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or I thought you were hinting at a future where Disney snaps hasbro up (although that does mean Kingdom hearts could cross over with transformers which I find completely awesome as other means a minicon keyblade) though as long as they didn't try to fold the tfs into the marvel comics as it wouldn't work at all...outside referencing that spiderman was in the first few g1 issues.

I wasn't expecting this article to bring up responses like this mind. Why is it so hard for humans just to be nice to each other instead of relishing in annoying/tormenting others. Is it the Internet anonymous theory again

@Va'al are you hinting at anything being behind Chris leaving after just getting back that job?

ZeroWolf wrote:@Va'al are you hinting at anything being behind Chris leaving after just getting back that job?

Nothing at all, just legitimately confused/intrigued at what might come next!
Scotty is the conspiracy dawg.

ZeroWolf wrote::lol: or I thought you were hinting at a future where Disney snaps hasbro up (although that does mean Kingdom hearts could cross over with transformers which I find completely awesome as other means a minicon keyblade) though as long as they didn't try to fold the tfs into the marvel comics as it wouldn't work at all...outside referencing that spiderman was in the first few g1 issues.

I wasn't expecting this article to bring up responses like this mind. Why is it so hard for humans just to be nice to each other instead of relishing in annoying/tormenting others. Is it the Internet anonymous theory again

@Va'al are you hinting at anything being behind Chris leaving after just getting back that job?

Annoying and tormenting others? JEEZ, you need to grow a pair dude. Strongly voiced opinions are not about "tormenting" people. If you find a post "annoying" either 1) Ignore it, or 2) Fire back. Being "nice" all the time leads to pointless forums. What is the point in everyone constantly agreeing on a forum? Is there only one valid opinion? Maybe in your little safe space. Not in mine. IDW sucks and so do it's readers. Deal with the controversey of my statement.

EVERYONE here is entitled to express their opinions. Blanket broad sweeping statements should be avoided, or it should at least be understood that someone's going to come along to strongly defend their point of view if those types of statements are to be made. This conversation with all involved can continue as long as level heads prevail.

Not a fan of the direction of IDW's Transformers comics? That's fine ... just be considerate and respectful of the opinions of those who are fans.

Big fan of the direction of IDW's Transformers comics? That's fine ... just be considerate and respectful of the opinions of those who are not fans.

If you can't control yourself (this message goes to people arguing on both sides), then someone with forum admin abilities will step in and take appropriate actions.

On that note, back to the debate!

Sorry, but I don't "respect" opinions of people I totally disagree with. I respect them as human beings yes...but not their opinions. To disagree, is to disrespect an opinion.

Then why aren't you ignoring the posts you don't like? In fact it seems like you directly want a response otherwise you would of seen the report, sneer/cheer/etc and then went on to do something else. Give a provocative opinion and you know people will respond in kind. You try to claim the moral high ground by saying "ignore it" then talk about safespaces and snowflakes. Shouldn't you practise what you preach? I'll freely admit my hypocrisy sometimes but then again I'm only human. Also yes you can have dissenting opinions but it's how you express them which is the problem. Look at counterpunchs post again as he points these out.

If anything I would argue now that arguments are being put to extremes, like openly wishing a company to fail because it didn't make the story choices you wanted

ZeroWolf wrote:Then why aren't you ignoring the posts you don't like? In fact it seems like you directly want a response otherwise you would of seen the report, sneer/cheer/etc and then went on to do something else. Give a provocative opinion and you know people will respond in kind. You try to claim the moral high ground by saying "ignore it" then talk about safespaces and snowflakes. Shouldn't you practise what you preach? I'll freely admit my hypocrisy sometimes but then again I'm only human. Also yes you can have dissenting opinions but it's how you express them which is the problem. Look at counterpunchs post again as he points these out.

If anything I would argue now that arguments are being put to extremes, like openly wishing a company to fail because it didn't make the story choices you wanted

I said there are two options for posts you find annoying - 1) Ignore it, or 2) Fire back. I will always fire back, but maybe SJW snowflakes should do more of the ignoring if they find debate so upsetting. My opinion about IDW and wishing it to fail for ruining endless 80s franchises is only "provocative" because certain people disagree with me. I don't find it provocative at all. This is what disagreement consists of.

Also, not to be a grammar Nazi but the correct sentence should be - "you would've seen the report" not "you would of seen the report". "Would've" is a contraction of "Would have". It's not the same as saying "would of", which makes no sense at all.

Seibertron wrote:Said a bunch of "hey, I'm the owner of Seibertron.com" stuff to hopefully help keep folks in line ...

Those who know me fairly well, know that I have often not been a fan of the direction of IDWs comics, whether it be story direction, character choices, characterizations, artists, writers, writing style (** not everyone should be written as sarcastic James Roberts!!! **), etc. While I have not agreed with many of IDWs decisions with how they have handled the Transformers comics, I give them a lot of credit for doing things with this brand of comics that was forward thinking, often controversial and divisive, and definitely boundary pushing and oftentimes uncomfortable on many levels.

While I've not been a fan of how much real world social issues have been explored with the Transformers, some of those topics have turned into some amazing and beloved stories such as Chromedome and Rewind's relationship, mental health issues thanks to Megatron's story, and so on, and have helped provide a voice and a fictional character with whom some can relate to those who have felt underrepresented in mainstream media. However, I feel like some of these issues are constantly being presented while more traditional social issues are often ignored. This lack of balance is oftentimes the source of my frustration while reading these stories. I find that I'm often torn between wanting to celebrate the diversity and social issues that have been long overdue to be introduced into the world of the Transformers while at the same time would like to see some other social issues explored or just get back to the basics of Autobots versus Decepticons. The post-war exploration has been fascinating on one hand, but I certainly wouldn't mind getting back to basics on the other.

Like I said, I'm torn. I definitely understand both the basics of the debate in this topic, while disagreeing with some of the far sides of the conversation. I think, somewhere, there is a happy medium that would make most of us happy.

I am looking forward to the Unicron storyline because, fingers crossed, I think it might be IDWs answer to undo some of the storylines from the past couple of years that I have been unhappy with such as Hasbroverse and other things.

Hopefully I was able to tread carefully here so as not to upset anyone, that was definitely not my goal.

Transcendent30 wrote:Sorry, but I don't "respect" opinions of people I totally disagree with. I respect them as human beings yes...but not their opinions. To disagree, is to disrespect an opinion.

Actually, no it 100% isn't at all. You can disagree without doing it in a disrespectful manner, which is where it seems you are encountering some difficulties in this conversation. You are being flat out being rude to some people here. There is a way to say "hey not a fan of IDWs" work without coming across as a jerk and without completely dismissing the opinions of those you disagree with in a flagrant manner. Please figure out how to do that very quickly.

Transcendent30 wrote:Also, not to be a grammar Nazi but the correct sentence should be - "you would've seen the report" not "you would of seen the report". "Would've" is a contraction of "Would have". It's not the same as saying "would of", which makes no sense at all.

You are being a grammar "Nazi", as you put it. There is no need to do this in the middle of having the debate with others, other than to try to belittle others and/or to derail this conversation by distracting it with irrelevant sidetracks. As I stated above, you need to figure out a way to converse in a civil manner really quickly, especially now that I'm aware of your tone with other members here on Seibertron.com's forums. I like to see debate on our forums. It is very healthy for the sake of discussion, and I certainly would not enjoy our forums here as much if everyone agreed with each other. That, my friend, would just be boring. However, I do expect everyone that participates here on Seibertron.com to be respectful of each other and their opinions, even if you disagree with them.

I was being told to "respect" people's opinions, which I have just refuted. As for having a disrespectful manner....I was just firing back at the poster who said they "dispise people like" me. They started it, not me.
To be honest, feel free to disrespect me all you want. My feelings can't be hurt by posts on a Transformers forum *shrugs*.

Va'al wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:@Va'al are you hinting at anything being behind Chris leaving after just getting back that job?

Nothing at all, just legitimately confused/intrigued at what might come next!
Scotty is the conspiracy dawg.

Aha, here it is! https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... les/40033/

I just wonder if maybe the position was temporary anyway, and more to do with the general reshufflings of the IDW editorial teams overall. As we don't know when the decision was made, I don't suppose we'll ever really figure it out unless Ryall says so directly.



Also, as the news broke, I commented on it by claiming it was all ScottyP's fault. Wanted Death's Head so bad from Marvel, they had to give them Ryall/Rom. The latter is not the case, but ScottyP has yet to deny my claims.

I don't mind being corrected actually as it helps me to keep it mind so I can catch my own mistakes quicker before I hit the send button.

I must say though, I never thought of megatron's arc as one to do with mental health so that's an interesting take which I'll bear in mind next time I read through it. I still say good guy megatron is one of the best decisions that's been taken, and I would like to think that with him being relocated to the functionist universe that he'll be safe from unicron. Even if there is a reboot (with evil megatron and all that) that he'll still make appearances and maybe even fight his evil side a couple of times. Though it would be nice to see beast wars megatron take the spotlight...

Transcendent30 wrote:I was being told to "respect" people's opinions, which I have just refuted. As for having a disrespectful manner....I was just firing back at the poster who said they "dispise people like" me. They started it, not me.
To be honest, feel free to disrespect me all you want. My feelings can't be hurt by posts on a Transformers forum *shrugs*.

I just have to ask: Why is respect such a bad thing to give to people with differing opinions? Calling them snowflakes etc also just makes most of us ignore you since you can't write a rational opinion without name calling. Even if it's basic not super offensive name calling to people like me. But then again I'm probably one of those "icky SJWs" to you.

I haven't personally read the comics but I'd like to.

The "SJW" issues are just writers trying to give some people things to relate to. There are transgender transformers fans etc. Having one TF who's "trans" really doesn't ruin anything. They're alien robots, they're not real. But even alien robots could have feelings and stuff. I mean maybe some identify as nonbinary, who knows! (I think it would be cool to have a few but that's just me.)

Anyway, no one is forcing you to read these comics after all.

As someone who has been reading since the 1980's both UK and Us books I'm hoping for a big change. I stopped reading a while ago and that makes me sad because I love Transformers comics.

Truly the end of an era.

So the rumours about the current comic continuity coming to a close is starting to really look like it'll happen. What I'm confused about is, will they reboot it? Ending the characters that we all knew and creating a brand new continuity? Because that would be drastic, but I think I'm ok with it. I'd rather have a reboot of everything. It's all been rather daunting especially after the Hasbroverse unification. It was a good attempt, but I think Hasbro realized that if there is no success in one aspect of the combined franchise, it would trickle to all of them. All their eggs in one basket.

I'm actually hoping the Bumblebee movie would be a great second wind for the Bay movies. 80s setting, Bee as a VW.

I've been doing a lot of reflecting on my opinions of the bay movies and my "hate" towards them.

I think if it is rebooted then they'll still be a shared universe but I think the approach will be a lot different and should hopefully be setup to grow organically instead of all jumping out of transformers, though rom/transformers was good. More like that one please

ZeroWolf wrote:I think if it is rebooted then they'll still be a shared universe but I think the approach will be a lot different and should hopefully be setup to grow organically instead of all jumping out of transformers, though rom/transformers was good. More like that one please

Maybe something like the Flashpoint in DC?

Also yes! Rom vs. Transformers was incredible.

Yeah something like flash point could work though I'd prefer DC rebirth type quality

Va'al wrote:Also, as the news broke, I commented on it by claiming it was all ScottyP's fault. Wanted Death's Head so bad from Marvel, they had to give them Ryall/Rom. The latter is not the case, but ScottyP has yet to deny my claims.

I loved the Death's Head reference in Lost Light recently. Made me really happy. I'd love to see Death's Head and ROM swap companies.

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't mind being corrected actually as it helps me to keep it mind so I can catch my own mistakes quicker before I hit the send button.

I must say though, I never thought of megatron's arc as one to do with mental health so that's an interesting take which I'll bear in mind next time I read through it. I still say good guy megatron is one of the best decisions that's been taken, and I would like to think that with him being relocated to the functionist universe that he'll be safe from unicron. Even if there is a reboot (with evil megatron and all that) that he'll still make appearances and maybe even fight his evil side a couple of times. Though it would be nice to see beast wars megatron take the spotlight...

Especially once the "placebo" concept was introduced into the narrative. In addition to mental health, it kind of sort of brought prescription drugs into it, which I give James Roberts an immense amount of credit for somehow working another social issue into Transformers. Maybe it's a stretch, but it certainly read as him tackling mental health issues in Transformers.

Reading his work is very frustrating to me because there are so many things he does that I really like, but while one page has something I really like, the very next page can have something I strongly dislike. His writings have me all over the board.

Is "Robertsism" a used term yet amongst the Transformers fandom, ala "Furmanism"? Furmanism is much catchier. We need some term to describe the idiosyncrasies of James Roberts writings.

He looks like a dork. Maybe things will improve with him gone, one can only hope

Seibertron wrote:

Va'al wrote:Also, as the news broke, I commented on it by claiming it was all ScottyP's fault. Wanted Death's Head so bad from Marvel, they had to give them Ryall/Rom. The latter is not the case, but ScottyP has yet to deny my claims.

I loved the Death's Head reference in Lost Light recently. Made me really happy. I'd love to see Death's Head and ROM swap companies.

To be fair I wouldn't have minded keeping rom and getting death's head, there must have been a way for both companies to use him (if I recall correctly death's head was used more in the British set comics starring captain Britain)

kinda sad at this

chris made the IDW TF books what they were in bringing in furman to world build it and getting all the stellar artists to illustrates it .

the golden age of IDW TF books if you will.

and ive had interactions with him on the IDW message boards when they were still a thing and he came off as a really top bloke. fans could interact with creators on a level ive not seen since stan lee and co back in the day. its a pity theyre not still up there to be seen anyomre.

TBH i dont think the books were really as strong or coherent once he stepped back circa the AHM period onward. a case of blinking on the part of the company if you will.
its been floundering about the place since with only the first seasons of RID and MTMTE being anywhere near as good as the stuff we got in the -ATIONS series and they got buggered up by HASBRO interference IMO with dark cybertron.
i mean jesus whats being produced now has been some of the most aimless and badly drawn stuff ive seen this side of SJW marvel and is stuffed to the gills with characters i couldnt give toss one about. OPTIMUS PRIME is like reading a Avengers book lead by Captain america - but made up of Z listers with no iron man thor or the rest to be seen. mental when you consider just how many characters TF has without creating MORE no one in any real numbers cares about. While Lost Light - which is meant to be the book focusing on "nobodies" is the one that has the most recognizable characters now and when roberts isnt virtue signaling like mad, hes forced to got back 10yrs or so to find a decent plot to base the story on.

i think the HASBROVERSE was a step too far for IDW and chris as too much was attempted too quickly with NO real talent pool to draw upon to supply it and its shown in the books, which have crashed and burned in the wake of it.

ultimatley thats whats done Chris in.

the company is in real trouble. its touched up its shareholders for 14 MILLION over the last two years with 10 being asked for in the last year alone . thats some MASSIVE dilution of stock for ordinary punters and the profits have nosedived by 91% putting it in the league of - to paraphrase a certain youtuber- "a decent dentists business"

if it was a publishing biz alone it'd be gone by now. pretty much the only thing making any money there is the tourist brochure wing that stocks hotels.

so unfortunately sad as it is to see a once GOOD editor go , like alonso at marvel its not a surprise.

before the years out i reckon your gonna see alot more go and a complete restructuring of the publishing business. meaning the wholesale cancellation of books and a relaunch of the strongest brands to get the company back on its feet before it gets more adventurist again.

bar that its a closedown and the liscences go elsewhere. the above may all seem harsh, but at the end of the day this is a business and books selling 5 to 6 thousand copies are not sustainable

Seibertron wrote:

Va'al wrote:Also, as the news broke, I commented on it by claiming it was all ScottyP's fault. Wanted Death's Head so bad from Marvel, they had to give them Ryall/Rom. The latter is not the case, but ScottyP has yet to deny my claims.

I loved the Death's Head reference in Lost Light recently. Made me really happy. I'd love to see Death's Head and ROM swap companies.

I wonder how Rom would go fitting in with Marvels "outer space" branch. Nova Corps are currently in a rebuilding phase, the Raptors are currently running wild, the Kree are just starting to find their feet again, the Skrulls are basically irrelevant, Thanos is doing his ... thing. Rom (and by extension the Spaceknights) might be able to fit in there somewhere.

Otherwise just dump him with the Guardians, they need a fresh team look (which probably won't happen until after GotG3)