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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Trikeboy » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:17 am

They need to take notes from Hegemon.

I'm not claiming Hegemon is perfect, but he is damn near perfect. Takara really should get a few, take notes then improve on it significantly. What MP05 did wrong was try to emulate the G1 transformation which looked nothing like the character in the show. Megatron's head doesn't need to be the back of the gun. Hegemon's torso opens clam style and the head flips inside. The double hinge for the lower half on the body for Hegemon was perfectly engineered. Also, the arm cannon looks the perfect size in bot and gun mode and it doesn't need to be removed for transformation. The legs do need work, I don't deny it but I think working on a large Masterpiece scale, this is something they can do. I would rather have them split like Hegemon and not like G1 Megatron. They end up too skinny that way. Hegs looks bulky but I haven't felt my hand is stretched when holding him. Also, for the love of god, get the face right. I really don't like the face and head design on MP05. One last improvement, which going by MP10 they probably will do, give him his stock and silencer

Hegemon is like 95% perfect, I hope Takara take it to 100%
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Mykltron » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:23 am

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El Duque wrote:Hire the guy who designed Hegemon.
I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.

fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Trikeboy » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:31 am

Mykltron wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.


I have transformed MP05 multiple times without breakage. It feels like I might once or twice but he never has. MP05 looks best in gun mode with the 3rd party stock and silencer.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:17 am

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby robotmel » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:44 am

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I keep looking for a cheap MP-05 but they still seem to go for a pretty penny in the U.K., £80 plus, which makes me consider picking up Hegemon but is he a little small to be classed as Masterpiece (even with the new re-scaling thats kicking in)?

I really love the look of MP-05. If he was to be improved, reference his skinny legs and funny feet, seeing as he comes with a seperate stock etc, couldnt a couple of pieces be made to give bulk to the legs and feet which then combine with the stock when in alt gun mode? :-?
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:00 am

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Mykltron wrote:
El Duque wrote:Hire the guy who designed Hegemon.
I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.

fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.

He's one of my favourite toys to Transform and fiddle with, at first I was scared to transform him too often in case he loosens up too much and wouldn't' display well anymore, but then I remembered the second one that was accidentally shipped to me.

I love him, but man I would be a lying lire if I said I wouldn't' want a better one.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby njb902 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:25 am

Dead Metal wrote:
Mykltron wrote:
El Duque wrote:Hire the guy who designed Hegemon.
I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.

fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.

He's one of my favourite toys to Transform and fiddle with, at first I was scared to transform him too often in case he loosens up too much and wouldn't' display well anymore, but then I remembered the second one that was accidentally shipped to me.

I love him, but man I would be a lying lire if I said I wouldn't' want a better one.


lol about the free one. what would you say about using the g2 megs over g1?
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:42 am

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njb902 wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Mykltron wrote:
El Duque wrote:Hire the guy who designed Hegemon.
I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.

fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.

He's one of my favourite toys to Transform and fiddle with, at first I was scared to transform him too often in case he loosens up too much and wouldn't' display well anymore, but then I remembered the second one that was accidentally shipped to me.

I love him, but man I would be a lying lire if I said I wouldn't' want a better one.


lol about the free one. what would you say about using the g2 megs over g1?

I prefer G1 Megs, but wouldn't mind seeing a MP quality G2 Megatron, especially not if there was a G2 Lazer Prime to go with it.

Oh it wasn't free, I sent the seller some money, not full price mind you since he acted like an ass when I contacted him about it and asked him what to do with it.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:33 pm

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You're the lucky one DM. You have two. One to break one to preserve....... :lol:
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Blasphemous Prime » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:07 pm

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I just watched a review on the Hegemon figure, and after seeing it I think Hasbro/Takara should really take notes from the pelvis on down. While it's not a perfect gun stock, it works best for the robot mode in all ways. I think the MP-05 worked best from the abdomen on up.

I think if these 2 figures could be combined at the waist, the new Megatron mold will be awesome.

Of course, if the handle the QC issues of MP-05 as well, G1 Trans fans everywhere will rejoice! :APPLAUSE:
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Blasphemous Prime » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:22 pm

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Dead Metal wrote:
Mykltron wrote:
El Duque wrote:Hire the guy who designed Hegemon.
I was going to suggest basing the design on legends Megatron but that works as well.

fenrir72 wrote:MP-05 seems to have been designed never to be transformed. :HEADHURTS: Based on all your horror stories, I still haven't transformed him. :shock:
I, and others, have transformed him numerous times with no trouble.

He's one of my favourite toys to Transform and fiddle with, at first I was scared to transform him too often in case he loosens up too much and wouldn't' display well anymore, but then I remembered the second one that was accidentally shipped to me.

I love him, but man I would be a lying lire if I said I wouldn't' want a better one.



You got 2 for the price of one? OMG!

That reminds me of the guy on ebay who accidentally posted a Hasbro masterpiece starscream on ebay for $1 when he meant $100. He went to revise it and found out it was too late when ebay told him that he'd sold it to me! LOL! After shipping, I paid a total of $11.

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Blasphemous Prime » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:54 pm

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you know, even if his Cybertronian alt mode looked like this:

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As long as he turned out looking something like this:

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I think most collectors could live with that.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby orangeitis » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:20 pm

The problem with not only Megatron, but a lot more G1 characters seems to be bot mode limb girth. Try to imagine ways that G1 Bumblebee's limbs could compact into his tiny alt mode and you'll get the idea.

Megatron's legs are very thick. They transform from his alt mode's handle, which looks to me like it's actually thinner than even one of Meg's legs. This is the primary problem with MP Megatron's leg thickness.

The only solution I see would be to compromise. Make the gun mode's handle a bit thicker, and try giving the ability to extend Meg's shin thickness. Maybe stuff some more gun mode bits in there to offset the sudden hollowness his legs would have.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby TulioDude » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:22 pm

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Who thinks if would be cool if Megatron's cannon could transform to a more compact form?
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Kibble » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:20 pm

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If you believe Tcracker from TFW to be (or at least previously was) a legit insider, he has said in the past that Hegemon looks to have taken some cues from the upcoming MP Megs v2 mold... whether those cues were lifted or coincidental, I don't know.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:07 pm

Kibble wrote:If you believe Tcracker from TFW to be (or at least previously was) a legit insider, he has said in the past that Hegemon looks to have taken some cues from the upcoming MP Megs v2 mold... whether those cues were lifted or coincidental, I don't know.



:-? Interesting...
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Blasphemous Prime » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:03 am

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breakdown99 wrote:
Kibble wrote:If you believe Tcracker from TFW to be (or at least previously was) a legit insider, he has said in the past that Hegemon looks to have taken some cues from the upcoming MP Megs v2 mold... whether those cues were lifted or coincidental, I don't know.



:-? Interesting...


Very!
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby zodconvoy » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:42 am

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TulioDude wrote:Who thinks if would be cool if Megatron's cannon could transform to a more compact form?


I've thought that the barrel of the canon could telescope to be longer or shorter. In my opinion, none of the toys canon length has been right.

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breakdown99 wrote:
Kibble wrote:If you believe Tcracker from TFW to be (or at least previously was) a legit insider, he has said in the past that Hegemon looks to have taken some cues from the upcoming MP Megs v2 mold... whether those cues were lifted or coincidental, I don't know.



:-? Interesting...


Very!


How would they have taken some design cues from something that is most likely still in the planning stages? I thinking coincidence but then I tend to not assume direct theft of a Takara design unless iGear is involved. >:oP
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Kibble » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:43 am

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zodconvoy wrote:How would they have taken some design cues from something that is most likely still in the planning stages? I thinking coincidence but then I tend to not assume direct theft of a Takara design unless iGear is involved. >:oP


By someone having access to the prototype/design plans...either a Takara employee, former employee, or has a connection to either one of those. I'm not saying that's actually the case, I don't know, but that's how it would be done. If I recall, that's kinda where the thread was going, but you know how the internet works. An 'insider' says one thing, and of course that info has a certain degree of vagueness to it, then the crazy internet 'facts' begin to take shape.

But the only worthwhile thing I take away from that is the new MP Megs supposedly looks to have some similarities in design to Hegemon...that it's more similar to that than it is MP-05. But I bolded the key word above...this is all 'he tell me' info after all.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby REMINATOR » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:28 am

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Yes, I agreed we need a new Meggy V2. Since he developed cosmic rust, I'm afraid to transform til this day, ehhe. Beside the huge gun barrel which he can't hold, I don't like MP5 design from the waist down. For some reasons, MP5 tends to sway in one way when you make him stand so I have to adjust him.

As for Hegemon, although the overall is good, my biggest beef with him are:
1, the huge gun trigger locates at his back body. MP5 does it better by hiding inside each leg.
2, I don't know what it is but the black lower leg looks kind of strange. Not sure if it's too blocky, or the fact you don't see the knee joint as a separation from the upper thigh.
3, I also the don't like the huge attached waist kibble panels.

For MP Meggy V2, my wishlist:
1. I agreed with the folks that said concentrate on the robot mode first then compromise the alt.mode. Besides, most people display their TFs in robot mode most of the time.
2. Find way to make the gun barrel/telescope smaller, or has an adjustable in length. Also, make that section light weight so he can actually hold it.
3. Beef up his leg damn it. Also, give him some real feet!
The rest I can live with it.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby orangeitis » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:39 am

REMINATOR wrote:Also, give him some real feet!
Nooo, let's not. :(

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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Jazz813 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:47 am

It would be great if their will be come a new MP Megatron mold, because the MP Megatron which exist at the moment suck hard, not just because the rust but also the arms and legs aren't that good, and it will be great if a new MP Megatron looks a little bit like the Toyworld Hegemon, because this one looks really great even it's just a third party product. :-?
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:34 am

Kibble wrote:
zodconvoy wrote:How would they have taken some design cues from something that is most likely still in the planning stages? I thinking coincidence but then I tend to not assume direct theft of a Takara design unless iGear is involved. >:oP


By someone having access to the prototype/design plans...either a Takara employee, former employee, or has a connection to either one of those. I'm not saying that's actually the case, I don't know, but that's how it would be done. If I recall, that's kinda where the thread was going, but you know how the internet works. An 'insider' says one thing, and of course that info has a certain degree of vagueness to it, then the crazy internet 'facts' begin to take shape.

But the only worthwhile thing I take away from that is the new MP Megs supposedly looks to have some similarities in design to Hegemon...that it's more similar to that than it is MP-05. But I bolded the key word above...this is all 'he tell me' info after all.


:-? Intriguing
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby hattknall » Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:00 pm

Yes, a new Megatron too everyone. I hope there will be one soon.
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Re: How they might improve Megatron for a new MP mold

Postby Son of Carl » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:14 am

gothweaver wrote:you know, even if his Cybertronian alt mode looked like this:

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As long as he turned out looking something like this:

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I think most collectors could live with that.


This is exactly what I was thinking. They could turn Megatron's alt mode into a cannon. It would still be really cool, and it wouldn't compromise his robot mode. Plus if he isn't a gun there wouldn't be any need for an orange cap.

I just want a Megatron that looks like he can pose a threat to Optimus Prime. MP-05's narrow arms a stick legs made him look frail when standing beside MP-01. And with all the other recent releases trying to focus on cartoon accuracy, I really hope Megatron follows suit.
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