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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Blozor » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:13 am

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I swear to Primus if they made Megatron a Decepticon again just to sell toys and rendered his entire Season Two story arc obsolete and pointless I may be done with this comic.

Ravage's death actually made a 40-year-old man cry over a book about cartoon robots, and what it meant for Megatron was a huge part of that. They better not let Hasbro shard all over it.

There's three incentive covers with him wearing the purple symbol and none in red. Hashtag angry.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Black Bumblebee » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:14 am

This was only 500 years ago. Colony worlds with female Transformers were established millions of years ago.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:28 am

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Blozor wrote:I swear to Primus if they made Megatron a Decepticon again just to sell toys and rendered his entire Season Two story arc obsolete and pointless I may be done with this comic.

Ravage's death actually made a 40-year-old man cry over a book about cartoon robots, and what it meant for Megatron was a huge part of that. They better not let Hasbro shard all over it.

There's three incentive covers with him wearing the purple symbol and none in red. Hashtag angry.

Don't worry, they won't.
This is supposed to be (emphasis on supposed to be) a jumping-on point for new readers. So I guess it makes sense to put a Decepticon Megatron on the cover as he's more recognisable that way.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:57 am

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Black Bumblebee wrote:This was only 500 years ago. Colony worlds with female Transformers were established millions of years ago.

But the colonies have been out of contact for millions of years, and it has been established that Cybertron had not developed females aside from Arcee (who was...yeah).

The simplest solution is that Anode is male gendered and just has a lithe body. The body style isn't that far removed from, say, Starscream's depiction in TAAO.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:58 am

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Kurona wrote:
Blozor wrote:I swear to Primus if they made Megatron a Decepticon again just to sell toys and rendered his entire Season Two story arc obsolete and pointless I may be done with this comic.

Ravage's death actually made a 40-year-old man cry over a book about cartoon robots, and what it meant for Megatron was a huge part of that. They better not let Hasbro shard all over it.

There's three incentive covers with him wearing the purple symbol and none in red. Hashtag angry.

Don't worry, they won't.
This is supposed to be (emphasis on supposed to be) a jumping-on point for new readers. So I guess it makes sense to put a Decepticon Megatron on the cover as he's more recognisable that way.

First rule of comics: Never trust the cover.

Especially variant covers.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:34 am

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MrBlack wrote:
Black Bumblebee wrote:This was only 500 years ago. Colony worlds with female Transformers were established millions of years ago.

But the colonies have been out of contact for millions of years, and it has been established that Cybertron had not developed females aside from Arcee (who was...yeah).

The simplest solution is that Anode is male gendered and just has a lithe body. The body style isn't that far removed from, say, Starscream's depiction in TAAO.

Come now, surely you should know this series enough to know it's solutions aren't simple ;)
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Blozor » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:12 am

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MrBlack wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Blozor wrote:I swear to Primus if they made Megatron a Decepticon again just to sell toys and rendered his entire Season Two story arc obsolete and pointless I may be done with this comic.

Ravage's death actually made a 40-year-old man cry over a book about cartoon robots, and what it meant for Megatron was a huge part of that. They better not let Hasbro shard all over it.

There's three incentive covers with him wearing the purple symbol and none in red. Hashtag angry.

Don't worry, they won't.
This is supposed to be (emphasis on supposed to be) a jumping-on point for new readers. So I guess it makes sense to put a Decepticon Megatron on the cover as he's more recognisable that way.

First rule of comics: Never trust the cover.

Especially variant covers.


I know. I'm just saying. It looks like a lot of Triple Changer Megatron showing up, and although it might just be a way to work the toy into the comics without disrupting the continuity, it could also be another shoehorned product placement from Hasbro in the series.

On the other hand, Titans Return turned out to be a whole lot of nothing-to-do-with-the-main-storyline, so it's probably just an overreaction. I just wanted to stress my feelings on the matter to the no one who cares. :D
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:04 pm

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Well, I'm thinking Anode is actually a colonist who found Cybertron, maybe a Divusian or even a camien. Camien would explain things more, though Lug being there is a little closer to Divusian maybe
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:14 pm

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And do remember Thunderclash picked up Windblade, Nautica, Velocity and a whole host of other camiens before Cybertron as a whole new about the colony worlds. This situation isn't quite without precedent.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

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Kurona wrote:And do remember Thunderclash picked up Windblade, Nautica, Velocity and a whole host of other camiens before Cybertron as a whole new about the colony worlds. This situation isn't quite without precedent.


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IDW Transformers: Lost Light #1 Review

Postby Kurona » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:30 am

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Somewhat-spoilery review for Lost Light #1. A little spoilery. Spoiler-ish.



Synopsis


Five years ago, Rodimus and a collection of traumatised, lovelorn and/or sarcastic Autobots set off on a quest to find Cyberutopia. So far, they've made a right hash of it. They've misplaced their map. They've lost their ship, the Lost Light, to a mutinous escapologist. Oh, and they're dead.

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Story


Well guys, it's been a painful few months with only Fort Max's Titans Return cross-sell and the Scavengers' little mini-issue to tide us over, but finally we're back! Rodimus, Megatron, Ultra Magnus, Ratchet, Drift, Nautica, some dead bodies, a legislator and a whole slew of new and returning characters! The main story! A bunch of lonely losers gallivanting around the galaxy who barely ever transform or fight but we still love for some reason!

Yes, we're finally back to the main focus after that nail-biting cliffhanger at the end of #55 from... Primus above, July. It has been a long time. As more and more details about its continuation came out with each one decidedly confusing us - why the re-branding? They're dead? Why did Rodimus get replaced with his Shattered Glass toy? Who's this new 'Anode' character, why are they partnered with Hosehead's Headmaster and what gender are they? - we finally get all the answers.
Well, most of them.
We know Anode's a girl, at least.

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Talking of Anode, she takes up quite a bit of the issue; stepping into the newcomer-for-the-benefit-of-the-reader's-experience role. She's fun, obviously has a lot to her than she's letting on, and is delightfully quirky with a number of one-liners to drop here and there. Her partner, Lug - who, as noted, some might remember as being Hosehead's headmaster in the original G1 toyline and Marvel comics but bears no such role here - plays the straight man were they a comedy duo, but don't fret, they're not simply comic relief. That's as much as I'll say about them though; you'll have to read the issue for the rest. I'm such a tease. But make no mistake, after just a single issue, I'm in love with them.

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That's quite a lot about Anode and her not-Headmaster companion, but there's no need to worry - the old Lost Light crew most certainly wrestle the spotlight from them soon enough.
And in a series built around them, it shouldn't surprise you to know that there's a lot of great character moments this issue. The whole gang gets their time to shine with laughs and berating and mourning their companions, but the ones who stands out in particular are Megatron and new addition Terminus; their long-standing intrigue taking center stage. In simply a few panels you really get the feeling this is going to be one of the most interesting dynamics of the book, but all the fuss over the newcomers does not come without an important homage to those lost.

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The whole gauntlet of emotional expression is represented excellently partly through aid of a beautiful, elegant flow - one never feels as if one scene stops too soon or goes on longer than it should; nor does one feel the transitions are too jarring. The pacing is just as on-point as it's always been.

This issue is largely a breather and recollection of what happened before we get going again. A pit stop, if you will - but with some new faces among your usual crew of mechanics. As expected, this is very character-driven - not a whole lot moves forward in terms of plot, aside from some very spoilery stuff at the end. And I'll remind you this isn't a very spoilery review, just spoiler-ish.


Art


If you've been following Lost Light news for the past few months, you might have heard tell of the new art duties - Alex Milne is still aboard, but his duties in the art department are now shared with newcomer Jack Lawrence. And it's this issue he makes his debut; both with the comic itself and with the main cover. How does he do?

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Well, a better job than Drift. In all seriousness, he's a perfect fit. He manages to bring his own unique flare and style to the issue, yet at the same time it still has that... special feel MTMTE did. That sort of balance between simplicity and complexity that allows for fantastic variety and emotional expression; that balance that allows us to believe these are still giant space robots who turn into cars yet are fluid and human in their motions and activity. There's also one scene in particular that's... rather breathtaking, but it's also very spoilery. And since this is once again, just a spoiler-ish review, I'll simply say the page after Drift & Anode ;)


Final Thoughts


If there's one particularly good way to sum this issue up... it's by calling it MTMTE #58. Or #59 if you count the Scavengers' little Revolution adventure. It's the perfect continuation of MTMTE and has everything you could want in there with nothing feeling off or awkward or like someone's lost their touch; with only a new art direction perhaps being a tad distracting (though in a delightfully good way; Lawrence expertly captures the simplicity yet complexity of both design and character)... but that wonderful positive is also the issue's biggest negative - and it's something pretty important that needs to be addressed.

It's not called MTMTE #58/#59. It's called Lost Light #1.

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This is seemingly through no fault of any of the creative team; as best as I can tell it's a re-branding mandate from someone up high. But no matter the reasons why, the fact is this is an Issue #1 and hence has a responsibility to be a decent jumping-on point for new readers. And were I a new reader? I would be extremely confused. Putting a lot of the issue behind a newcomer's eyes (Anode) helps a lot, but you still feel really lost. Magnus' short explanation of the prior events is hardly enough.

And clearly the Lost Light team felt the same way because there's a massive 5-page summary of the entire MTMTE series after the main comic story. Yeah, this isn't something I mentioned in the review, but it's there and it's huge and it REALLY gives off a vibe of "we didn't want to be an issue #1 but this is here if this is your first issue". For a returning reader this is a good refresher of what happened and helps you catch up in case you forgot anything - though with one notable error; the main villain of Dark Cybertron was apparently D-void, who knew? - but for a new reader I get the feeling it'd be an overwhelming turn-off.

However... this is my only big criticism of the book. It's still the comic, story and characters we know and love (with a few new wonderful additions). It's still arguably the best Transformers comic to have ever been. It's still MTMTE. But because of that last bit, it's not something new readers should start with.

Basically? If you want to continue MTMTE, read this comic; it's wonderful and still the same comic you know and love. If you're a new reader? ... start with MTMTE #1. Then MTMTE #2. Then the rest of the series. If you start here, it's going to be just a little confusing and overwhelming.

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.:BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: 1/2 out of :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT: :BOT:


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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Big Grim » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:02 am

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Lug's face there as he pinches the bridge of his nose is perfect!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:13 am

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Big Grim wrote:Lug's face there as he pinches the bridge of his nose is perfect!

Lug is a wonderful character. I didn't talk about him much because there's a lot more focus on Anode with Lug basically being her sidekick, but he's great for her to play off of. I can't believe IDW made me love Hosehead's headmaster.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:37 am

Wasn't a bad issue at all the only thing I'd say I felt disappointed with was the reveal of what happened in remain in Light. That was a hell of an ending and the reveal of what the Geo Bomb did felt like it took away that climactic ending.

that being said I wasn't expecting anyone to die in the slightest but what happened made say "oh well alright then.

wasnt expecting them to wind up in the functioning universe. Can't say I'm looking forward it them returning but it may finally reveal what Rung is or give us some huge clues. Fells that reveal should be with Prime Rung however.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby RNSrobot » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:16 am

Anode sucks.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:46 am

I love the subtle jab at the fandom with what anode found on Alina 2
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Big Grim » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:40 am

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Randomhero wrote:I love the subtle jab at the fandom with what anode found on Alina 2

You mean the special snowflake?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:08 am

Big Grim wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I love the subtle jab at the fandom with what anode found on Alina 2

You mean the special snowflake?



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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:35 pm

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I'm not going to lie: I felt slightly underwhelmed by the read. I really did, which is sad to me.

I find it hard to describe how to say it underwhelmed me though. It just felt... boring. It may have been the underwhelming ending to the Geobomb threat at this moment, or the art didn't feel like previous works and didn't feel... good to me, or that the functionist universe is now back in play.

I did like Drift's vision, along with Rung's part with Skids, but the whole felt lesser somehow.

I think Lawrence does a good job with art, but it didn't feel appropriate so to speak for most of the book. I didn't like it for the story it is set. It may be I'm adjusting to a new artist, but I didn't like it that much.

The geobomb was another big letdown. Literally the big climax ending of MTMTE was the bomb, yet it fizzles out with only a shudder. That.. kinda made me upset.

I also didn't expect the functionist universe again, but I don't like it. I can't explain why, but it feels wrong them ending up there. It's just... off.

I'm sorry to those who love it and how this is #1 and is selling good apparently, but it didn't feel up to par to me. Personally, :SG-CONS: :SG-CONS: 1/2 out of :SG-CONS: :SG-CONS: :SG-CONS: :SG-CONS: :SG-CONS:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:56 pm

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I find it interesting that most of the crew is sporting a grey Autobrand to honor Skids except for Tailgate, Brainstorm, and Megatron. I can see Brainstorm and Megatron not doing it because it smacks of sentiment and spirituality, but Tailgate?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:02 pm

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MrBlack wrote:I find it interesting that most of the crew is sporting a grey Autobrand to honor Skids except for Tailgate, Brainstorm, and Megatron. I can see Brainstorm and Megatron not doing it because it smacks of sentiment and spirituality, but Tailgate?

Oddly enough, Tailgate's sporting a consistently black Autobot symbol like most others during the beginning of the issue,

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But after his rest it's consistently red. Maybe it's a side effect of him resting but I'm more tempted to say error.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:51 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Wasn't a bad issue at all the only thing I'd say I felt disappointed with was the reveal of what happened in remain in Light. That was a hell of an ending and the reveal of what the Geo Bomb did felt like it took away that climactic ending.
I still think that it wasn't a Geobomb, and that it was something else. The kind of something else that caused their transport into the Functionist Universe. The coordinates for Cybertron were right, they just won't ever get to the one they were expecting because they've been 'sploded through the fabric of spacetime.

On an unrelated note, that splash page with Pharma facing down Grimlock, Rodimus, and Drift, coupled with the "Prepare, Confront, Repel" message scratched into something. Holy crap. I can't wait for more.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:31 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Wasn't a bad issue at all the only thing I'd say I felt disappointed with was the reveal of what happened in remain in Light. That was a hell of an ending and the reveal of what the Geo Bomb did felt like it took away that climactic ending.
I still think that it wasn't a Geobomb, and that it was something else. The kind of something else that caused their transport into the Functionist Universe. The coordinates for Cybertron were right, they just won't ever get to the one they were expecting because they've been 'sploded through the fabric of spacetime.

On an unrelated note, that splash page with Pharma facing down Grimlock, Rodimus, and Drift, coupled with the "Prepare, Confront, Repel" message scratched into something. Holy crap. I can't wait for more.



Except that we saw the Geo bomb in the final issue of Remain in light and Nightbeat also recognized it. I was more or less expecting it to go off, Branstorm does what he does and transports nighbeat and Rung back and the Necroworld would end up looking not unlike Junkion. It's now just a chunk of the planet.

Or that the Geobmb went off and the nercoworld is hollow and so big that its explosion wouldn't have caused much damage to begin with. While it's never been stated, Crybertron from the past version(except the cartoon) is the size of Saturn so this world being a mold would make it huge. With the geo bomb going off inside with nothing to grab on to, it wouldn't cause much damage. Be like an underwater explosion of a missed going off in the sky.

If what we saw wasn't the geobomb which 100% believe it's was, than that mean atheist Council is still up in orbit and will launch it. Wouldn't matter if everyone left the planet but half main cast is still on that planet.

It is an experimental technology so maybe it did fizzle which IMO Is "meh" to a good cliffhanger.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Bounti76 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:33 pm

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I suspect I'm not the only one, but I found Anode completely and thoroughly annoying. Almost every line she spoke was a "witty" quip of some sort that only served to make me hate her more with every panel she appeared in. I was glad when Swerve told her off and she seemed to feel some tiny bit of remorse. It was the only thing in the issue she did that gave her any sort of depth.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Lost Light Ongoing Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:33 pm

Kurona wrote:
MrBlack wrote:I find it interesting that most of the crew is sporting a grey Autobrand to honor Skids except for Tailgate, Brainstorm, and Megatron. I can see Brainstorm and Megatron not doing it because it smacks of sentiment and spirituality, but Tailgate?

Oddly enough, Tailgate's sporting a consistently black Autobot symbol like most others during the beginning of the issue,

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But after his rest it's consistently red. Maybe it's a side effect of him resting but I'm more tempted to say error.



Or tailgate is just a 4 year old ignorant kid more into his own super power hype than mourning. He has become extremely vain after all.
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