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ZeroWolf wrote:I am now intrigued about those comics now burn. I'm liking how much less kiddy it looks then the original cartoon.

Isn't Filmation the best? I want more Filmation He-man and She-ra cartoons. I want everything to be an extension of Filmation. I want those DC Comics to be drawn and written exactly like Filmation. I want all future cartoons and movies to be made using the Filmation He-man and She-ra library (ie. character designs, concepts, backgrounds, music, writers, artists, voice actors, etc.). Till all are One!

duragrip wrote:Isn't Filmation the best?

Their animation was godawful. They were more concerned with putting out a product than putting out a quality product. That's probably why they folded in '89.

duragrip wrote:Isn't Filmation the best?

If they were then they'd still be in business wouldn't they?

But considering they shut down in 1989 ... I think it's safe to say the time of Filmation is over. All hail modern animation!

Shadowman wrote:

duragrip wrote:Isn't Filmation the best?

Their animation was godawful. They were more concerned with putting out a product than putting out a quality product. That's probably why they folded in '89.

Iirc, one particular Filmation production aside from MOTU and She-Ra that really stood out was the 1st season of Flash Gordon. Almost loyal to the original source material especially the pilot (which was aired stupidly AFTER the original series' run)

Btw, I would not call their animation best, but I don't consider it godawful. They had their particular style like Studio Ghibli, Disney etc has their own. Now, everything looks like Ben10 or Avatar (the Last Air Bender). WB's Legion of Superheroes had a distinct style, too bad it lasted 1 season.

I also like the animation of the WB Green Lantern Movie (nope, not the CGI one).

So maybe Filmation's time had come to an end, maybe making a product fully USA just could not keep them in the red so they folded.

fenrir72 wrote:Btw, I would not call their animation best, but I don't consider it godawful. They had their particular style like Studio Ghibli, Disney etc has their own. Now, everything looks like Ben10 or Avatar (the Last Air Bender). WB's Legion of Superheroes had a distinct style, too bad it lasted 1 season.

The major difference is Studio Ghibli and Disney's "particular styles" were actually having good animation. Filmation's style was use of stock footage and limited movement, simply for the sake of being cheap to produce.

Shadowman wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Btw, I would not call their animation best, but I don't consider it godawful. They had their particular style like Studio Ghibli, Disney etc has their own. Now, everything looks like Ben10 or Avatar (the Last Air Bender). WB's Legion of Superheroes had a distinct style, too bad it lasted 1 season.

The major difference is Studio Ghibli and Disney's "particular styles" were actually having good animation. Filmation's style was use of stock footage and limited movement, simply for the sake of being cheap to produce.

They specialized in weekly serials and made in the USA. Much more expensive to produce because it was made in USA. To blanket generalize it as ugly, well I can also use as an example Wolf Kubiak style in the now defunct TMNT 1980 series and their atrocious Speed Racer revamp or the Scooby Doo shows in the 70s or even the gosh cheap Pink Panther series or Rocky and Bulwinkle. Your call if you consider it much better than Filmation. Maybe you don't dig the style, granted, but again, that maybe just your opinion.

Now that you mentioned it, Filmation also did the classic Star trek animation. Great stories by the great scifi writers of today. And their Tarzan Lord of the Apes, that was well made too. For every great series, they had The Original Ghost busters.....arrgh! Bravestar was .......well okay but not to the level of MOTU. MOTU had great writers too in their stable but of course, their, Filmation era just ended too as they can no longer produce products that the market want.

I am not too hang up on Filmation like duragrip is as I also miss other animation styles of the 80s like Rankin Bass' Flight of Dragons, Last Unicorn and Thundercats. And of course, ground breaking even for its time..........Tatsunoko's Gatchaman. Wow, for a kid themed show, it show did carry lots of mature themes.

I like how Filmation drew the He-man and She-ra characters, very smooth, not choppy like today. Filmation artists really knew how to draw the human anatomy. The Filmation backgrounds were stunning. Watch "The Taking of Grayskull". The psychedelic world they created was amazing. They had such imagination. Also, the special effects like the transformation sequences were really fun to watch (eg. "Into the Abyss"). The art and vision of the characters more than made up for any of the deficiencies. Filmation has been the only successful incarnation thus far (ie. financially). Why not bring it back and reuse it? It was pure marketing genius!

fenrir72 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Btw, I would not call their animation best, but I don't consider it godawful. They had their particular style like Studio Ghibli, Disney etc has their own. Now, everything looks like Ben10 or Avatar (the Last Air Bender). WB's Legion of Superheroes had a distinct style, too bad it lasted 1 season.

The major difference is Studio Ghibli and Disney's "particular styles" were actually having good animation. Filmation's style was use of stock footage and limited movement, simply for the sake of being cheap to produce.

They specialized in weekly serials and made in the USA. Much more expensive to produce because it was made in USA. To blanket generalize it as ugly, well I can also use as an example Wolf Kubiak style in the now defunct TMNT 1980 series and their atrocious Speed Racer revamp or the Scooby Doo shows in the 70s or even the gosh cheap Pink Panther series or Rocky and Bulwinkle. Your call if you consider it much better than Filmation. Maybe you don't dig the style, granted, but again, that maybe just your opinion.

Now that you mentioned it, Filmation also did the classic Star trek animation. Great stories by the great scifi writers of today. And their Tarzan Lord of the Apes, that was well made too. For every great series, they had The Original Ghost busters.....arrgh! Bravestar was .......well okay but not to the level of MOTU. MOTU had great writers too in their stable but of course, their, Filmation era just ended too as they can no longer produce products that the market want.

I am not too hang up on Filmation like duragrip is as I also miss other animation styles of the 80s like Rankin Bass' Flight of Dragons, Last Unicorn and Thundercats. And of course, ground breaking even for its time..........Tatsunoko's Gatchaman. Wow, for a kid themed show, it show did carry lots of mature themes.

The animation was still terrible. Compare anything by Chuck Jones or Bob Clampett to anything Filmation did, there is no comparison.

And from Wikipedia:

Filmation had a reputation for exploiting the technique of limited animation to produce a number of animated series with a distinct look. It made heavy use of rotoscoping in later years (beginning with its Tarzan and Flash Gordon series). It also re-used the same animated sequences over and over, many times, to the point where the Filmation style was instantly recognizable.

Filmation's animation often looked poor-quality, due to the limiting of the number of frames per second used to fewer than the regular 24 frame/second seen on film or 25/30 frame/s seen on video. Frames would be repeated to compensate for the deficiency, resulting in a jerky and cheap look.

This frequent use of stock footage saved production money, but often resulted in sacrifice of continuity. This was countered by cutting from one stock shot to another after only a second or two, long enough to set the scene but before the eye could notice all of the unexplained errors. This became part of Filmation style during a period when most TV and motion picture production tended to run minimum shots of 4–5 seconds.

In contrast to the rapid jump cuts during action sequences, another Filmation trademark was the recurring use of long establishing-shots in which the camera would pan slowly across a very wide background painting, thus filling up screen time with sequences requiring little or no animation.

Filmation rules because it inspired the Four Horseman to create MOTUC, giving us great moments like these.

fenrir72 wrote:As I am also guilty but I did manage to get duragrip to admit that red heads are hotter than blonds. Adora may be hot but the Sorceress and Tee-La tops..........hands down

You're not going get any argument from me about that. They're all 10's, off the charts really. I would not argue with what you're saying; the level of beauty we're talking about here is so beyond orgasmic that we've reached a point where it doesn't really matter. We can say all three of them are goddesses.

I guess it comes down then to other factors like lifestyle:
1. Would you like to live with Teela at the Royal Palace?
2. Adora in The Whispering Woods?
Or
3. With The Sorceress inside Castle Grayskull.

I sort of feel sorry for Adora because she was robbed of the life of a princess. But I'm a hermit so I'd choose The Sorceress because of compatibility. Teela would probably be my last choice among the three because she seems moody, temperamental, and irritable.

duragrip wrote:I like how Filmation drew the He-man and She-ra characters, very smooth, not choppy like today. Filmation artists really knew how to draw the human anatomy. The Filmation backgrounds were stunning. Watch "The Taking of Grayskull". The psychedelic world they created was amazing. They had such imagination. Also, the special effects like the transformation sequences were really fun to watch (eg. "Into the Abyss"). The art and vision of the characters more than made up for any of the deficiencies. Filmation has been the only successful incarnation thus far (ie. financially). Why not bring it back and reuse it? It was pure marketing genius!

Why not bring it back you say? Hmmm. How about because it would fall flat on its face. Kids won't want to watch it, especially compared to shows like Adventure Time, Ben 10, Transformers Prime, Star Wars Rebels and the legend of Korra. The animation has not aged well at all and the toys would have to be of todays engineering standards to compete. Plus kids can't connect with he-man, I mean how many will even know who he is. The franchises only hope is the movie in production, but if that tanks...then the franchise will be left with the only market it started with...kids from the 80s who are now collectors.

ZeroWolf wrote:Why not bring it back you say? Hmmm. How about because it would fall flat on its face. Kids won't want to watch it, especially compared to shows like Adventure Time, Ben 10, Transformers Prime, Star Wars Rebels and the legend of Korra. The animation has not aged well at all and the toys would have to be of todays engineering standards to compete. Plus kids can't connect with he-man, I mean how many will even know who he is. The franchises only hope is the movie in production, but if that tanks...then the franchise will be left with the only market it started with...kids from the 80s who are now collectors.

That's an untested assumption. Mattel thought kids would go for the 200X line. And boy were they wrong. They paid dearly for it. That's why when they launched MOTUC it was modeled after Filmation. They wanted to get as far away from 200X as possible. It's still a sore spot for Mattel because it tanked so badly. That's why they need to go back to what works-------Filmation.

Shadowman wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Btw, I would not call their animation best, but I don't consider it godawful. They had their particular style like Studio Ghibli, Disney etc has their own. Now, everything looks like Ben10 or Avatar (the Last Air Bender). WB's Legion of Superheroes had a distinct style, too bad it lasted 1 season.

The major difference is Studio Ghibli and Disney's "particular styles" were actually having good animation. Filmation's style was use of stock footage and limited movement, simply for the sake of being cheap to produce.

They specialized in weekly serials and made in the USA. Much more expensive to produce because it was made in USA. To blanket generalize it as ugly, well I can also use as an example Wolf Kubiak style in the now defunct TMNT 1980 series and their atrocious Speed Racer revamp or the Scooby Doo shows in the 70s or even the gosh cheap Pink Panther series or Rocky and Bulwinkle. Your call if you consider it much better than Filmation. Maybe you don't dig the style, granted, but again, that maybe just your opinion.

Now that you mentioned it, Filmation also did the classic Star trek animation. Great stories by the great scifi writers of today. And their Tarzan Lord of the Apes, that was well made too. For every great series, they had The Original Ghost busters.....arrgh! Bravestar was .......well okay but not to the level of MOTU. MOTU had great writers too in their stable but of course, their, Filmation era just ended too as they can no longer produce products that the market want.

I am not too hang up on Filmation like duragrip is as I also miss other animation styles of the 80s like Rankin Bass' Flight of Dragons, Last Unicorn and Thundercats. And of course, ground breaking even for its time..........Tatsunoko's Gatchaman. Wow, for a kid themed show, it show did carry lots of mature themes.

The animation was still terrible. Compare anything by Chuck Jones or Bob Clampett to anything Filmation did, there is no comparison.

And from Wikipedia:

Filmation had a reputation for exploiting the technique of limited animation to produce a number of animated series with a distinct look. It made heavy use of rotoscoping in later years (beginning with its Tarzan and Flash Gordon series). It also re-used the same animated sequences over and over, many times, to the point where the Filmation style was instantly recognizable.

Filmation's animation often looked poor-quality, due to the limiting of the number of frames per second used to fewer than the regular 24 frame/second seen on film or 25/30 frame/s seen on video. Frames would be repeated to compensate for the deficiency, resulting in a jerky and cheap look.

This frequent use of stock footage saved production money, but often resulted in sacrifice of continuity. This was countered by cutting from one stock shot to another after only a second or two, long enough to set the scene but before the eye could notice all of the unexplained errors. This became part of Filmation style during a period when most TV and motion picture production tended to run minimum shots of 4–5 seconds.

In contrast to the rapid jump cuts during action sequences, another Filmation trademark was the recurring use of long establishing-shots in which the camera would pan slowly across a very wide background painting, thus filling up screen time with sequences requiring little or no animation.

That is nice to know. So Filmation OD'd on the cost cutting. Other companies did it but they(Filmation) are more notorious by going to the 5th level. Got it. But I find the author of the wiki suspect. If what is printed is 100% accurate, then MOTU whould be utterly unwatchable and devoid of any story at all. MOTU fans might contest such assumptions.

But as I respect your opinion, I also hope you respect mine. We can't just blanket label everything to the extreme "awful". Filmation had their day under the sun and it ended. The 80s were really the days when we got the massive dose of legalized toy ads thanks to "the Gipper".

I'm not a one track mind like you know who here........ so wash and rinse I wonder what inane Shera/He-man wet dream is gonna crop up

Your theory is also untested, your only fact is MOTUC, which was launched for collectors, aka not kids, that's like saying the existence of the transformers masterpiece line is perfect evidence that they should show nothing but G1 all the time on major networks. Okay the last part is taking things a bit to far but you get what I'm saying.

Plus I know what kids are like these days, a relic from the past isn't going to win them over. Kids want more style and substance. Kids do not want a series made on the cheap.

As for the 2000s series, I'm sure there was many reasons for its failure, as someone else pointed out, too many he-mans and skeletors will do that. Maybe kids just didn't want a fantasy series like that back then. In closing filmation is dead, Mattel would be wasting money replicating hat style. Any new series will be.CGI and not made America. Get used to it.

Comparing apples and oranges as the animation market is very different from the American to the Japanese. The latter is said to be in dire straits while the former.....well aside from Disney is kind of in the doldrums (?)

duragrip mentioned something about resurrecting the old show using modern techniques but retaining their 80 style or upgrading them whatever.......sure its a shot in a wormhole and would require a whole lot of investment in Hasbro's (for Transformers Season 1 and 2) part but I've seen clips from the BD release of Macross reanimating the MTVs of the OST. Iirc, the Macross MTVs back then used stock animation from the show. the clips used modern animation (CGI cels etc)but still retained the look of the 80s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYqyLmsIewQ

kind of a mix bag as the Mikimoto style is retained and kind of lost ( still prefer old school style when it comes to Mikimoto's style). The details are also outstanding. Not sure if Bandai or BigWest bankrolled this. It would be kind of nirvana if such is implemented to 80s show.

ZeroWolf wrote:Your theory is also untested, your only fact is MOTUC, which was launched for collectors, aka not kids, that's like saying the existence of the transformers masterpiece line is perfect evidence that they should show nothing but G1 all the time on major networks. Okay the last part is taking things a bit to far but you get what I'm saying.

Plus I know what kids are like these days, a relic from the past isn't going to win them over. Kids want more style and substance. Kids do not want a series made on the cheap.

As for the 2000s series, I'm sure there was many reasons for its failure, as someone else pointed out, too many he-mans and skeletors will do that. Maybe kids just didn't want a fantasy series like that back then. In closing filmation is dead, Mattel would be wasting money replicating hat style. Any new series will be.CGI and not made America. Get used to it.

When you're an adult you forget what it's like being a kid; we don't know what kids want. We know that kids liked Filmation in the 80's so it has been tested and proven. Kids have always been kids; there's no reason why they wouldn't like Filmation. Heck I know kids who became fans of Filmation He-man and She-ra by watching the syndicated series on Qubo and MeTV, but Mattel no longer had the figures in retail stores. I would never presume to know what kids today want because I'm not a kid anymore. All I know is that kids did love Filmation He-man and bought the MOTU toys. That's a fact. I'm not saying that it will work for sure but Mattel has already tried changing He-man as adults assuming they know what kids today want and both New Adventures and 200X have been expensive failures, especially 200X. Why don't they go back to basics and try doing what we know has worked in the past. I mean all the Filmation episodes are already made, they just need to produce the already designed and engineered MOTUC figures in a mass scale to bring down the price in retail stores for parents to buy their kids. And re-release "The Secret of the Sword" into theaters with added special effects and added scenes, with the alternate ending of He-man and She-ra freeing Etheria, and Adora going back to Eternia with He-man.

The point is why bother? If Mattel want to put a new show together it will be for the benefit of their target market: kids. Such a project like you suggest Fenir would be more aimed at the fans. Really though let the shows from the eighties lie where they are. They did their job with distinction, they have birth to franchises (though in G.I Joe's case it was a rebirth). IRS been thirty years, let us not cling to The coatails of the past, we should aspire to create new entries for our beloved franchises, so that the kids of today may fall in love with them and can say they have their own show.

Franchises should constantly seek to evolve and add to itself instead of repeating or rehashing.

*gets off soapbox*

Plus Mattel at the moment would probably want to just keep making Disney toys since Frozen sold a huge tonne of toys.

Kids these days don't want to see a grown man running around in a loin cloth.

They want something they can relate to, whether it's coming across a wrist band that allows you to tap into the DNA of aliens or bond with a flying robot to power up. They need to be able to relate.

And you just can't relate to a Prince who transforms into a guy that carries a sword and wears a loincloth and beats up a bloke who has no face.

Burn wrote:Kids these days don't want to see a grown man running around in a loin cloth.

They want something they can relate to, whether it's coming across a wrist band that allows you to tap into the DNA of aliens or bond with a flying robot to power up. They need to be able to relate.

And you just can't relate to a Prince who transforms into a guy that carries a sword and wears a loincloth and beats up a bloke who has no face.

That too.

Hey duragrip, haven't you noticed that He-man, in the animation anyway, (the toy and DC comics had a different take on him btw)was more or less a magic and swords version of Superman?

He-man/Adam: Superman and nerdy Clark Kent
Tee-la: Lois Lane and a bit of Wonderwoman
Castle Grayskull: Fortress of Solitude
Sorceress: Jor-El (only hotter)
Skeletor: Lex Luthor

Just like in anime, the themes of keep getting recycled over and over again

ZeroWolf wrote:The point is why bother? If Mattel want to put a new show together it will be for the benefit of their target market: kids. Such a project like you suggest Fenir would be more aimed at the fans. Really though let the shows from the eighties lie where they are. They did their job with distinction, they have birth to franchises (though in G.I Joe's case it was a rebirth). IRS been thirty years, let us not cling to The coatails of the past, we should aspire to create new entries for our beloved franchises, so that the kids of today may fall in love with them and can say they have their own show.

Franchises should constantly seek to evolve and add to itself instead of repeating or rehashing.

*gets off soapbox*

Plus Mattel at the moment would probably want to just keep making Disney toys since Frozen sold a huge tonne of toys.

Btw, need to clarify something, I meant a revamped and fixed G1 season 1 and 2 Transformers. No way was I advocating this for the Filmation MOTU.

As I said, the Japanese market is waaaaaaaaay out of this world. In Gundam Seed Destiny for instance, it was released this time in BD (nope, not like the DVD released by Bandai America)with new "corrected scenes". You know what were those corrected scenes? A more detailed shots of Lunamaria's purple panties . They churn out the same releases, up the resolution, add new panty shots, sell out at overpriced sets and still end up being in the red.

It boggles the mind as the fans there really put up with this types of products.

fenrir72 wrote:As I said, the Japanese market is waaaaaaaaay out of this world. In Gundam Seed Destiny for instance, it was released this time in BD (nope, not like the DVD released by Bandai America)with new "corrected scenes". You know what were those corrected scenes? A more detailed shots of Lunamaria's purple panties . They churn out the same releases, up the resolution, add new panty shots, sell out at overpriced sets and still end up being in the red.

It boggles the mind as the fans there really put up with this types of products.

To be fair, Seed Destiny was an overall poopy series. The fact that they think it needs more fanservice and not, oh, I don't know, getting rid of the overabundance of flashback sequences, is not going to help move copies.

Shadowman wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:As I said, the Japanese market is waaaaaaaaay out of this world. In Gundam Seed Destiny for instance, it was released this time in BD (nope, not like the DVD released by Bandai America)with new "corrected scenes". You know what were those corrected scenes? A more detailed shots of Lunamaria's purple panties . They churn out the same releases, up the resolution, add new panty shots, sell out at overpriced sets and still end up being in the red.

It boggles the mind as the fans there really put up with this types of products.

To be fair, Seed Destiny was an overall poopy series. The fact that they think it needs more fanservice and not, oh, I don't know, getting rid of the overabundance of flashback sequences, is not going to help move copies.

I have to add something on my statement. Depends on who/where you read from, as any project needs to be economically viable but some sites say the Japanese anime industry is in dire straits and yet overpriced sets like the BD Gundam Seed/Destiny series sell out so my statement should have stated they end up in the red or black (?).

fenrir72 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:The major difference is Studio Ghibli and Disney's "particular styles" were actually having good animation. Filmation's style was use of stock footage and limited movement, simply for the sake of being cheap to produce.

And from Wikipedia:

Filmation had a reputation for exploiting the technique of limited animation to produce a number of animated series with a distinct look. It made heavy use of rotoscoping in later years (beginning with its Tarzan and Flash Gordon series). It also re-used the same animated sequences over and over, many times, to the point where the Filmation style was instantly recognizable.

Filmation's animation often looked poor-quality, due to the limiting of the number of frames per second used to fewer than the regular 24 frame/second seen on film or 25/30 frame/s seen on video. Frames would be repeated to compensate for the deficiency, resulting in a jerky and cheap look.

This frequent use of stock footage saved production money, but often resulted in sacrifice of continuity. This was countered by cutting from one stock shot to another after only a second or two, long enough to set the scene but before the eye could notice all of the unexplained errors. This became part of Filmation style during a period when most TV and motion picture production tended to run minimum shots of 4–5 seconds.

In contrast to the rapid jump cuts during action sequences, another Filmation trademark was the recurring use of long establishing-shots in which the camera would pan slowly across a very wide background painting, thus filling up screen time with sequences requiring little or no animation.

It's for the exact reasons mentioned above:
1. Stock footage
2. Limited animation
3. Reuse, Sameness
that made the Filmation He-man cartoon the best format for marketing the toys. Simple is powerful, and flashing the same image and message on the screen over and over again to kids dens it into their brains and it sticks with them long after the episode finishes. How many kids watched the show just to see that same exact transformation sequence over and over again. I never got tired of seeing it. That resulted in kids asking their parents to take them to the store to buy the toys.

200X was a great show artistically, but great art and good business sense don't always coincide. 200x changed too much from episode to episode. It did not have the sameness that kids could cling onto and remember, and act out.

Like it or not, to Mattel it's all about the toys. The He-man cartoon must be able to sell the toys or it will not succeed. 200X though it may have been a critical success was an awful marketing vehicle. It could not sell a toy if its life depended on it.

The She-ra cartoon was again a good, quality product but no girls were buying the Princess-of-Power toys, probably because they looked nothing like the cartoon. So, it got cancelled.

Lou Scheimer was a shrewd business man. He worked closely with Mattel. The writers respected and followed Mattel's edicts on sameness. Mattel had a say in the content of the show to market their toys.

The 200X writers were given creative and artistic license, free reign, and they hated Mattel influencing the content and flow of the 'their' cartoon. So, the show failed due to lack of toy sales. She-ra was planned to be introduced in the next season, but that did not happen because the writers became divas, pre-madonnas, and debutantes. They thought that they owned the show, so they would not listen to Mattel when Mattel was asking them to position certain characters (eg. Snakemen) in certain episodes strategically in order to get kids to buy the toys. It was too late because the writers did not want to give up the freedom that they were initially given.

duragrip wrote:The 200X writers were given creative and artistic license, free reign, and they hated Mattel influencing the content and flow of the 'their' cartoon. So, the show failed due to lack of toy sales. She-ra was planned to be introduced in the next season, but that did not happen because the writers became divas, pre-madonnas, and debutantes. They thought that they owned the show, so they would not listen to Mattel when Mattel was asking them to position certain characters (eg. Snakemen) in certain episodes strategically in order to get kids to buy the toys. It was too late because the writers did not want to give up the freedom that they were initially given.

You can back all that up with evidence yes?

Burn wrote:

duragrip wrote:The 200X writers were given creative and artistic license, free reign, and they hated Mattel influencing the content and flow of the 'their' cartoon. So, the show failed due to lack of toy sales. She-ra was planned to be introduced in the next season, but that did not happen because the writers became divas, pre-madonnas, and debutantes. They thought that they owned the show, so they would not listen to Mattel when Mattel was asking them to position certain characters (eg. Snakemen) in certain episodes strategically in order to get kids to buy the toys. It was too late because the writers did not want to give up the freedom that they were initially given.

You can back all that up with evidence yes?

There isn't any. He's either a troll or totally brain dead. Being both is not entirely out of the equation.