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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Judge Deliberata » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:36 pm

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CombaticonsCombine? wrote:They go to considerable effort to not show Getaway's mouthplate because of a beam that looks REALLY out of place.

Maybe, just MAYBE, Sunder does something to their faces? A tiiiiny bit similar to what Vos 2.0 does, perhaps?


You know what else you can't see? His arms. It's meant to look like they're in shadow, but I dunno...he looks very beaten up, full of cracks.

The guy's an escape artist who is responsible for a plot to kill Megatron that nearly got Tailgate and Cyclonus both killed. The notion of Cyclonus or Megatron surviving a plot against either of them and needing to keep the prisoner alive because that's the Autobot way, well...I'd say in either Megs' or Cyclonus' book, alive only needs to mean 'functional'.

Yeah, I don't think we're getting a full shot of Getaway for a very good reason; I'm betting he's been gruesomely crippled both for for his actions, and to prevent him from escaping, and he's not very pretty to look at. Sunder might not have touched him...yet.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Full Preview

Postby Va'al » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:45 am

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We have, as Newsarama breaks the seals, the full preview for next week's release from IDW Transformers - More Than Meets the Eye #49 will finally see the Light! Check out the first pages below, and head back here next week for a full review, too.

Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49
James Roberts (w) • Hayato Sakamoto (a) • Alex Milne (c)
SHUTDOWN! A vengeful god stalks the corridors of the Lost Light, murdering everyone who makes eye contact. The crew must answer two questions: Why have they been singled out for punishment? And how do you stop someone who can kill you just by thinking about it?
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The stage is set. The players are in place. The lights are dimmed. Next month: the lights die.
The most acclaimed TRANSFORMERS comic book ever closes in on another milestone!
Lies, tragedy, comedy, and cold hard truth.
Variant Cover by Alex Milne!


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IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Review

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:05 am

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SINS OF THE --wait
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Synopsis
SHUTDOWN! A vengeful god stalks the corridors of the Lost Light, murdering everyone who makes eye contact. The crew must answer two questions: Why have they been singled out for punishment? And how do you stop someone who can kill you just by thinking about it?

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..sure, that'll work


Story

We have reached the second part of the final arc before the 50th milestone, and the last chance to see what is going in some of the Lost Light's crew members' heads. Quite literally, with James Roberts' newfound torture instrument for our regular space-opera-meets-horror-meets-sitcom-meets: the Transformers god of death, Mortilus, and its vessel, the biggest mnemosurgeon around, Sunder.

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How?


With the horror side of the story (more on the other side below), Roberts actually brings us a lot closer to the initial arcs of this particular ongoing. A lot of the issue, in fact, feeds back into an older vibe for the book, also given Skids' first introduction to MTMTE as an outsider to the situation, and his clearly pivotal role in the grand scheme of things.

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Nope


The problems I had with the issue, and I find myself repeating a previous thought, are with the pacing - and with the fact that this is another conclusion that feels rushed, even actually cut short. I understand that the length of the comic can only allow so much. But still, some things feel like they're lacking a part to them, or that more could be said and told.

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Oh, and Tailgate's in it too


That is not to say that I don't realise and understand that there are, obviously other developments to be expected, especially with the preview and covers being what they are and featuring who they do. We will be seeing how a lot of what happens in here will affect the rest of the crew, of the series, and probably of the TFverse, without too many doubts on that last part, either.

Art

We've seen what Hayato Sakamoto can do in previous issues, and in his work on the TFCC and Takara Legends comics - what we get here is a shift further into the latter style, and something which feels more his, with some significant manga traits, and some definite horrorific, twisted, Junji Ito/Neon Genesis Evangelion-esque moments that add to the already present early feel of the MTMTE run streaming through this particular issue.

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Nightmares on the house


Even with the usual vibrancy of colours that Joana Lafuente brings to the palette, the choice of darker reds, blues, purples and oranges (interesting combination there...) really does add to the space horror elements this time round - though at times perhaps too bright for a ship that is supposedly in dim light to avoid eye contact.



There are oodles of lettering scattered around the book, with Sunder's voice bubbles and the multiple ...noises. And Tom B. Long has the arduous, but surely satisfying given the result, task of capturing them all, each and every time. The two main variant covers are as fitting as you would expect, with Tailgate and Thunderclash taking main stage for Alex Milne and Josh Perez, Rung staring down Sunder in the Nick Roche/Josh Burcham one - and then we have another piece of the gigantically glorious Milne/Perez puzzle in the retailer incentive variant (thumbnailed).


Thoughts
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The not entirely new, but slightly modified/shifted visuals in the book are very fitting to the overall themes present in the issue, and offer a good background to the major narrative trajectories for Tarn, Skids, and their enabling link through Sunder - though, obviously, no resolution yet. This is still Roberts we're talking about.

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Senpaaaaaai!


On that note... Much like everything else, from solicits to coverage, surrounding this issue, I have steered clear of any of the major turns taking place in the story, other than Skids' own tale, above. I'll take this last paragraph to just point out one little aspect that will lead to very interesting paths, if kept consistent, for The Dying of the Light and everything after issue #50 - Megatron's development, Tailgate's direction. Very interesting paths indeed.

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:31 am

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I felt left wanting... *sigh*

Roberts obviously has a deep horror vein in him, if he he could just play it out to the fullest it would be spectacular. But he always seems to cut it short. Obviously it's time and editing, beyond his control... but I keep wanting a better conclusion.

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:40 am

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ctrlFrequency wrote:I felt left wanting... *sigh*

Roberts obviously has a deep horror vein in him, if he he could just play it out to the fullest it would be spectacular. But he always seems to cut it short. Obviously it's time and editing, beyond his control... but I keep wanting a better conclusion.

*shakes fist at powers that be*


Pretty much yeah. I still feel the Sparkeater arc was a lot better developed than later stuff, despite the early time in the series.

This issue also had two Power Rangers moments that I'm still trying to figure out what I think of... :-?
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:52 am

I think tformers did it best with saying "we're already getting a series that's dealing this this situation and it's called Sins of the Wreckers. And it's doing it better.

There's quite a few scenes that are kind of hard to follow and while James has been good using an issue to say a lot, this issue really doesn't. It's not a bad issue but it's just...ugh it's hard to describe.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:53 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:55 am

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The sparkeater arch was far more interesting and a lot more developed. Though this latest was better than the personality ticks arc (that one could have been fantastic classic Noir Fiction, they even had the detective, Nightbeat, but.... no).
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:12 am

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Randomhero wrote:I think tformers did it best with saying "we're already getting a series that's dealing this this situation and it's called Sins of the Wreckers. And it's doing it better.

There's quite a few scenes that are kind of hard to follow and while James has been good using an issue to say a lot, this issue really doesn't. It's not a bad issue but it's just...ugh it's hard to describe.


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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:54 am

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Randomhero wrote:I think tformers did it best with saying "we're already getting a series that's dealing this this situation and it's called Sins of the Wreckers. And it's doing it better.

There's quite a few scenes that are kind of hard to follow and while James has been good using an issue to say a lot, this issue really doesn't. It's not a bad issue but it's just...ugh it's hard to describe.


Considering the theme of the entire series (the comic book formerly known as RID, MTMTE, and the minis and one shots) I don't see why only one should be allowed to be handling a horror theme, especially when it fits far better into the MTMTE flow and setting and the fact that MTMTE is ongoing, which is a far better vein to handle it because of that. A mini series doesn't have the chance to truly explore the intricacies... though unfortunately it feels neither has the ongoing.

Personally, I find Sins of the Wreckers far too rushed and lacking and ultimately boring. It would likely be a better story of there wasn’t an issue limit. But the horror mark so far has been failing to engage me in that one... where as MTMTE has been grabbing me, and then dropping me short. :-(

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Randomhero wrote:I think tformers did it best with saying "we're already getting a series that's dealing this this situation and it's called Sins of the Wreckers. And it's doing it better.

There's quite a few scenes that are kind of hard to follow and while James has been good using an issue to say a lot, this issue really doesn't. It's not a bad issue but it's just...ugh it's hard to describe.


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Hummm... interesting statement from our Va'al....

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:02 am

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Randomhero wrote:I think tformers did it best with saying "we're already getting a series that's dealing this this situation and it's called Sins of the Wreckers. And it's doing it better.

There's quite a few scenes that are kind of hard to follow and while James has been good using an issue to say a lot, this issue really doesn't. It's not a bad issue but it's just...ugh it's hard to describe.


Considering the theme of the entire series (the comic book formerly known as RID, MTMTE, and the minis and one shots) I don't see why only one should be allowed to be handling a horror theme, especially when it fits far better into the MTMTE flow and setting and the fact that MTMTE is ongoing, which is a far better vein to handle it because of that. A mini series doesn't have the chance to truly explore the intricacies... though unfortunately it feels neither has the ongoing.

Personally, I find Sins of the Wreckers far too rushed and lacking and ultimately boring. It would likely be a better story of there wasn’t an issue limit. But the horror mark so far has been failing to engage me in that one... where as MTMTE has been grabbing me, and then dropping me short. :-(


I don't see Sins as horror, but rather thriller. Yes, some aspects verge on the horror side of things, but they're messing with the psychology of the characters without necessarily falling into full horror. That's what MTMTE does, and both the Sparkeater and this two-issue arc show it really quite well.

As the title of my review mentions, though, there is quite the parallel here, I agree.

On the other hand, I disagree with the opinion on SOTW, but I can see what you mean by it!


As for my statement - what's so strange about it? It's a comics review that doesn't show the comics. What's the point in that?
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:04 am

Va'al wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I think tformers did it best with saying "we're already getting a series that's dealing this this situation and it's called Sins of the Wreckers. And it's doing it better.

There's quite a few scenes that are kind of hard to follow and while James has been good using an issue to say a lot, this issue really doesn't. It's not a bad issue but it's just...ugh it's hard to describe.


( The reviewer at TFormers can have my attention once they include images in reviews of a visual medium. )


I don't like images that are not in the preview being shown. That is spoiling something for someone. You're showing unseen content and they used to but they don't anymore and I think that's why.

You can say you're not showing crucial parts but you're still showing something that hasn't been seen.

The Megatron scene was probably the best scene is this book and in my opinion the tailgate scenes were the worst. I'm tired of Tailgate continuing to be a McGuffin. He was a mcguffin in remain in light and now he's super hero mcguffin and it's annoying.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:08 am

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Oh, I get that! And I perfectly understand why people might want to wait to read a review - which is why I stick to release date, rather that rush it and send it out before the book comes out. :D


And of course, to each their own. ;)


As for Megatron - yes. And a lot of covers now make even more sense, not to mention something from earlier on in the series, as shown here:

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:19 am

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Va'al wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
Considering the theme of the entire series (the comic book formerly known as RID, MTMTE, and the minis and one shots) I don't see why only one should be allowed to be handling a horror theme, especially when it fits far better into the MTMTE flow and setting and the fact that MTMTE is ongoing, which is a far better vein to handle it because of that. A mini series doesn't have the chance to truly explore the intricacies... though unfortunately it feels neither has the ongoing.

Personally, I find Sins of the Wreckers far too rushed and lacking and ultimately boring. It would likely be a better story of there wasn’t an issue limit. But the horror mark so far has been failing to engage me in that one... where as MTMTE has been grabbing me, and then dropping me short. :-(


I don't see Sins as horror, but rather thriller. Yes, some aspects verge on the horror side of things, but they're messing with the psychology of the characters without necessarily falling into full horror. That's what MTMTE does, and both the Sparkeater and this two-issue arc show it really quite well.

As the title of my review mentions, though, there is quite the parallel here, I agree.

On the other hand, I disagree with the opinion on SOTW, but I can see what you mean by it!


As for my statement - what's so strange about it? It's a comics review that doesn't show the comics. What's the point in that?


Okay, so, good. I thought I had missed the horror in Sins of the Wreckers considering Randomhero's statement. I tend to have the bar set higher when it comes to the label of horror. Prowl being locked up and tortured doesn't qualify as horror to me, but I can see others feeling that way. Like I said, my bar... very high.

If it were meant to be horror, it's fallen short, if it were to be a thriller, it's on par... but still feels lacking a bit (rushed, I still feel it's rushed, but I tend to like a lot more detail and time invested)


And now I'm risking derailing this with the Wreckers. So.... that aside...

What I have started wondering, considering that Roberts has managed to expertly weave in the romance side of the story1 into the ongoing plot is that maybe he's just hesitant about introducing a horror element. Maybe he's just testing the waters (though I do firmly believe he is constrained by time and the powers that be first and foremost). It could be entirely possible he's trying to gage how well us as the audience would take to the themes.



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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:20 am

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to criticize you, you're an excellent reviewer. I may not share every opinion but I do appreciate your work.

I'm just remember how bad the reviews on fullmetalhero used to be(back when they existed) and would put the most spoiled panels ever in their reviews just to put a snarky commentary on it.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:27 am

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Randomhero wrote:Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to criticize you, you're an excellent reviewer. I may not share every opinion but I do appreciate your work.


Aw shucks, thank you. :D

ctrlFrequency wrote:What I have started wondering, considering that Roberts has managed to expertly weave in the romance side of the story into the ongoing plot is that maybe he's just hesitant about introducing a horror element. Maybe he's just testing the waters (though I do firmly believe he is constrained by time and the powers that be first and foremost). It could be entirely possible he's trying to gage how well us as the audience would take to the themes.


I'd be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that the series started with horror, before moving to romance and its other elements - including socio-political commentary. So.. I dunno. Definitely maybe.

As for the review comment... just messing with you :-D Someone's gotta do it!


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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:32 am

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ctrlFrequency wrote:What I have started wondering, considering that Roberts has managed to expertly weave in the romance side of the story into the ongoing plot is that maybe he's just hesitant about introducing a horror element. Maybe he's just testing the waters (though I do firmly believe he is constrained by time and the powers that be first and foremost). It could be entirely possible he's trying to gage how well us as the audience would take to the themes.


I'd be inclined to agree if it weren't for the fact that the series started with horror, before moving to romance and its other elements - including socio-political commentary. So.. I dunno. Definitely maybe.


Don't think that didn't cross my mind... maybe a revisit to the test is better phrased.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:34 am

My statement about sins of the wreckers isn't referring to horror. It's referring to a story about uncovering memories and repercussions of those memories and the guilt that comes with. That's really what this story was about with Skids.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:37 am

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Randomhero wrote:My statement about sins of the wreckers isn't referring to horror. It's referring to a story about uncovering memories and repercussions of those memories and the guilt that comes with. That's really what this story was about with Skids.



Ooohhh... sorry my bad!

Then let's pretend I didn't misinterpret what you said... cause now I'm embarrassed :oops: (I do tend to have 'moments' a lot!)
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:53 am

ctrlFrequency wrote:
Randomhero wrote:My statement about sins of the wreckers isn't referring to horror. It's referring to a story about uncovering memories and repercussions of those memories and the guilt that comes with. That's really what this story was about with Skids.



Ooohhh... sorry my bad!

Then let's pretend I didn't misinterpret what you said... cause now I'm embarrassed :oops: (I do tend to have 'moments' a lot!)


Naaah it's all good.

That's where I was meaning to go with. I should have explained it better and apologize for that. The situation here is very similar to what's going on with prowl and Mesothulas in SOTW. A lot of stuff is being un earthed there.

And I'm just going to say this: the entire plot of that and LSTOW is get Aquitas and stop it from revealing the atrocities that were committed by the autobots...THERES AN AUTOBOT IN THIS STORY THATS A SERIAL KILLER AND CAN TURN YOU INSIDE OUT AND NO ONE WORRIES ABOUT THE TERRIBLE THINGS HE'S DONE.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:14 am

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And I'm just going to say this: the entire plot of that and LSTOW is get Aquitas and stop it from revealing the atrocities that were committed by the autobots...THERES AN AUTOBOT IN THIS STORY THATS A SERIAL KILLER AND CAN TURN YOU INSIDE OUT AND NO ONE WORRIES ABOUT THE TERRIBLE THINGS HE'S DONE.


Yeah, that's my problem too. Horrible things hapoen, and then suddenly.. "well, that's done, nice work, ooh! You look good! How's things? Nice epiphany there Megs... what's for lunch?"


I need to edit in...

Once I got to the end, it was clear this issue was about Megatron's epiphany at the end, he had to be involved in the horror of those he's starting to grow to care about to finally come to the realization that violence can not be given into, and the 'person' he is becoming has to shed violence because it is no longer part of him.

All well and good, it's a great way to handle it, someone who caused such horror in his past to be part of it on the opposite end is the perfect way to put it in perspective from a character stand pount.... however....

Megatron wasn’t part of it. Same with the personality ticks. The main 'heroes' get walked in at the very last moment and save the day, have their 'moment' and that's it. It would have been a more satisfying ending if we could have seen Megatron's part in this from the start... as in as soon as Rung made them aware, that Megatron had seen more than just the last few momemts. The impact would have felt greater, and that's where the whole things shuts down and drops the ball.

Big lead up to a convenient end, with the hero conveniently walking in last minute to save the day/learn something.
We could have had a masterpiece of horror that brought Megatron face to face with sheer maddness and depravity of the monsters that mirrored the ones he created (the DJD as one example) and it would have meant more as an ending if he had to have truly faced Froid and Sunder. There would have been impact if it had been explored.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:25 am

ctrlFrequency wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
And I'm just going to say this: the entire plot of that and LSTOW is get Aquitas and stop it from revealing the atrocities that were committed by the autobots...THERES AN AUTOBOT IN THIS STORY THATS A SERIAL KILLER AND CAN TURN YOU INSIDE OUT AND NO ONE WORRIES ABOUT THE TERRIBLE THINGS HE'S DONE.


Yeah, that's my problem too. Horrible things hapoen, and then suddenly.. "well, that's done, nice work, ooh! You look good! How's things? Nice epiphany there Megs... what's for lunch?"



Exactly. We only know 2 court cases from Aquitas, flame did a lot of illegal experimenting and Impactor killed unarmed prisoners. "Nope we gotta seal this stuff up!!!'" Sundar? Murders and forces people to forget how to transform forcing them to turn inside out. Public knowledge, no political repercussions. Yes he was on his way to G9 but he was public knowledge. I'm not knocking on SOTW. I'm saying this character -for the grand scheme of everything- should not exist.

I also cant stand him because every time I look at him I can't help but think of that waitor from Simpsons that's all smiles because he had a stroke..."YYYYYEEEEEESSSS?!?!?!"
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:33 am

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OK, so I can see exactly why Skids sealed away that memory. It was terrible and at least we now have connections from Skids to Brainstorm to Tarn. And Sunder was just horrifying with what he could do.

And now we have mini-Hulk Tailgate. Sweet to me considering I like him.

The art for this issue was so amazing and detailed. It was like nothing seen before and it captured everything dark and dangerous so well.

And Getaway: I'd like to see him live up to his name now.

And Megatron: I like this direction. to me this proves that he is changing :BOT:
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