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[AllNewSuperRobot]

No, Sunbow is Dead. G1 is equally gone and if not for the GeeWun "fans" we should have moved beyond it's shadow decades ago.

The nostalgia of G1 always holds back plot progression in virtually everything Transformers that came after. Plot progression in all comics is something I am a strong advocate of. Characters should change, die and not return etc etc

However, Cyclonus current design.. isn't great. His original design is iconic. My point was that yet again, Much like Ultra Magnus, IDW Cyclonus started off as something different and interesting and.. went to the wrong book. G1 has next to no sway over me at all. Beast Wars is king.

Personally I thought Megatron and Galvatron work as separate characters. Although Megatron should have been killed off at an earlier stage. Maybe at the conclusion to CHAOS? When you shed him and Prime, usually the series starts to progress forward.

[X3ROhour]

OK
i have got some sort of braincloud

someone tell me,
why dud Rodimass paint himself?

i cannot recall and cannot find the why.

anyone?

[ZeroWolf]

If I recall correctly it was after the comic was rebranded and it was rodimus way of remembering the dead

[X3ROhour]

If I recall correctly it was after the comic was rebranded and it was rodimus way of remembering the dead

WHAAA!?

[Quint]

If I recall correctly it was after the comic was rebranded and it was rodimus way of remembering the dead

WHAAA!?

Drift convinced him to convert to Spectralism and, in doing so, chose a new paint job which represented both mourning and an intent to kill. And also to increase sales of Black Rodimus toys or summat, I dunno.

[ZeroWolf]

Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

[X3ROhour]

ok

[ScottyP]

Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

I'd think they ran out of ideas. SG was a fun one-off for a Botcon set and can be a way to make neato toy repaints, but it should remain as just that

[ZeroWolf]

Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

I'd think they ran out of ideas. SG was a fun one-off for a Botcon set and can be a way to make neato toy repaints, but it should remain as just that

Hah you're probably right, and thinking about it, we still have the functionist universe where a good megs is, will be interesting to see what they can do with that.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I think that has often been the case with alternate universe stories: Less is more. My two favourite G1 stories: Peace and Rhythms of Darkness!, clearly illustrate that point. Sometimes to elaborate on the story is to cheapen it.

[Galactic Prime]

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

[Galactic Prime]

No, Sunbow is Dead. G1 is equally gone and if not for the GeeWun "fans" we should have moved beyond it's shadow decades ago.

The nostalgia of G1 always holds back plot progression in virtually everything Transformers that came after. Plot progression in all comics is something I am a strong advocate of. Characters should change, die and not return etc etc

However, Cyclonus current design.. isn't great. His original design is iconic. My point was that yet again, Much like Ultra Magnus, IDW Cyclonus started off as something different and interesting and.. went to the wrong book. G1 has next to no sway over me at all. Beast Wars is king.

Personally I thought Megatron and Galvatron work as separate characters. Although Megatron should have been killed off at an earlier stage. Maybe at the conclusion to CHAOS? When you shed him and Prime, usually the series starts to progress forward.

This line of thinking is what ruins Transformers.

[Galactic Prime]

Would be nice to see evil rodimus make it to the comics but I do wonder what people would think if shattered glass made it to IDW...

I'd think they ran out of ideas. SG was a fun one-off for a Botcon set and can be a way to make neato toy repaints, but it should remain as just that

I disagree 100%, the Shattered Glass idea was the BEST idea Botcon ever had, I think it would be awesome to see Hasbro do a full on line of repaints as the Evil Autobots and Heroic Decepticons in a SG toyline.

[ZeroWolf]

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

[Galactic Prime]

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

That's what someone calls **** writing and no imagination and it's what we've gotten from IDW since they got the licence

[ScottyP]

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

There's a great deal of content explaining how Getaway got away with it. It's ok if you don't like it but this part of the story is thought out, solid, and if it does anything it builds characters. Lost Light 10-12 redeemed many of the Mutineers.

[ZeroWolf]

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

That's what someone calls **** writing and no imagination and it's what we've gotten from IDW since they got the licence

I'm confused which part of my post are you talking about when saying the writing is bad? and no imagination? that doesn't make any sense at all as to come up with new scenarios and new takes on characters you need heaps of imagination. You don't like the series, that's fine we all have our own preferences. However calling the writers bad for not fitting in with your likes is very selfish and childish. The tf writers are good at their craft, if they weren't they wouldn't be working. You still haven't said what you would of preferred by the by.

I'm still hoping that lost Light has something to do in the unicron saga, would be a waste otherwise.

[Galactic Prime]

Genuine question: when you say you'd hoped it get better, what kind of story were you expecting/wanting?

Something that genuinely didn't have Autobots killing each other or betraying each other. I would have preferred them doing anything but what they did.

I felt they quite literally destroyed the characters in the book by how they acted. The Autobots NEVER enjoyed fighting or killing, and NONE of them would certainly have supported Getaway in his mutiny. When you have heroic characters suddenly ok with allowing one guy holding a mutiny and then cutting down their comrades while they RAN is hardly a noble endeavour.

The book has culminated in a garbage fest and IDW shitting all over the characters. It's just sad, especially when the book Started out with more potential when they set off.

so you wanted squeaky clean autobots where all were motivated by altruism? I bet you hated marvels civil war event. Autobots fighting each other has been done before and it allows characters to develop, to change, even if that change is for the worst. Your comment to AllNewSuperRobot makes perfect sense now, you just want endless repeats of the g1 toon where nothing changes, it's all a fixed loop of the tired old story formulas repeating until even the most die hard fan gives up in boredom. Stories like lost Light take risks, sometimes you have to wait a while before they pay off (like star saber taking down defensor, I get the feeling that there was more going on then we saw)

Remember this franchise is about robots that change, things changing has been built in since the beginning.

That's what someone calls **** writing and no imagination and it's what we've gotten from IDW since they got the licence

I'm confused which part of my post are you talking about when saying the writing is bad? and no imagination? that doesn't make any sense at all as to come up with new scenarios and new takes on characters you need heaps of imagination. You don't like the series, that's fine we all have our own preferences. However calling the writers bad for not fitting in with your likes is very selfish and childish. The tf writers are good at their craft, if they weren't they wouldn't be working. You still haven't said what you would of preferred by the by.

I'm still hoping that lost Light has something to do in the unicron saga, would be a waste otherwise.

They aren't good at their job. Just because someone has a job does not mean they are always good at it, and these writers are terrible. Their entire story line has been boring, flat, and full of characters not acting anything like they actually are.

It's horrendous from start to finish. You are all free to like it, it doesn't mean that it is not crap. It just means you like crap.

[ZeroWolf]

Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all. Also did I miss the memo where the characters were supposed to act as certain way? Guess wheeljack in armada didn't get the memo or prowl in animated...or arcee in prime and grimlock in the new rid...funny that. Characters can share names without having to act like their tech specs said. Change is important to this franchise.

[Ironhidensh]

Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all.

Quoted for truth.

[Galactic Prime]

Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all. Also did I miss the memo where the characters were supposed to act as certain way? Guess wheeljack in armada didn't get the memo or prowl in animated...or arcee in prime and grimlock in the new rid...funny that. Characters can share names without having to act like their tech specs said. Change is important to this franchise.

Like I said, it's fine if you like crap, you're entitled to, doesn't make it any less crappy.

[ZeroWolf]

Actually it's your opinion it's crap and our opinions don't match, that's all. Also did I miss the memo where the characters were supposed to act as certain way? Guess wheeljack in armada didn't get the memo or prowl in animated...or arcee in prime and grimlock in the new rid...funny that. Characters can share names without having to act like their tech specs said. Change is important to this franchise.

Like I said, it's fine if you like, what is in my opinion, crap. You're entitled to, doesn't make it any less crappy in my opinion.

Fixed it for you to help illustrate what one of my problems have been. Opinions aren't facts. Opinions can be informed by facts but that's it. As the age old saying goes, one man's rubbish is another man's treasure. It's highly likely that there's something you like that I'll find, in my opinion, rubbish.

[Ironhidensh]

Opinions aren't facts.

Quoted for truth. Again. I'm buying you a virtual beer.

[Galactic Prime]

Opinions are facts when it's garbage.

There fixed it for you, since you seem to be thick

[ZeroWolf]

You seem a tad upset, have I offended you by simply stating the truth that it's only garbage in your opinion? I mean what's the harm in that? I'm not belittling you, our opinions hold the same value as each other, neither are facts. Our differences are that you hate IDW for "reasons" while I like them for the fiction it gave us and how different it is from all that came before.

Now, one more time, opinions are not facts. You have stated your opinion as I have mine. That's all, neither of our opinions are facts (unless you can get every single person who read the comics to agree and swear to never change their opinion) so the comic is just that, we read it and form our own opinions.