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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby 1984forever » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:24 am

Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:03 am

1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.


Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:33 am

Va'al wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
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Randomhero wrote:And I totally respect your opinion and the review. I can see this issue polarizing people. You either loved it or didn't. The solicites very much sold this as a conclusion and if you were looking for a conclusion I can understand frustration. The solicites are getting pretty bad in my opinion anymore. It said Optimus vs Galvatron, didn't happen. Cosmos vs soundwave, didn't happen. It all comes together! It didn't.


Oh, I very much expect it all to happen from #50 onwards - but how it just happened here did not sit well with me.

Optimus is a colonialist prick with egotistic tendencies (as we already knew, really; he shoulda stayed Orion Pax flitting through space). I do not understand why Windblade and the others just shrug and go along for the ride.


I get what you mean with Optimus. I'm not annoyed but I don't understand what is going on with hm. He took his name back but nothing else. He's not really leader of anything or anyone. He's telling Autobots what to do but not really ordering them and yes the Camians are worshipping him but he really just feels out of place. I k ow that's what the story is doing with him but it doesn't feel fluid and natural. I'm sure with the return of Sentinel and the Titans Return story will give us a better focus than he's had in the past year.


As Burn told me in conversation:

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings ... provided of course you let me take control of your planet to protect you from the "bad" guys"


That is several levels of Prowl. With the added insult that he probably actually believes he's doing a good thing.

(Hmmmm.. parallels with Western foreign policies towards countries about to be/being run by 'extremists' perhaps..? :-? )


Well there is that gestalt side effect that Prowl is inside Optimus. Looks like that will be getting played in 51. Not a concept I like personally but we'll see how it goes.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:05 am

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Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:46 am

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Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.
It's not a negative if it ends up being a good story, though after Combiner Wars it's tough to have faith in that. Anyhow, I do agree that this book seems to be stuck as "the toy pack-in book" now and that's going to drive it places it may not have been intended to. This one really felt that way, the book was firing on all cylinders for the past six months and then this one was like "well let's just wrap all this up and have these random events happen. Ok now we're set for whatever comes next." It wasn't a satisfying climax to the previous events and to think this book is still operating on the 2011 premise of "the war is over" is one hell of a reach at this point.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:15 am

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I just countinue to hope MTMTE is left alone. I've relegated future issues of This title to my, wait for comicsology half off price drop list. I just don't enjoy the book anymore, and that's completely due to the CW arc.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:24 am

Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.


It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:26 am

Randomhero wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.


Ironhidensh wrote:I just countinue to hope MTMTE is left alone. I've relegated future issues of This title to my, wait for comicsology half off price drop list. I just don't enjoy the book anymore, and that's completely due to the CW arc.



It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:34 am

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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:39 am

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Randomhero wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.


It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.
I think regardless of how you feel about other parts of the book and its characters, the sentiment of readers wanting MTMTE to be left alone stems from Dark Cybertron. MTMTE 23-27 are more of a de-rail than anything else that's happened in MTMTE. These guys getting derailed is the point though - it's a "quest" story, do you want the quest to just end? Good stories are about the journey first and foremost, and most are enjoying the journey being taken there.

On top of Dark Cybertron, there's the other proof in the pudding with Combiner Wars having a decent build-up and follow-up, but the climactic moments were a bit dull. Then there's TF #49 here, which is presumably a build up to things to be used in Titans Return's arc(s), which is the climactic moment of many months of good build-up and manages once again to be kind of dull.

I actually think the "Chaos" event had the best climax of any arc so far, despite having an only so-so rising action sequence (though it's a bit more impactful now that we know the full consequences of what Cyclonus did at Kimia - it all looked like paltry filler material back then!)
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby 1984forever » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:51 am

Randomhero wrote:
1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.


Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.
well, it says on Pat Lee's wiki page that he values strength and honor, so I'm quite sure Hasbro will forgive the half a mil in back payments and put the license back in his hands after IDW singlehandedly ruins the entire franchise forever.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:16 am

1984forever wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.


Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.
well, it says on Pat Lee's wiki page that he values strength and honor, so I'm quite sure Hasbro will forgive the half a mil in back payments and put the license back in his hands after IDW singlehandedly ruins the entire franchise forever.


ruins? Their relationship with Hasbro is extremely strong and well.


Pat Lee stole money from his own company and started transferring assets to another company while telling artists and writers that weren't getting paid everything is fine.

He also got kicked out his the second company he tried to make by his own brother for doing the same practices. In an interview from a few years ago the interviewer asked him about all this and he refused to comment or tried multiple times to change the subject.

Pat Lee doesn't even do comics anymore.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:24 am

ScottyP wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Things do feel rushed, and I think its that way because we are seeing Hasbro's influence. They stated awhile back that Titans Return would involve all aspects of Transformers and related media. I think IDW was basically told to finish your shut up, 'cause you are doing a TR story now.

I'll be the first to admit my extreme negative feelings for Hasbro could be jading my perspective, but it's not like they hadn't done it in the past.


It's not like that at all. They're not forced to participate in anything. They choose to. John and James have said that they meet with Hasbro and are given the the opportunity to do events with Hasbro.

And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.
I think regardless of how you feel about other parts of the book and its characters, the sentiment of readers wanting MTMTE to be left alone stems from Dark Cybertron. MTMTE 23-27 are more of a de-rail than anything else that's happened in MTMTE. These guys getting derailed is the point though - it's a "quest" story, do you want the quest to just end? Good stories are about the journey first and foremost, and most are enjoying the journey being taken there.

On top of Dark Cybertron, there's the other proof in the pudding with Combiner Wars having a decent build-up and follow-up, but the climactic moments were a bit dull. Then there's TF #49 here, which is presumably a build up to things to be used in Titans Return's arc(s), which is the climactic moment of many months of good build-up and manages once again to be kind of dull.

I actually think the "Chaos" event had the best climax of any arc so far, despite having an only so-so rising action sequence (though it's a bit more impactful now that we know the full consequences of what Cyclonus did at Kimia - it all looked like paltry filler material back then!)


Exactly it is a quest story and if you personally have no problem with the quest being put on hold to tell other stories than why would you be upset over MTMTE joining in on a crossover book with John Barbers book?
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby RevTibe » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:36 am

Randomhero wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I just countinue to hope MTMTE is left alone. I've relegated future issues of This title to my, wait for comicsology half off price drop list. I just don't enjoy the book anymore, and that's completely due to the CW arc.


And let's be honest, saying you don't like MTMTE being involved is really ridiculous. It stops from having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings for a few issues and gives them direction for a bit.

If I had to choose between being involved in an event or having to read another "swearth" story or charisma aliens. Yeah I'm gonna go with the event tie in.
Personally, I find the difference in storytelling and tone to be one of MTME's greatest strengths! I've got the Series Once Known As Robots In Disguise for standard action-y Transformers fighting storylines, and MTME for "having a bunch of sad gay robots standing around talking about their feelings", as you put it. It allows me to engage with one universe to meet multiple different storytelling wants. When you tie everyone into a single event, you lose that quality.

Charisma aliens were one of my favorite stories - felt like a lovely mixture of Star Trek original series and Star Trek Next Generation, except with Transformers! Hell yeah! (Lukewarm on holomatter avatars, though, Transformers is a very "visual" universe to me, and mostly removing Transformers from the art screws that up.)

Thanks for the info on the events largely being opt-in, good to know.
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Randomhero wrote:
1984forever wrote:Horrible. Sideswipe dead and for what? To focus on a badly written chatty Soundwave and some corny fembots? I'm just going to wait for Dreamwave to get the Transformers license which is rightfully theirs, back.


Not everyone dies in great ways. It's called being realistic and for god sake he's not confirmed. rungs head was reduced to a brain module and same for Wheeljack and they're both fine.

Yeah keep waiting for dreameave because they still exist. Oh wait, they don't. It's been owned by a dude who bought the name in a bankruptcy auction and the guy hasn't don't anything with it for 11 years. It doesn't help Dreameave owed hasbro 500,000 in back fees and and payments. But please keep waiting for a company that doesn't exist and held the license for a merely 2 1/2 years over the company that's had it for 11 and was announced that's it's extended its license of it.
well, it says on Pat Lee's wiki page that he values strength and honor, so I'm quite sure Hasbro will forgive the half a mil in back payments and put the license back in his hands after IDW singlehandedly ruins the entire franchise forever.
...Until now, I wasn't positive on 1984f trolling. The mysteries of the universe are disappearing one by one.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:41 am

Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this idiot is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:52 am

Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:21 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Exactly it is a quest story and if you personally have no problem with the quest being put on hold to tell other stories than why would you be upset over MTMTE joining in on a crossover book with John Barbers book?
In principal, no issues with the crossovers. In practice, I don't have faith that it'd be of higher quality than just letting MTMTE do its thing as it has been.

The way they handled both the Protectobots in Combiner Wars and Ratchet in Drift: Empire of Stone was great! That degree of crossover is, I think, a nice happy medium that maybe we can all agree on? ;)
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby 1984forever » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:35 pm

Randomhero wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

I have never trolled on this site, or any other. I am just giving my opinion and getting called names for it as usual.

IDW would be better off just contracting the work out to Pat Lee. This way Transformers #49 could be fixed by completely rebooting the title with a totally new storyline and different characters. The covers and solicits of this book and the rest of AHO would be kept to keep hardcore IDW fans happy while the insides of the book are changed. Unfortunately this would mean that #50 would have to be pushed back a bit.
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Bounti76 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:42 pm

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1984forever wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

I have never trolled on this site, or any other. I am just giving my opinion and getting called names for it as usual.


IDW would be better off just contracting the work out to Pat Lee. This way Transformers #49 could be fixed by completely rebooting the title with a totally new storyline and different characters. The covers and solicits of this book and the rest of AHO would be kept to keep hardcore IDW fans happy while the insides of the book are changed. Unfortunately this would mean that #50 would have to be pushed back a bit.


I've just figured it out. 1984forever isn't a troll..... he's Pat Lee!!
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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:02 pm

1984forever wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Yeah...I really didn't want to respond to anything this dude is saying because I'm like "is he trolling or is he serious this ignorant?" And if you are trolling. Cool bro, I remember when I was 12.

I have never trolled on this site, or any other. I am just giving my opinion and getting called names for it as usual.

IDW would be better off just contracting the work out to Pat Lee. This way Transformers #49 could be fixed by completely rebooting the title with a totally new storyline and different characters. The covers and solicits of this book and the rest of AHO would be kept to keep hardcore IDW fans happy while the insides of the book are changed. Unfortunately this would mean that #50 would have to be pushed back a bit.


Even if you're not trolling get some facts. Pat Lee never wrote Transformers, he "drew" them. And by Drawing them I mean he was credited for drawing them only for former staff members coming forward later on and saying he didn't draw a lot of stuff. Even after dreamwaves collapse, he was having Alex Milne draw comics he was commissioned to do and Alex was never given credit for them and he wasn't getting paid by pat to do them. Once it was discovered he wasn't drawing the books and Alex was he stopped speaking to Alex and owed him a good chunk of money for it. Pat was kicked out of his second company by his own brother for his terrible business practices. There's a reason why he's not involved with comics anymore, because he's a terrible person and thief.

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Re: IDW The Transformers #49 Discussion Thread

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