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Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Black Hat » Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:29 am

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Oh boy, another wall of words about combiners! Great...

Anyway. I like combiners. They're cool concepts and look great, and they are a fun play pattern. But honestly I'm not massively invested in having 100% faithful representations down to the last rivet of the G1 combiners; partly due to their cartoon counterparts being often less interesting than their component members, and partly because IMO the interchangeability aspect is one of their coolest features. As such, I'm actually quite fond of non-standard layouts for combiners, to the point I actually didn't mind the auxiliary members of CW.

So, dear Seibertronians, what are your favourite non-standard combiner setups? I hasten to add this means anything from swapping default limb positions on standard Scramble City combiners to inter-team mixtures to integration of non-CW figures, official or otherwise- go nuts!

Myself...

>I have a bit of a history with Defensor. I originally bought the UW Defensor set, and then Blades' HFG port cracked. I initially bought Rook to replace him (thus making Defensor far more aesthetically pleasing to boot) but then Groove broke too and I had to send the whole box back (sans Rook of course). I then bought the Maketoys Defensor, who served for quite a while as a rather stellar combiner...until Groove's metal parts developed fatigue and shattered, which was a widespread problem with him. Now having 4/5ths of a combiner, I considered investing in a divergent setup for Defensor by getting CW Hotspot, Prowl, Firstaid and Groove from the secondary market, and along with Rook forming a totally inaccurate but pretty nice looking combiner. However, just as I was considering palming off my remaining MT Protectobots, I discovered Rook's combiner peg can be wedged into a socket on Defensor's leg strut, and due to his construction can fully replace Groove with no ill effects to stability (the connection is not the strongest but it's absolutely stable enough for display and has not required any modification to either figure). You could probably do the same with CW Groove too, but I don't have him and honestly prefer Rook. In fact I'd go as far as to say Rook makes a better leg than the default Groove that came with the set!
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>UW Computron is a real favourite of mine, but he briefly had Nosecone replaced with CW Firefly as my first Nosecone somehow broke out of the box, though he was swiftly replaced by TFS Express' excellent customer service. Now that he has all his members present I regularly switch up his configuration- Nosecone's drill arm mode is exceptionally fun. I also find that the Moonracer mold can be converted into a rather nice combiner scaled rifle, shown here modeled by Computron. (The feet are SteamShield's Shapeways "combiner slippers".)
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>Lastly, Superion. I actually really don't much care for the default Aerialbot limbs, as IMO they're some of the weaker CW molds, not helped by their mediocre vehicle modes. However, I have since realized that TFC's Aerialbots, due to their similar size, joint setup and use of Energon-style combiner ports, could be combined with CW Silverbolt (as opposed to the desultory TFC Silverbolt) with the aid of Shapeways parts, again available from SteamShield, to create the perfect Superion- the right jet modes, more impressive limbs, better extremities but with a nice and stable torso. I like this idea so much that once I've either moved out or made some space I'm going to try and track down a set of the TFC Aerialbots, buy the adapters and combine them with my CW Silverbolt, along with a few parts scavenged from the TFC Silverbolt, notably the admittedly badass SR-71 engines. Unfortunately it seemed Silverbolt was impatient to combine again and roped some friends into forming a rather makeshift gestalt. Behold, Inferion!
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Black Hat » Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:14 pm

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So I got my TFC Aerialbots in. The adapters worked!

...Sort of.

Unfortunately, whilst theoretically just as poseable as either Uranos or CW Superion, the stability on this thing is a joke. The connectors barely hold onto the limbs, which are just too heavy. He looks cool mind you, but this will likely be the first and only time I have him looking like this.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby o.supreme » Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:50 pm

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My apologies for the delay. i saw this a while back, but was in a super busy moment and forgot.

Combiners and Giant bases/city formers are my favorite aspects of the TF fiction. "A whole that is more than the sum of their parts". I love this idea, and the concept even as it has transcended much of Japanese Tokusatsu and Anime for the past 40+ years.

I'm kind of odd in that... I love the traditional Combiner teams, which is why I purchased all the UW sets. However...I love adding new additions as well, I try to make sure they all have a place. Not going to repost again, but from CW, Legends, UW, PotP I've come up with some 30+ unique combiners, not using a single character twice, unless it has an "in fiction" explanation.

Probably my favorite non-standard combiner at the moment would be UW-05 Convoy Grad Prime (aka Ultra Prime), and UW-06 Grand Galvatron.

Additionally, while things such as Hasbro's attempt at LioKaiser was not ideal, I'd rather have it than nothing at all. There are several Combiners that I woudl love to have a modern take on, but instead, now TT has switched tactics to re-releasing already released combiners, which is a shame.

My biggest contention right now is this. I have a place for every bot limb and Torso released except... PotP Inferno is left incomplete.... PotP Jazz, & Selects Ricochet are the legs and PotP Wreck-Gar is an arm...still need one more arm to complete him.

Many fans have made suggestions, but believe me, I have thought of every conceivable combination, and all other limbs are accounted for, even Red Swoop. Hasbro or TT just needs to make one more limb.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby AutobotDad » Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:14 pm

I got back into TF right around the end of CW so I have some really odd combiners going on. I have most of a Menasor (no dragstrip Ripper snapper standing in)

I have an Elita Inf1nite with dread wind, Blackwing, Jazz, and wreck gar.

I picked up Starscream when he was $10 on Amazon but I don’t have enough limbs to do anything with him. I would love it if there were seeker limbs or something for him.

There don’t seem to be a ton of combiner limbs still available at retail, I think I’ve seen Lancer, swoop and ricochet . I was half hoping we’d get some more combiner limbs here and there moving forward that would work well with Starscream sorta like they finished the set for Elita.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby o.supreme » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:15 pm

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Just FYI... I know it may be super expensive, but for Starscream I have Dreadwind and Blackwing, as well as the Botcon 2016 Terrorsaur and Golden Lagoon Starscream standing in as "Sunstorm" ;)
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:30 pm

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I like to keep my combiners accurate to the way they were portrayed in the G1 comics, as that's the continuity I grew up with. So most of my combiners are boring same old, but that's how I like them. I got Inferno set up with his Magnificent Six crew, Sunstreaker and Wheeljack the arms, and Jazz and Prowl the legs. I also tried to make. Marvel-accurate Bruticus, with UW Cyclonus standing in for Onslaught, G2 Vortex and the exclusive shuttle Blast Off as the arms and G1 Swindle and Brawl the legs. So with the other Onslaught, jet Blast Off, G1 Vortex, G2 Brawl and Swindle I made the IDW version.

Otherwise I didn't go crazy with combiners, and recently I've started selling off sone of my CW, TR and PoTP figures.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Black Hat » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:45 am

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A Magnificent Six combiner is a great idea! I haven't read much of the old Marvel comics, but that sounds like a great use for some of the "because we said so" CW/POTP redecos.

As a side note, I posted this in the Poses thread but I managed to reinforce the connections on the hybrid Superion, and he's solid as a rock now. Hooray!
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Bone Age » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:20 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I got Inferno set up with his Magnificent Six crew, Sunstreaker and Wheeljack the arms, and Jazz and Prowl the legs.

I'd love to see a pic of this. I have an Inferno and went nuts trying to decide what limbs to give him. I mean I spent months trying to figure out what I wanted to do, with various ideas from "red Defensor" to "only PotP limbs to go with the PotP torso" to "pick a favorite combiner gestalt and just put Inferno as the body (which I chose Sky Reign)". I ended up discovering Guard City and that seemed like a great idea too. But honestly to do any of those complete sets I'd have to drop sometimes $40+ on each figure (if I wanted them complete anyway), and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Part of what made the whole thing so hard was the limits imposed by my budget. So I pretty much drove myself crazy lol, and then gave up on the whole thing. I still have Inferno and Jazz though.

The other problem is I just couldn't find a lot of images out there where Inferno was being used as the combiner torso. Most have him using Defensor / PotP limbs, which I got sick of. I'd love to see how your guy ended up looking. Might kind of validate my idea that there actually IS a great combination of limbs out there for Inferno, ya know?
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Bone Age » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:25 am

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Also, I'll weigh in with my thoughts on non-standard combiners. What the term means to me is any gestalt that is less than 5 total figures. I guess that kind of leaps right over what you were asking about (5 set combiners in non-standard setups) but that's just what interest me.

I like the idea of a smaller team because it feels more compact and concise.

So far as I've discovered, the only combiners that fit that description are LandFill and Rail Racer from RID 2001. I currently have the Walmart Exclusive LandFill which means all four characters are in their yellow color scheme, but I have the idea to grab the original colored Wedge (orange) and Hightower (red) and see how they look when combined with the yellow Grimlock and Heavyload.

I'm pretty excited about the idea but I haven't actually purchased those two figures yet. Maybe now I'll have some motivation to do it so I can share on this thread.

Oh yeah, I forgot Tripredacus and Magnaboss. I can't bring myself to purchase Magnaboss because he's just so outdated and clunky IMO, but maybe if WFC: Kingdom does well we'll see more Beastformers in the future, and possibly a new MB?

Other than the ones I mentioned, does anybody know of any other 4-or-less-combiner sets?
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby o.supreme » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:42 am

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Road Caesar from Victory is actually a solid 3 member combiner.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:42 am

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If we're counting cassettes and Mini-Cons:

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Road Caesar

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Robots in Disguise 2001
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Rail Racer

Unicron Trilogy
Armada Perceptor
Energon Peceptor

The cousin-line Yuusha/Brave has plenty more, some even get upgraded by an extra member.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby o.supreme » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:46 am

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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
The cousin-line Yuusha/Brave has plenty more, some even get upgraded by an extra member.


Those series are so awesome, i wish they would get more expore in the west, thankfully most of them are fansubbed.

I watched all of GaoGaiGar (the only one to make it to DVD), and watched Mightgaine subbed, and am going through Exkaiser now (so fun to see the "Dinobots" evil twins ;) ) . and will go through the rest eventually.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:51 am

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o.supreme wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
The cousin-line Yuusha/Brave has plenty more, some even get upgraded by an extra member.


Those series are so awesome, i wish they would get more expore in the west, thankfully most of them are fansubbed.

I watched all of GaoGaiGar (the only one to make it to DVD), and watched Mightgaine subbed, and am going through Exkaiser now (so fun to see the "Dinobots" evil twins ;) ) . and will go through the rest eventually.


You talking about Dinobots made me realise I forgot one:

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- CW Stunticon limbs (Drag Strip, Dead End, Breakdown, Brake-Neck, Offroad or TFCC Grabuge) + Blackjack
- Greenlight, Lancer and PotP Elita-1 (plus repro Victorion hands and feet?)
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Overcracker » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:00 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
The cousin-line Yuusha/Brave has plenty more, some even get upgraded by an extra member.


Those series are so awesome, i wish they would get more expore in the west, thankfully most of them are fansubbed.

I watched all of GaoGaiGar (the only one to make it to DVD), and watched Mightgaine subbed, and am going through Exkaiser now (so fun to see the "Dinobots" evil twins ;) ) . and will go through the rest eventually.


I'm surprised Takara has not retooled PotP Rodimus Prime into Exkaiser / King Exkaiser. has pretty much the same concept, Sports car combines with trailer, though the combination with trailer is admittedly different, I'm sure they can retool HotRod's hood to rotate and show the lion head chest for King Exkaiser.

They did extensive retools for both Star Convoy and Big Powered. So retooling Rodimus does not seems all that difficult.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby TF-fan kev777 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:01 pm

o.supreme wrote:Many fans have made suggestions, but believe me, I have thought of every conceivable combination, and all other limbs are accounted for, even Red Swoop. Hasbro or TT just needs to make one more limb.


Have you considered the toyhax sticker sets to make you a new character from an existing one? Exhaust from Wheeljack was a really nice set that I just sold off recently.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby o.supreme » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:04 pm

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True, but I'm not too well versed in the toys, someone correct me if I am wrong, but somehow did Bandai get the toy license for Brave series from Takara? I know there are some Soul of Chogokin toys that are made by Bandai, but because they are direct competitors, I'm not sure how that works.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby o.supreme » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:07 pm

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TF-fan kev777 wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Many fans have made suggestions, but believe me, I have thought of every conceivable combination, and all other limbs are accounted for, even Red Swoop. Hasbro or TT just needs to make one more limb.


Have you considered the toyhax sticker sets to make you a new character from an existing one? Exhaust from Wheeljack was a really nice set that I just sold off recently.


There are many awesome customs out there, the fans are quite talented but it's just not my thing. I know there really isn't much difference between a custom and a Botcon "Build-a-figure", but it's just a semantics thing to me, I don't want to go unofficial if I can help it.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Bone Age » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:07 pm

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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:If we're counting cassettes and Mini-Cons:

Unicron Trilogy
Armada Perceptor
Energon Peceptor

The cousin-line Yuusha/Brave has plenty more, some even get upgraded by an extra member.

Can't believe I forgot Omega Prime and yes, we are definitely counting mini-cons at least. I forgot about Perceptor and the toy looks pretty great. Might consider getting that one soon.

Where can I find out more on this Brave series? I did an image search for "Yuusha/Brave" and it just looked like a bunch of Gundams.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:11 pm

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Overcracker wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
The cousin-line Yuusha/Brave has plenty more, some even get upgraded by an extra member.


Those series are so awesome, i wish they would get more expore in the west, thankfully most of them are fansubbed.

I watched all of GaoGaiGar (the only one to make it to DVD), and watched Mightgaine subbed, and am going through Exkaiser now (so fun to see the "Dinobots" evil twins ;) ) . and will go through the rest eventually.


I'm surprised Takara has not retooled PotP Rodimus Prime into Exkaiser / King Exkaiser. has pretty much the same concept, Sports car combines with trailer, though the combination with trailer is admittedly different, I'm sure they can retool HotRod's hood to rotate and show the lion head chest for King Exkaiser.

They did extensive retools for both Star Convoy and Big Powered. So retooling Rodimus does not seems all that difficult.


... Except Yuusha/Brave has the same type of legal conundrum as Go-Bots; the toy designs belong to TakaraTomy, but the anime character designs belong to Sunrise, now part of Bandai. That's how they make Super Miniplas and Soul of Chogokins of the franchise. >:oP

Information on Yuusha/Brave is pretty fragmented, but here's a link to galleries of some of the toys:

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- Greenlight, Lancer and PotP Elita-1 (plus repro Victorion hands and feet?)
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Overcracker wrote:[

I'm surprised Takara has not retooled PotP Rodimus Prime into Exkaiser / King Exkaiser. has pretty much the same concept, Sports car combines with trailer, though the combination with trailer is admittedly different, I'm sure they can retool HotRod's hood to rotate and show the lion head chest for King Exkaiser.

They did extensive retools for both Star Convoy and Big Powered. So retooling Rodimus does not seems all that difficult.


... Except Yuusha/Brave has the same type of legal conundrum as Go-Bots; the toy designs belong to TakaraTomy, but the anime character designs belong to Sunrise, now part of Bandai. That's how they make Super Miniplas and Soul of Chogokins of the franchise. >:oP

Information on Yuusha/Brave is pretty fragmented, but here's a link to galleries of some of the toys:

BraveDX (anything past Red Geist in the timeline is not Brave)

Back to Transformers!


Ahh I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:54 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I got Inferno set up with his Magnificent Six crew, Sunstreaker and Wheeljack the arms, and Jazz and Prowl the legs.

I'd love to see a pic of this. I have an Inferno and went nuts trying to decide what limbs to give him. I just couldn't find a lot of images out there where Inferno was being used as the combiner torso. Most have him using Defensor / PotP limbs, which I got sick of. I'd love to see how your guy ended up looking. Might kind of validate my idea that there actually IS a great combination of limbs out there for Inferno, ya know?
I couldn't get Wreck-Gar to stay on as the chest armor, so he's just kinda hanging around.
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Re: Hybrid/non-standard combiners

Postby Bone Age » Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:28 am

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Rodimus Prime wrote:I couldn't get Wreck-Gar to stay on as the chest armor, so he's just kinda hanging around.
Thanks for sharing! Yeahhhh....I like this and all but in the end I feel like there's just not a combination possible with Inferno that I really could like / want to have. Ultimately, I really just don't like how the CW gestalts look...bulky and chunky in the wrong places, imho. Also, I'm in the camp that doesn't like the yellow they gave Sunstreaker. It don't look right up against Inferno's red.

It reminds me of watered-down orange juice which kind of makes me gag.
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