? I mean, in the end it comes down to personal preference as for what you want your figure to have, but i don't think you can say that they didn't "steal" backers. If people didn't have an alternative Fake-a-cron to go with, would they still have begrudgingly stuck with the official release? Assuming that is their reason for changing over/cancelling (and not something like finances, space, or just lost of interest as being alternatives.) I can think of two very important questions we need to be asking in terms of these two figures (and granted this may be more of the subject on a different thread, but it still does relate to HasLab Unicron.)

1. Does this release actually affect the number of backers the crowdfunding is getting? I mean, how many people do we know have switched over to the 3P option because they prefer it (I guess I'm asking if this thread's forum-goers have specifically switched over.)

2. If the HasLab Unicron does end up failing (please don't let that I happen, I need this figure in my life) do we think Hasbro specifically will blame this Zetacron? I think it's certainly a possibility that we need to consider, as well as the repercussions if Hasbro finds that to be the case.

I get that these questions may be taking the discussion away from the specific point of HasLab Unicron, but I think they're still relevant to him.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:22 pm

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Stargrave wrote:But MP-44 was a committed project

Exactly. And also based on an existing character that's had MANY iterations over the years. I would go so far as to ASSUME the R&D on him was significantly less than Unicron.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Dominus Prime » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:32 pm

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Yea they are. Bout the only problem I have with the design.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby megatronus » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:59 pm

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Ironhidensh wrote:Considering this Zetacron answers almost all of the problems a large portion of the community has had with Haslabicron from day one, its hardly a 'low move'.

Making different design choices isn't the low move, it's announcing the project in the first place. It's one thing to fill a void, it's another to so brazenly compete with an official product while stealing the IP of the self same character. It's not just shady, it's pretty scummy.



Ironhidensh wrote:People buying this, for the most part, were not going to buy Haslabicron anyway
-Kanrabat- wrote:So, no. Zetanicron cannot "steal" any Haslabicron orders. Most likely many Zetanicron buyers will still back Haslabicron too.

All the people on TFW and Facebook explicitly saying they've cancelled their HasLab orders would disagree with these assessments.

Also, to say Unicron will succeed or fail on its merits is true only to an extent (and is actually a separate point from whether Zeta is stealing orders). How many people's first reaction upon hearing this project was to attack Hasbro for some reason or another, either for taking the crowdfunding route or for X, Y, or Z? Or who said, "I'll wait for 3rd Party"?

There's too much bias and/or entitlement amongst the fandom to look at this through the unfiltered lens of a fair market.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:10 pm

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"Fair market" is a myth. There is NOTHING "fair" in business. The business world is shark infested waters. And some sharks have friggin' LASERS mounted on their friggin' head!

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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Stargrave » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:20 pm

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No, but putting your dollar where it counts changes things. That's the whole point of the fan backed campaign concept. I see what people say about the limitations of the campaign but they did extend it, that's not nothing. I also see what you're saying but this just seems like the effort to stymie the complaining and offering people the chance to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak :-D

What an effective villain. All these years after they blew his head off and still he drives us to these levels of passion for these fun transforming puzzle robots.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:07 am

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Stargrave wrote:No, but putting your dollar where it counts changes things. That's the whole point of the fan backed campaign concept. I see what people say about the limitations of the campaign but they did extend it, that's not nothing. I also see what you're saying but this just seems like the effort to stymie the complaining and offering people the chance to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak :-D

What an effective villain. All these years after they blew his head off and still he drives us to these levels of passion for these fun transforming puzzle robots.


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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:44 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:Considering this Zetacron answers almost all of the problems a large portion of the community has had with Haslabicron from day one, its hardly a 'low move'.

Making different design choices isn't the low move, it's announcing the project in the first place. It's one thing to fill a void, it's another to so brazenly compete with an official product while stealing the IP of the self same character. It's not just shady, it's pretty scummy.

Maybe. I’ve never particularly shared that view point. I’ve always seen it as Hasbro isn’t giving the fans what they want, only what they want the fans to want, then somebody else will, and I love that. I’ve never once understood why every collector doesn’t jump for joy at that. I dint understand it, but I can respect that view.


Again, maybe I’d feel differently if either of these figures were something I wanted. I follow this simply out of curiosity, and my general unease with Hasbro using a crowdfunding format.

I also fully agree with others that if Hasbro hadn’t said to hell with Europe, this would have, for good or bad, most likely been backed already.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:51 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:I also fully agree with others that if Hasbro hadn’t said to hell with Europe, this would have, for good or bad, most likely been backed already.


Not make the crowdfunding worldwide IS the real problem here. Why the hell did they do that? Seriously? What is the reasoning of making the program for Americans, Canadian, and Japanese exclusively?
Anyone at Hasbro-Takara who can give a clear answer that is not langue de bois or (waffle speak?)?
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:15 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:I also fully agree with others that if Hasbro hadn’t said to hell with Europe, this would have, for good or bad, most likely been backed already.


Not make the crowdfunding worldwide IS the real problem here. Why the hell did they do that? Seriously? What is the reasoning of making the program for Americans, Canadian, and Japanese exclusively?
Anyone at Hasbro-Takara who can give a clear answer that is not langue de bois or (waffle speak?)?

Logistics. Finding the right partner. As others have pointed out, there's not a retailer in the UK who would be suited for this guy.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:23 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:I also fully agree with others that if Hasbro hadn’t said to hell with Europe, this would have, for good or bad, most likely been backed already.


Not make the crowdfunding worldwide IS the real problem here. Why the hell did they do that? Seriously? What is the reasoning of making the program for Americans, Canadian, and Japanese exclusively?
Anyone at Hasbro-Takara who can give a clear answer that is not langue de bois or (waffle speak?)?

Logistics. Finding the right partner. As others have pointed out, there's not a retailer in the UK who would be suited for this guy.


Plenty of stores simply ship internationally. But HasTak must jump through hoops for reasons.

Corporations are complicated.
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:24 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:I also fully agree with others that if Hasbro hadn’t said to hell with Europe, this would have, for good or bad, most likely been backed already.


Not make the crowdfunding worldwide IS the real problem here. Why the hell did they do that? Seriously? What is the reasoning of making the program for Americans, Canadian, and Japanese exclusively?
Anyone at Hasbro-Takara who can give a clear answer that is not langue de bois or (waffle speak?)?

Logistics. Finding the right partner. As others have pointed out, there's not a retailer in the UK who would be suited for this guy.

If only Hasbro had access to a multi-billion dollar corporation......
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

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Burn wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I also fully agree with others that if Hasbro hadn’t said to hell with Europe, this would have, for good or bad, most likely been backed already.


Not make the crowdfunding worldwide IS the real problem here. Why the hell did they do that? Seriously? What is the reasoning of making the program for Americans, Canadian, and Japanese exclusively?
Anyone at Hasbro-Takara who can give a clear answer that is not langue de bois or (waffle speak?)?

Logistics. Finding the right partner. As others have pointed out, there's not a retailer in the UK who would be suited for this guy.


It's not like they have a UK branch of their own corporation or anything.......?
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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

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Just gonna repost what I said on TFW2005:

Let's look at this from a Public Image standpoint: Hasbro is in deep trouble. Think about it: having one crowdfunding project fail (Cookie Monster) makes them look bad. Have two fail makes them look very bad. Have two fail, one of which has an extended deadline, would likely cause a lot, if not all, faith in Haslab to be lost. They pretty much have to make this in order to keep Haslab going.

Just my opinion though.
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