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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:51 pm

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Mr Skram wrote:All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:53 pm

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
Mr Skram wrote:All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?
:lol:


We can only hope that The Ego accepts that (if it's destroyed) that the universe is too small to contain that much glory (God let's hope... please!)

Awe come on guys! The Rodpod is boss! :-D :BOT:


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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:01 pm

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ctrlFrequency wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
Mr Skram wrote:All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?
:lol:


We can only hope that The Ego accepts that (if it's destroyed) that the universe is too small to contain that much glory (God let's hope... please!)

Awe come on guys! The Rodpod is boss! :-D :BOT:


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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby BATTLEMASTER IIC » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:23 pm

Knowing that the DJD and Deathsaurus' army will eventually meet up with the Lost Light, I think Rung chose a bad time to give up his psychiatry, and Megatron chose a bad time to renounce violence.

Of course they have no idea 8-}
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:31 pm

IF tarn is Roller. I'm still saying Tarn is either the original Ultra Magnus or Senator Proteus
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:01 pm

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
Mr Skram wrote:All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?
:lol:


We can only hope that The Ego accepts that (if it's destroyed) that the universe is too small to contain that much glory (God let's hope... please!)

Awe come on guys! The Rodpod is boss! :-D :BOT:


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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Mr Skram » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:17 pm

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Randomhero wrote:IF tarn is Roller. I'm still saying Tarn is either the original Ultra Magnus or Senator Proteus



I covered that
Mr Skram wrote:(if Tarn is indeed Roller)
but I suppose it's still a big "if". Who knows if it will even be revealed in #50.

I was just speculating based on the similarities between Tailgate and Tarn getting their powers later in life and the similarities between Tailgate and Roller wanting to be special. It's probably nothing, but I feel like they may be drawing parallels between the two characters. There's also the Bot to Con aspect, if Tarn is Roller, and the Con to Bot Tailgate similarities. Though Tailgate's stint as a Con was rather brief it may count for something.

I don't know enough about the original Magnus to make a call there, but Proteus might be a good candidate for a possible Tarn identity. He has the similar ear cups to Tarn and was involved in wanting to brainwash all the Cons using the Decepticon Registration Act. They could have turned the shadowplay on him as revenge, turning him into Tarn.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:31 pm

Mr Skram wrote:
Randomhero wrote:IF tarn is Roller. I'm still saying Tarn is either the original Ultra Magnus or Senator Proteus



I covered that
Mr Skram wrote:(if Tarn is indeed Roller)
but I suppose it's still a big "if". Who knows if it will even be revealed in #50.

I was just speculating based on the similarities between Tailgate and Tarn getting their powers later in life and the similarities between Tailgate and Roller wanting to be special. It's probably nothing, but I feel like they may be drawing parallels between the two characters. There's also the Bot to Con aspect, if Tarn is Roller, and the Con to Bot Tailgate similarities. Though Tailgate's stint as a Con was rather brief it may count for something.

I don't know enough about the original Magnus to make a call there, but Proteus might be a good candidate for a possible Tarn identity. He has the similar ear cups to Tarn and was involved in wanting to brainwash all the Cons using the Decepticon Registration Act. They could have turned the shadowplay on him as revenge, turning him into Tarn.


I've never been sold on Roller, it's too obvious coming from Roberts.

I only think Magnus is a possibility due to never seeing the original Magnus die and the fact that tarn knew about the recall switch in the hand and someone being inside the armor when he killed the duplicate Magnus. He murdered that Magnus with extreme prejudice and that makes me wonder if he did that due to people using his former life. Slim theory.

Proteus I've said before. We never saw him die, we only saw starscream capture him and aim his gun at his head. Never saw his death. My theory is that Megatron had proteus shadow played to be the most devoted decepticon ever as a form of irony for his part in trying to destroy the decepticon movement before the war and trying to have Megatron taken out several times. In tarns flashback we did see him being rebuilt by the mneumosurgeons that joined the decepticons. Instead of death he was turned into the one thing he'd hate as the ultimate punishment.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:54 pm

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ctrlFrequency wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
ctrlFrequency wrote:
Mr Skram wrote:All of that is a side note compared to the real question this issue brought up: Was the Rod Pod 2.0 destroyed when Tailgate threw it? And if so, will the glorious machine be rebuilt a third time or will Rodimus accept the fate of his beloved face-ship?
:lol:


We can only hope that The Ego accepts that (if it's destroyed) that the universe is too small to contain that much glory (God let's hope... please!)

Awe come on guys! The Rodpod is boss! :-D :BOT:


Filthy Autobot.

Wretched con, talking smack on the pod of the rod, that which helped save Metroplex and then resolve the Slaughterhouse story :BOT:


:BANG_HEAD: it's a manifestationof his ego!

And that is why it is cool!!

Also: I still think Dominus Ambus is Tarn :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Mr Skram » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:56 am

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Randomhero wrote:
Mr Skram wrote:
Randomhero wrote:IF tarn is Roller. I'm still saying Tarn is either the original Ultra Magnus or Senator Proteus



I covered that
Mr Skram wrote:(if Tarn is indeed Roller)
but I suppose it's still a big "if". Who knows if it will even be revealed in #50.

I was just speculating based on the similarities between Tailgate and Tarn getting their powers later in life and the similarities between Tailgate and Roller wanting to be special. It's probably nothing, but I feel like they may be drawing parallels between the two characters. There's also the Bot to Con aspect, if Tarn is Roller, and the Con to Bot Tailgate similarities. Though Tailgate's stint as a Con was rather brief it may count for something.

I don't know enough about the original Magnus to make a call there, but Proteus might be a good candidate for a possible Tarn identity. He has the similar ear cups to Tarn and was involved in wanting to brainwash all the Cons using the Decepticon Registration Act. They could have turned the shadowplay on him as revenge, turning him into Tarn.


I've never been sold on Roller, it's too obvious coming from Roberts.

I only think Magnus is a possibility due to never seeing the original Magnus die and the fact that tarn knew about the recall switch in the hand and someone being inside the armor when he killed the duplicate Magnus. He murdered that Magnus with extreme prejudice and that makes me wonder if he did that due to people using his former life. Slim theory.

Proteus I've said before. We never saw him die, we only saw starscream capture him and aim his gun at his head. Never saw his death. My theory is that Megatron had proteus shadow played to be the most devoted decepticon ever as a form of irony for his part in trying to destroy the decepticon movement before the war and trying to have Megatron taken out several times. In tarns flashback we did see him being rebuilt by the mneumosurgeons that joined the decepticons. Instead of death he was turned into the one thing he'd hate as the ultimate punishment.


I can get behind that. I hadn't considered Proteus until you mentioned it earlier and my head went to about the same place that you just described.

The only thing about Magnus though, was he always a "pilot" in armor? I was under the impression the first incarnation didn't wear armor and he was simply Ultra Magnus. Meaning he wouldn't have the homing beacon in his hand yet until the next guy took over when they created the armor. I could be wrong, I did rush through the series pretty quickly.

I wonder if they intentionally gave us clues for several characters and left it open for whoever they decided to write Tarn as later.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:33 am

Mr Skram wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
Mr Skram wrote:
Randomhero wrote:IF tarn is Roller. I'm still saying Tarn is either the original Ultra Magnus or Senator Proteus



I covered that
Mr Skram wrote:(if Tarn is indeed Roller)
but I suppose it's still a big "if". Who knows if it will even be revealed in #50.

I was just speculating based on the similarities between Tailgate and Tarn getting their powers later in life and the similarities between Tailgate and Roller wanting to be special. It's probably nothing, but I feel like they may be drawing parallels between the two characters. There's also the Bot to Con aspect, if Tarn is Roller, and the Con to Bot Tailgate similarities. Though Tailgate's stint as a Con was rather brief it may count for something.

I don't know enough about the original Magnus to make a call there, but Proteus might be a good candidate for a possible Tarn identity. He has the similar ear cups to Tarn and was involved in wanting to brainwash all the Cons using the Decepticon Registration Act. They could have turned the shadowplay on him as revenge, turning him into Tarn.


I've never been sold on Roller, it's too obvious coming from Roberts.

I only think Magnus is a possibility due to never seeing the original Magnus die and the fact that tarn knew about the recall switch in the hand and someone being inside the armor when he killed the duplicate Magnus. He murdered that Magnus with extreme prejudice and that makes me wonder if he did that due to people using his former life. Slim theory.

Proteus I've said before. We never saw him die, we only saw starscream capture him and aim his gun at his head. Never saw his death. My theory is that Megatron had proteus shadow played to be the most devoted decepticon ever as a form of irony for his part in trying to destroy the decepticon movement before the war and trying to have Megatron taken out several times. In tarns flashback we did see him being rebuilt by the mneumosurgeons that joined the decepticons. Instead of death he was turned into the one thing he'd hate as the ultimate punishment.


I can get behind that. I hadn't considered Proteus until you mentioned it earlier and my head went to about the same place that you just described.

The only thing about Magnus though, was he always a "pilot" in armor? I was under the impression the first incarnation didn't wear armor and he was simply Ultra Magnus. Meaning he wouldn't have the homing beacon in his hand yet until the next guy took over when they created the armor. I could be wrong, I did rush through the series pretty quickly.

I wonder if they intentionally gave us clues for several characters and left it open for whoever they decided to write Tarn as later.


The original Magnus was just a dude. He wasn't a suit but it makes me wonder if Tarn has killed other Magnuses and found it out that way. Granted there's those things that make you not notice a guy in a suite but Tarn ripped minimus from the armor so he knew there was someone in there. That what makes me think he could be the original Magnus, or like I said he's killed a Magnus in the past and just knew someone was inside. Probably more the ladder than the former.

It's a very unlikely theory but I'm still standing on Senator Proteus is Tarn.

There's also something I noticed back in that DJD issue, blip calls Tarn a joke to his face. Is he doing that to confront the guy that's about to kill him or is that how the decepticon army really sees tarn? A joke. It'd make sense if he was proteus because that would be the biggest punch line to the best joke ever being pulled on proteus. I'm probably reading waaaay into one line but after reading that it really makes me believe tarn is not respected, he's just feared.

Also if you notice in this and the previous issue he's not called Tarn. Only commandant. He had a real name back then, this is pre DJD.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:47 am

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Also if you notice in this and the previous issue he's not called Tarn. Only commandant. He had a real name back then, this is pre DJD.

Nice catch, didn't see that. the plot thickens :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:59 pm

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Here is a Tweet from Roberts regarding Getaway and his punishment:

Original source here: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soa81d

Here I go, contradicting myself…

Actually, hopefully not. Earlier today I tweeted reasons why you don’t need me to add to what’s already on the page to decide how to feel about what you’ve just read.

But as the day’s gone on I’m getting more of a sense of the extent to which Getaway's fate is controversial and divisive. And so without undermining what I said earlier, let me present to you, from my perspective as writer, the information on the page, i.e. the information with which readers were invited to reach a view.

(Incidentally, this isn’t me wading in to course correct anybody. But now and again I toy with the idea of doing what Keiron Gillen does, and publishing online a sort of CliffsNotes to accompany an issue. The idea sounds fun but I never find the time. Anyhow, think of what follows as being something in that vein.)

So, where were we?

Ah yes.

We see Getaway suspended in a maximum-security cell, alone, in darkness.

His ‘voice box’ (represented here by his missing jaw – the information needs to be conveyed visually in this context) has been surgically removed. His arms and legs have been surgically removed. (I’m using the word ‘surgically’ deliberately; you can see that those parts of him weren’t ripped off.) He has been rendered unable to speak to passers-by. He has no cellmates. He cannot run or use his hands.

All of this has been done because Getaway is a master escapologist. Render him unable to speak or move, the logic goes, and he presents less of a threat.

In this context, the manner in which he has been suspended could be seen a considerate act, not a malicious one. The alternative is to leave him on the floor, face-up or face-down. This way, he’s looking out the window.

The lights are only off because Rodimus turned them off; and he turned them off specifically to protect Getaway from Sunder.

From Tailgate’s vantage point, Getaway is almost entirely obscured by a very deliberately positioned girder (deliberately positioned by me), and so he cannot see the modifications that have been made to his old friend. He just assumes Getaway is ignoring him, hence his anger.

This scene is intended to shock. You don’t know what’s happened to Getaway since issue 47. (His fate is hinted at by Rodimus in 48, when he says, vaguely, that Getaway has been taken care of, so it’s clear that whoever came up with the idea of detaining Getaway in this way, Rodimus is OK with it.) In this issue you find out what Rodimus, Megatron and Magnus – as ‘high command’ – did after they caught Getaway. And you find out in the context of a horror story, with a serial killer stalking an empty ship with all the lights out.

The reveal comes in two stages: stage one, we learn that Getaway is in a maximum security cell – no surprise there. That’s what happens on the Lost Light when people do bad things (honourable/controversial exceptions: Brainstorm and Megatron). Stage two – and here’s the surprise. He appears, at first blush, to have been mutilated. His limbs are missing and he seems to be displayed like some macabre prize. (We’re reminded of Overlord, a monster of a different order.) And in keeping with the horror vibe, his fate is revealed as a single beam of torchlight plays over his helpless body.

Is it disturbing? I hope so. But after the initial shock, we remember that Getaway’s skills - his propensity to escape – made him a unique threat, and so the unusual manner of his incarceration perhaps makes more sense. His captors’ actions may still be regarded as cruel and his punishment disproportionate, but there’s a logic to the unusual security measures being taken.

Consider: would your reaction to Getaway’s fate have been different if you’d learned about it by watching some Lost Lighters fix him into his suspension harness in a brightly-lit cell whilst bantering away? Maybe. Maybe not.

Also worth considering is the nature of a Cybertronian’s relationship with their body. Getaway’s limbs can be removed and reattached without pain or long-term consequence. And as for being suspended — humans would experience severe pain related to stress (emotionally and physically), but a Cybertronian wouldn’t.

As for everything else… this is where you’re invited to speculate. Would it have been kinder to remove Getaway’s spark and put it in storage? Is that even an option? Does the Lost Light have the equipment to extract and store sparks? Do Cybertronians have any concept of the passage of time when they’re in a disembodied state? If so, does that make spark extraction better or worse than bodily imprisonment? Do prisoners even have the choice to be kept as a spark, and what are the grounds for refusal? Would Getaway trust his captors to reunite him with his body? If not, would that make him opt to stay in the remains of his body?

Questions for you to answer, not me. ☺

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby ctrlFrequency » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:44 am

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Thanks for that, D-Max :) I should really follow these guys on Twitter (except I can't be bothered to ever log on to my Twitter :lol: ) It's kind of interesting to know my take on the feel of the issue was correct (you know, sometimes how you worry you read in totally the wrong vibe)
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:16 pm

Is ther really any controversy with the way getaway is being portrayed in his cell? I read it and said "yeah there's getaway. He can talk to anyone to attempt an escape and he can use his skills to escape. The the a POS. Nuff said. I knew exactly his voice and limbs were removed the moment I saw him. Dude seriously deserves worse.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #49 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:31 pm

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ctrlFrequency wrote:Thanks for that, D-Max :) I should really follow these guys on Twitter (except I can't be bothered to ever log on to my Twitter :lol: ) It's kind of interesting to know my take on the feel of the issue was correct (you know, sometimes how you worry you read in totally the wrong vibe)

Sure thing! :D The only real reason I use twitter is to follow the comics artists and writers, and you get some good stuff. Everyday right now, Roberts is giving 3 pieces of trivia for MTMTE leading up to issue 50. Neat stuff!

Randomhero wrote:Is ther really any controversy with the way getaway is being portrayed in his cell? I read it and said "yeah there's getaway. He can talk to anyone to attempt an escape and he can use his skills to escape. The the a POS. Nuff said. I knew exactly his voice and limbs were removed the moment I saw him. Dude seriously deserves worse.


I get the feeling there was enough of an outcry over his punishment that he wanted to do that, though to me and you it was obvious. The guy is a dirtbag who can and will get away (huehuehue) with lots of things, but not this time :BOT:
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