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[Flashwave]

Aww dude. Thats a sucky way to go out. "So what's gonna happen to the LL crew?"

"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."

I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.

Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Aww dude. Thats a sucky way to go out. "So what's gonna happen to the LL crew?"

"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."

I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.

Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?

There isn't. First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide escaped in Star Saber's ship in issue 12 while Rook was killed in his sleep by Atomizer, Ambulon was used as a leg to replace him but is dead, and the rest of the protectobots were shot apart by the security crew after Star Saber beat Defensor into pieces like Defensor was a giant wuss. So First Aid is the only member of Defensor still alive (or at least not comatose and full of holes).

And not like it matters anyway, the entire crew has had their mind wiped and re-written so many times by a sociopath being paid with brains and spines to chew on from other crew members, so it's not like any part of the ship's crew was actually redeemable.

In case you can't tell, Issue 12 is still very much a sour point for me, as is the handling of the protectobots and the mutineers as a whole.

[Flashwave]

Aww dude. Thats a sucky way to go out. "So what's gonna happen to the LL crew?"

"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."

I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.

Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?

There isn't. First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide escaped in Star Saber's ship in issue 12 while Rook was killed in his sleep by Atomizer, Ambulon was used as a leg to replace him but is dead, and the rest of the protectobots were shot apart by the security crew after Star Saber beat Defensor into pieces like Defensor was a giant wuss. So First Aid is the only member of Defensor still alive (or at least not comatose and full of holes).

And not like it matters anyway, the entire crew has had their mind wiped and re-written so many times by a sociopath being paid with brains and spines to chew on from other crew members, so it's not like any part of the ship's crew was actually redeemable.

In case you can't tell, Issue 12 is still very much a sour point for me, as is the handling of the protectobots and the mutineers as a whole.

yeah, that arc was so prety so so. Ambulon makes things difficult, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Comatose couldve been turned.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

yeah, that arc was so prety so so. Ambulon makes things difficult, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Comatose couldve been turned.

Even if the comatose could be turned, that leaves a Defensor with no legs, seeing as how First Aid managed to escape, even if the turned could combine with Ambulon again.

And Mirage is dead too, and Roberts established that either Getaway didn't know he was a combiner limb, or IDW isn't scramble city where a limb from another combiner can just jump to a different combiner

[Big Grim]

Gotta admit, seeing the crew turned like that bummed me out. Some really good characters there just...dead. Can't help but think they and the likes of Defensor deserved a lot better. But then, we've seen Cybertronians die before. Usually in G1 comics in the UK by Furman. But still...

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, given some theories about how unicron will play out, they will all die then...in a universe destroying event and a lot of characters will be killed graphically.

[Big Grim]

For sure. I've just been invested in this for a long, long time. But yeah, a LOT of bots were killed during Time Wars and also during Unicron's attack in the G1 comics, so it's nothin' new.

[ZeroWolf]

Hah, don't forget the underbase saga

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Hah, don't forget the underbase saga

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that

[ZeroWolf]

Only reason I thought of it was to say that this series does tie into unicron, though I feel that whatever happens, Roberts will get flack for it.

[Ironhidensh]

Hah, don't forget the underbase saga

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that

Springer

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Hah, don't forget the underbase saga

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that

Springer

I thought that too, but Springer wouldn't be trying to do all this crap as far as I would believe.

Although, I have thought about this: what if Springer going back in time is what ends this universe? He succeeds, and slowly time starts to change, and when it looks like Unicron is about to win, everything finally finishes changing in a flash, and Cybertron is peaceful, the war never happened, Unicron never came, and the LL quest never needed to happen, thus saving everyone and stopping the Grand Architect

[Ironhidensh]

Hah, don't forget the underbase saga

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that

Springer

I thought that too, but Springer wouldn't be trying to do all this crap as far as I would believe.

Although, I have thought about this: what if Springer going back in time is what ends this universe? He succeeds, and slowly time starts to change, and when it looks like Unicron is about to win, everything finally finishes changing in a flash, and Cybertron is peaceful, the war never happened, Unicron never came, and the LL quest never needed to happen, thus saving everyone and stopping the Grand Architect

This is actually my seceret hope for a happy ending for the series. I think Springer time traveling was too significant an event to not have major and lasting consequence.

Requiem my have been the final Wrecker story, but I do not believe we have seen the last of the Sprung One.

[ZeroWolf]

I haven't read requiem yet but how far back did springer go? Did he go further back than shockwave? I too hope for a peaceful end, even to the point where they end it on a furmanism. Sadly I don't know how much of that we'll get.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

[ZeroWolf]

A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.

I'll take that as a no then

[AllNewSuperRobot]

There is a story in Marvel's much derided yet underappreciated series Heroes Reborn. Wherein the final crossover story of issue 12 and finale of the series (ignore #13) features Dr Doom traveling through time attempting to stop Galactus from destroying their world. Although his knowledge and understanding grows with every encounter, each time/issue he goes back attempting to fix things, something else happens instead.

This would be a fitting way to tie LL into The End of IDWverse. Transformers: Groundhog Day Edition. It's also obvious what kind of ending I am looking forward to. A "happy ending" completely defeats the point of it being a Unicron story, after all.

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, all other unicron stories have ended with his destruction/entrapment. As much as you want this one to break the mold, the odds aren't in your favour.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

To be fair, all other unicron stories have ended with his destruction/entrapment. As much as you want this one to break the mold, the odds aren't in your favour.

Yet so far this hasn't played out like a typical Unicron story either. None of that Primus/Unicron creation myth BS (hopefully that will continue). You know, like when IDWverse first started and it subverted all the old tropes? The finale could mark the return of IDWverse to it's roots in that respect.

[Flashwave]

To be fair, all other unicron stories have ended with his destruction/entrapment. As much as you want this one to break the mold, the odds aren't in your favour.

I dunno, it worked for Avengers, and sone of the dead have Contracts to come back. None of the players here have that going for them.

i would be down for everyone dieing and the last page of the IDW verse is Unicron sitting on a planet drinking a Mimosa and watchibg a Sun peak over another Planet like Thanos.

No, I know it wont happen. The Good guys have to win. But I can dream

[AllNewSuperRobot]

No, I know it wont happen. The Good guys have to win. But I can dream

To be fair, much like Infinity War, Unicron is the "good guy" here. Removing a perceived corruption from this universe.

I remember when IDWverse first started and it was quickly hammered home, that this Civil War wasn't as simplified and kid-friendly as "Good vs. Evil".
Nothing was as black & white as Decepticons=Evil and Autobots=Good. Because war isn't like that. There was no great gulf between the ideologies of the two factions. A label, a symbol was the only real difference between them. Of course it swiftly got dumbed down again with AHM, because nuance is clearly something not every writer can grasp. Some just want to write whatever they feel like and pull Transformer skins over it...

[ZeroWolf]

AHM was supposed to be a new continuity if memory serves (hence the design ideas that didn't make sense, why would starscream go for an older plane when the one he had was fine?) It was clearly supposed to be an alternate take on the cartoon but obviously decisions were changed.

As for avengers...you do know that it has a part 2 in the next avengers film? All that will be undone.

I still think they should go the cybertron route and have unicrons destruction causing the new continuity that overwrites the old one. Still I think we'll hear from IDW at SDCC, regarding plans but I can understand them waiting to reveal their full hand once the last issue of unicron hits

[AllNewSuperRobot]

But that would just be rehashing old stories and Transformers in general is really held back as a franchise by that kind of storytelling. People unable to let go and move forward.

Much like how Nebulos was annihilated early on in Stormbringer, have Cybertron suffer the fate of Lithone. Unicron then goes about his business and a warning "message in a bottle" type signal is sent via some timey-wimey Macguffin to the next reality.. The Reboot Universe.

[Flashwave]

AHM was supposed to be a new continuity if memory serves (hence the design ideas that didn't make sense, why would starscream go for an older plane when the one he had was fine?) It was clearly supposed to be an alternate take on the cartoon but obviously decisions were changed.

As for avengers...you do know that it has a part 2 in the next avengers film? All that will be undone.

I still think they should go the cybertron route and have unicrons destruction causing the new continuity that overwrites the old one. Still I think we'll hear from IDW at SDCC, regarding plans but I can understand them waiting to reveal their full hand once the last issue of unicron hits

Yes I know it does, thats why I emphasized that some of the Avengers had contracts for Movies, and dtill they died. There's nothing after this for *THESE* Cybertronians. If they die thats it, there is no Part 2.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Besides the fact it doesn't matter if they all die in this story. We all know it's being Rebooted. So their ultimate fate is superfluous at this stage.