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Just ... weird.

Why was Rodimus drawn as a fembot from the waist down?

(I'm sorry I can't help it, I have to do it)
Why are you looking that closely at Rodimus' lower regions? (They've been drawing him like that for awhile now... actually, many, many of them have been drawn less boxy over the years, but Rodimus has a big upper half, and he's a sports car.. not an armored van)

On topic....

It was a nicely touching issue. I'm ready some action though, been for a few issues, though I can't complain, it was some nice character building, and Nightbeat has always been a favorite of mine, so seeing him come to terms was very fulfilling.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Just ... weird.

Why was Rodimus drawn as a fembot from the waist down?

(I'm sorry I can't help it, I have to do it)
Why are you looking that closely at Rodimus' lower regions? (They've been drawing him like that for awhile now... actually, many, many of them have been drawn less boxy over the years, but Rodimus has a big upper half, and he's a sports car.. not an armored van)

On topic....

It was a nicely touching issue. I'm ready some action though, been for a few issues, though I can't complain, it was some nice character building, and Nightbeat has always been a favorite of mine, so seeing him come to terms was very fulfilling.

Lol Rodimus can have a big ass if he wants too. The question is, is he attractive to any girls? Cuz I've heard that girls like smaller butts.



But seriously now, I don't think it looks too bad. He just looks athletic to me. (in the comic itself, not on someone's drawing on Deviantart.)

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Is Galvatron the same as Megatron in the comics?

No they are very different characters. Galvatrons vastly predates Megs.

Wow am I behind on the comics. -_-
I am more into the G1 concept of them being one and the same.

I think they are better off as different characters here. I mean with the way things are now, we have Galvatron leading the decepticons and Megs an autobot! Never before!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Just ... weird.

Why was Rodimus drawn as a fembot from the waist down?

(I'm sorry I can't help it, I have to do it)
Why are you looking that closely at Rodimus' lower regions? (They've been drawing him like that for awhile now... actually, many, many of them have been drawn less boxy over the years, but Rodimus has a big upper half, and he's a sports car.. not an armored van)

On topic....

It was a nicely touching issue. I'm ready some action though, been for a few issues, though I can't complain, it was some nice character building, and Nightbeat has always been a favorite of mine, so seeing him come to terms was very fulfilling.

they have definitely taken on a more athletic look, and I dig that. it works so well, especially with the current artists. besides: Rather to be lithe and mobile than boxy and awkward here

[MaverickPrime]

Eodimus design in MTMTE has always been very slender, but I did notice him doing a very feminine stance in a full body shot, maybe that's why some think his body looked like a fembot's.

But on topic, I really, really enjoyed the issue it had a lot to tell in a very limited space and yet I feel it achieved it very nicely.

And oh my god, that ending! Won't spoil anything, it MUST be read and seen, kudos to Roberts and the artists, it's sublime
I don't care if I only have digital copies of the rest of the series(I hate distribution in Mexico), I NEED THIS ISSUE PHYSICALLY.

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[Beardy]

Just ... weird.

Why was Rodimus drawn as a fembot from the waist down?

I believe that MTMTE is aimed at the LGBT portion of the fandom and Hasbro knows this which is why MTMTE is never included as a pack in comic with the toys.

Since the MTMTE is not intended for me I will be dropping the book before #50. There won't be much to see after #50 since the book seems to be collapsing in on itself anyway.

Generations Skids was packed with MTMTE #22 so I don't think your theory is on point.
Some of the Dark Cybertron in pack comics were More than Meets the Eye issues too.

[ScottyP]

And oh my god, that ending! Won't spoil anything, it MUST be read and seen, kudos to Roberts and the artists, it's sublime
I don't care if I only have digital copies of the rest of the series(I hate distribution in Mexico), I NEED THIS ISSUE PHYSICALLY.

Yeah, I need a print of that ending yesterday. Like a big 'ol poster sized one.

[MrBlack]

This issue throws a wrench into the "Dominus Ambus is Tarn" theory. Something happened to Dominus which caused his spark to disappear from the Necrobots sensors. I can't imagine that simply building him a new body did that; otherwise, Megatron would have been presumed dead on multiple occasions. I suppose that the manifestation of Tarn's powers might interfere with the sensors, but it still seems a bit of a stretch.

I do like the idea that Tarn could be Terminus. It would explain his loyalty to both Megatron and the Decepticon cause, and I like the idea that Terminus, a lifelong low class miner, would take on the trapping of sophistication as Tarn. Honestly, I still think Roller fits better though.

I'm still thinking there might be something to my completely wacky "Dominus Ambus is Ten" theory. It may be significant symbolically that Minimus is playing with the Ten plushie while discussing his brother. The process of turning a bot into a Legislator may be why Dominus' spark reading disappeared; the process is so invasive as to change or negate whatever emanations the Necrobot's sensors detect. Of course, the timing is totally off, since Dominus disappeared near the beginning of the war, and Tyrest didn't lose his mind until after the Aequitas trials, which were relatively recently. Of course, we don't know exactly WHERE the Legislators came from. Perhaps they were developed independently of Tyrest, and he simply co-opted the technology after taking Luna 1. We do know that Dominus Ambus spent years looking for the missing satellite; perhaps he found it and triggered some long dormant technology which transformed him (and which Tyrest would later adopt as his own).

[Syn_13]

Pretty sure errors would be dock if it was by costa and Schmidt...just saying

One error I actually noticed is nightbeat saying the Necrobot Is the oldest he's met yet he's met Alpha Trion- a thirteen-, Galvatron and nova prime. Not to mention Omega Supreme and a Titan, both of which were considered the oldest cybertronians in existence. Metroplex is believed to know the guiding hand and the Knights to which he won't speak of because the current generation is unworthy.

That was one thing I wasn't quite sure of when I read it. However, when Censere said he was around before "the first war" I just assumed it was before the events that were shown in the previous ex-RiD issue(s) that contained Galvatron, Alpha Trion and Nova Prime. I'm guessing he predates Galvatron and Nova Prime. The likes of Alpha Trio, Omega Supreme, Metroplex and the other Titans predate them too and Censere is probably of this era, or of a time shortly after.

With regards to the issue - I really enjoyed it. ScottyP's review is pretty much spot on. I probably would've scored 4 rather than 5, only because there are a few other issues that have hit home more and left me thinking about them for weeks. The Megatron scene at the end, however, was stunning. It truly personified the talent of all those involved in the creation of this issue.

[MrBlack]

Pretty sure errors would be dock if it was by costa and Schmidt...just saying

One error I actually noticed is nightbeat saying the Necrobot Is the oldest he's met yet he's met Alpha Trion- a thirteen-, Galvatron and nova prime. Not to mention Omega Supreme and a Titan, both of which were considered the oldest cybertronians in existence. Metroplex is believed to know the guiding hand and the Knights to which he won't speak of because the current generation is unworthy.

That was one thing I wasn't quite sure of when I read it. However, when Censere said he was around before "the first war" I just assumed it was before the events that were shown in the previous ex-RiD issue(s) that contained Galvatron, Alpha Trion and Nova Prime. I'm guessing he predates Galvatron and Nova Prime. The likes of Alpha Trio, Omega Supreme, Metroplex and the other Titans predate them too and Censere is probably of this era, or of a time shortly after.

With regards to the issue - I really enjoyed it. ScottyP's review is pretty much spot on. I probably would've scored 4 rather than 5, only because there are a few other issues that have hit home more and left me thinking about them for weeks. The Megatron scene at the end, however, was stunning. It truly personified the talent of all those involved in the creation of this issue.

Do we know whether Nightbeat has actually met Omega Supreme or Metroplex? Both have been long absent from the Autobot forces, and only reappeared after Nightbeat's death. It's true that he likely lived inside Metroplex for a time after the Dark Cybertron arc, but I'm not sure that counts as "meeting" someone.

Alpha Trion's status as one of the 13 Primes was a secret to everyone, so Nightbeat would not have known exactly how old he was.

[ScottyP]

Do we know whether Nightbeat has actually met Omega Supreme or Metroplex? Both have been long absent from the Autobot forces, and only reappeared after Nightbeat's death. It's true that he likely lived inside Metroplex for a time after the Dark Cybertron arc, but I'm not sure that counts as "meeting" someone.

Very good question. I'm not sure if he expressly has, though maybe there's a scenario when they're drawn in the same scene (looking at you, Autocracy/Montrosity/Primacy series) for no good reason together. Goodness, when was the last time we even saw Omega? Chaos? And I'd agree that being in Metroplex doesn't count as meeting him for now given his state.

I do like the idea that Tarn could be Terminus. It would explain his loyalty to both Megatron and the Decepticon cause, and I like the idea that Terminus, a lifelong low class miner, would take on the trapping of sophistication as Tarn. Honestly, I still think Roller fits better though.

Yeah, I agree and think Roller = Tarn is a case of Occam's Razor and not a Red Herring. Never do know, of course, but that'd seem to be the case.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

And oh my god, that ending! Won't spoil anything, it MUST be read and seen, kudos to Roberts and the artists, it's sublime
I don't care if I only have digital copies of the rest of the series(I hate distribution in Mexico), I NEED THIS ISSUE PHYSICALLY.

Yeah, I need a print of that ending yesterday. Like a big 'ol poster sized one.

that scene is what really hit this issue home. all the way.

[MrBlack]

Do we know whether Nightbeat has actually met Omega Supreme or Metroplex? Both have been long absent from the Autobot forces, and only reappeared after Nightbeat's death. It's true that he likely lived inside Metroplex for a time after the Dark Cybertron arc, but I'm not sure that counts as "meeting" someone.

Very good question. I'm not sure if he expressly has, though maybe there's a scenario when they're drawn in the same scene (looking at you, Autocracy/Montrosity/Primacy series) for no good reason together. Goodness, when was the last time we even saw Omega? Chaos? And I'd agree that being in Metroplex doesn't count as meeting him for now given his state.

I do like the idea that Tarn could be Terminus. It would explain his loyalty to both Megatron and the Decepticon cause, and I like the idea that Terminus, a lifelong low class miner, would take on the trapping of sophistication as Tarn. Honestly, I still think Roller fits better though.

Yeah, I agree and think Roller = Tarn is a case of Occam's Razor and not a Red Herring. Never do know, of course, but that'd seem to be the case.

I'm starting to think the Tarn/Roller thing is itself a red herring. Roberts is throwing a really obvious mystery at the audience, knowing that it will distract from some other, deeper mystery that isn't as apparent.

Oh, and the last time we saw Omega active was when he got blowed up real good just before Megatron's return in Robots in Disguise. Last time we saw him in any capacity, he was getting repairs under Wheeljack's guidance.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Do we know whether Nightbeat has actually met Omega Supreme or Metroplex? Both have been long absent from the Autobot forces, and only reappeared after Nightbeat's death. It's true that he likely lived inside Metroplex for a time after the Dark Cybertron arc, but I'm not sure that counts as "meeting" someone.

Very good question. I'm not sure if he expressly has, though maybe there's a scenario when they're drawn in the same scene (looking at you, Autocracy/Montrosity/Primacy series) for no good reason together. Goodness, when was the last time we even saw Omega? Chaos? And I'd agree that being in Metroplex doesn't count as meeting him for now given his state.

I do like the idea that Tarn could be Terminus. It would explain his loyalty to both Megatron and the Decepticon cause, and I like the idea that Terminus, a lifelong low class miner, would take on the trapping of sophistication as Tarn. Honestly, I still think Roller fits better though.

Yeah, I agree and think Roller = Tarn is a case of Occam's Razor and not a Red Herring. Never do know, of course, but that'd seem to be the case.

I'm starting to think the Tarn/Roller thing is itself a red herring. Roberts is throwing a really obvious mystery at the audience, knowing that it will distract from some other, deeper mystery that isn't as apparent.

Oh, and the last time we saw Omega active was when he got blowed up real good just before Megatron's return in Robots in Disguise. Last time we saw him in any capacity, he was getting repairs under Wheeljack's guidance.

Yeah, combiner wars is over, we need Omega back online. And I am still convinced Roller is way too obvious as Tarn. But I am willing to guy into the theory that Dominus was raw material and ended up as Ten

[padfoo]

Is that grass in the Autobot graveyard? Are those graves on Cybertron or another world? We need to know! [Personally, I think that it would be much more economical to recycle Autobots for their parts than to bury them uselessly, especially during wartime.]

It's just symbolic. It isn't actually in the story. more it is symbolizing the fact that we learn so much about the dead and how some peoples actions have lead them to discover an almost magical place concerning the deceased

It's actually quite touching seeing Megatron realize how many Autobots he killed.
(heart of a graveyard)
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Isnt it though? I mean, the feeling I get for Megatron is that he is secretly tired of it all, but he keeps going. With this revelation hitting him in the face...I mean abstract numbers are one thing. When you see a field of the consequences, man. That's hard-hitting. I really really really hope Hasbro lets things continue and they are allowed to keep Megatron how he is and develop him into a heroric figure. Not a good guy and not really a happy ending, but a worthy ending. Let him try to atone for what he's done. That's far mor einteresting than megalomanical megatron. Besides, they have a GREAT character in Galvatron for that and he fits that role so much better.

Agree!

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Is that grass in the Autobot graveyard? Are those graves on Cybertron or another world? We need to know! [Personally, I think that it would be much more economical to recycle Autobots for their parts than to bury them uselessly, especially during wartime.]

It's just symbolic. It isn't actually in the story. more it is symbolizing the fact that we learn so much about the dead and how some peoples actions have lead them to discover an almost magical place concerning the deceased

It's actually quite touching seeing Megatron realize how many Autobots he killed.
(heart of a graveyard)

Isnt it though? I mean, the feeling I get for Megatron is that he is secretly tired of it all, but he keeps going. With this revelation hitting him in the face...I mean abstract numbers are one thing. When you see a field of the consequences, man. That's hard-hitting. I really really really hope Hasbro lets things continue and they are allowed to keep Megatron how he is and develop him into a heroric figure. Not a good guy and not really a happy ending, but a worthy ending. Let him try to atone for what he's done. That's far mor einteresting than megalomanical megatron. Besides, they have a GREAT character in Galvatron for that and he fits that role so much better.

Agree!

It does make sence, but I like the classic concept more, but I guess that's just because I'm a Geewunner. :B

[D-Maximal_Primal]

with him being the big bad for like ever, I actually like Autobot Megatron even better than the best evil Megatron. I love this version of him! And the fact that this story is showing that he truly has changed in heart just makes it that much more powerful

[DedicatedGhostArt]

with him being the big bad for like ever, I actually like Autobot Megatron even better than the best evil Megatron. I love this version of him! And the fact that this story is showing that he truly has changed in heart just makes it that much more powerful

Agreed.

[MrBlack]

with him being the big bad for like ever, I actually like Autobot Megatron even better than the best evil Megatron. I love this version of him! And the fact that this story is showing that he truly has changed in heart just makes it that much more powerful

If nothing else, it will make him a better character if he ever does become a villain again.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

with him being the big bad for like ever, I actually like Autobot Megatron even better than the best evil Megatron. I love this version of him! And the fact that this story is showing that he truly has changed in heart just makes it that much more powerful

If nothing else, it will make him a better character if he ever does become a villain again.

Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

with him being the big bad for like ever, I actually like Autobot Megatron even better than the best evil Megatron. I love this version of him! And the fact that this story is showing that he truly has changed in heart just makes it that much more powerful

If nothing else, it will make him a better character if he ever does become a villain again.

Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.

that was a Megatron who learned from very personal and nearly tragic experience. I like how this Megatron was touched by a friend who then died, making it very personal on a friendship level for him

[DedicatedGhostArt]

with him being the big bad for like ever, I actually like Autobot Megatron even better than the best evil Megatron. I love this version of him! And the fact that this story is showing that he truly has changed in heart just makes it that much more powerful

If nothing else, it will make him a better character if he ever does become a villain again.

Yeah! I think it is a great breath of fresh air for Megatron to turn around for the better! It kinda reminds me of Megatron in the end of the Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Predacons Rising movie, when he kinda wanted to stop being a bad guy.

that was a Megatron who learned from very personal and nearly tragic experience. I like how this Megatron was touched by a friend who then died, making it very personal on a friendship level for him

I said it REMINDED me of it, not necessarily that it was the same situation, but you're right, I think it's quite touching for him to consider Bumblebee as a friend after he died.

[Crosscheck]

Another possibility for Dominus (though I like the theory of him being Ten) is that he somehow ended up in the world that Skids went to in Remain in the Light. It would explain why he can't be located. But him being Ten is interesting. Ten is an artist and master craftsman, which fits very well. It also wouldn't be the first time he has lost his vocabulary. But he seems to like Magnus as more of a boycrush. I kinda just like Ten as a Legislator that is rediscovering his Spark.

[Sagitta]

Why does it have to involve a crush? Makes it sound like IDW portraying itself as a robotic soap opera in all its titles.

If any crushes appears in "Sins of the Wreckers"...I lost all hope.

Why can't it be just Ten in child-like awe looking up to his hero? Magnus/Minimus who's simply voicing support for Ten and his rights when Ten's unable t do so himself? Would be much more plausible IMHO.